On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 01:40:56 EDT [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
In a message dated 10/22/2004 8:04:46 AM
Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:Shall we sin then that grace may abound? jt On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 08:48:33 -0600 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
th' more
law keepin' in
In a message dated 10/22/2004 3:05:49 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
You are still my brother and I still enjoy your posts (when I don't receive them as mean). Please understand that I seek understanding for both of us.
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In a message dated 10/22/2004 2:43:20 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
John -- I just know that God exchanges faith for righteousness because He has to.
Slade -- Faith was the benchmark for righteousness even BEFORE Torah. Faith was the benchmark for righteousness after Sinai
In a message dated 10/22/2004 2:37:15 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
John.. "little guy with curlly black hair who speaks Yiddish and pinches pennies???" It's time for the nastiness to cease. Cool your jets. We are all just trying to learn. There is NO REASON to get v
In a message dated 10/22/2004 12:07:42 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
David Miller wrote:
>>Jesus Christ had sin, but he was not a sinner.
>>Would you agree with this statement?
Perhaps I am being too picky. The scriptures, at least some of them, do teach that Christ was
In a message dated 10/22/2004 11:51:43 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
John wrote:
>I consider the Abrahamic covenant (to Abraham and his seed, Christ)
>to be the same as that prophecied in Jere 31:31-34.
So, then, you must believe that the New Covenant existed long before Chr
In a message dated 10/22/2004 11:45:11 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
It seems to me that if Christ is the origin of all that is good, then seeing
that Torah is good, holy, perfect, converting the soul, then it must have
originated in Christ and be an _expression_ of Christ
In a message dated 10/22/2004 8:50:20 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
of course not, jt(!)
let's think: i suspect that consciousness of sin is an original concept of the Ap Paul, spiritually, rediscovrd periodically by, e.g. MLuthr, else even we, inc Pedro, would well be mi
In a message dated 10/22/2004 8:37:35 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Hi John. I think we might be able to discuss this difference of perspective
that we have. I have a whole lot of passages in mind and could make this a
very long post, but I think we need to proceed in sm
In a message dated 10/22/2004 8:04:46 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Shall we sin then that grace may abound? jt
On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 08:48:33 -0600 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
th' more law keepin' in which thou engageth, the more consciousness of sin thou wilt ferth experi
Judy -- you do not study with an open mind. That is why you think that James and Paul and Barnabas where concerned about the thoughts and action of an unconverted (and hense, pagan) Jewish population in Jerusalem ... in total disregard for the statement in Acts 20:21 that the thousand
It was a pleasure to hear my 6 year old granddaughter praying at the dinner
table tonight, "Dear Lord, please see that George Bush wins the election."
:-) Izzy
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Judy that's so sadly true about Kerry,
the man with an opinion for everyone. (He who stands for nothing falls
for everything,) Izzy
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It is the spiritual part of us that
died the day A&E fell away in the garden because of sin. Their souls still
existed and they did not die physically until many decades later according to
the scriptures
Man's ability to dwell
with God died. Yes, God did say Adam would die the day he sinn
I know
you're not Gnostic, but Gnostic influences appear in our doctrine in various
places. Most Christians are far more Gnostic than anyone here on
TruthTalk. Surprisingly, people take "flesh and blood" as meaning "the
whole body," but they receive "spirit and soul" as two separate things.
On Sat, 23 Oct 2004 15:47:14 -0400 "Slade Henson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
writes:Gnosticism likes to separate spirit and flesh, Judy, the Bible does not.
They were flesh and blood creatures with life breathed into
them.
Judyt: I hear you Slade - I'm not gnostic. My
belief (from scripture
Gnosticism likes to separate spirit and flesh, Judy, the Bible does not.
They were flesh and blood creatures with life breathed into
them.
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Outrage? Yes! Death? No! When it comes to the latter look under George W.
Bush. Poor George, he was born with a silver missle in hislet's say
mouth for the faint of heart.
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They were primarily spirit beings with the same nature
and character at the beginning, that is, before the fall.
Still that didn't make them Gods and after the fall
they definitely were not "in His image and likeness" Jesus
OTOH was able to say "If you have seen me you have seen
the Father
Weren't Adam and Eve created in the image (likeness) of God? Doesn't mean
they were identical in every way. Izzy
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I agree that the blessings from God
are often a whole lot different that what the world looks for. Sometimes it
includes health and riches--sometimes not. Depends on what He decides
each of his children need or can handle. Sometimes the blessings take the
form of being able to soak in a
BTW, I remember reading in the Boston Globe (I think that's the local paper)
how Kerry had the city of Boston relocate a fire hydrant from the front of
their posh home on Beacon Hill because it inconvenienced his wife, who
wanted to park there. So it was moved to a location where it could
inconven
By the way...
How 'Bout Them Cards
Watch them at the World Series!!! Izzy
:-)
I agree with this David, except as noted by Slade. And I
believe everyone on the list knows why!
Jeff
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Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2004
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Thank you David,
I do not think that you misunderstood me. In fact your
comments of the past few days indicate that you have caught the message I have
been trying to convey.
David in reply to this:
Jeff Powers wrote:> I see that I cannot achieve
any understanding with those that> need i
Hey Izzy,
Are you getting any sleep? Better rest up cause Jonathan's getting out
of control :)
His interview by whoslying was plain old "malarkey" - I am convinced
George W. is a man
with a conscience. Not only that but I saw and heard him myself three
years ago right after
the 9/11 tragedy on
ï
On Sat, 23 Oct 2004 10:38:44 -0400 "Slade Henson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
writes:Someone wrote:
"He then descended into hell upon his death"
Slade responds:
When you state this, are you implying "grave" when you say "hell?" If
not, can you please tell me where I can find the concept that Yesh
> NAME: John Kerry
>
> RESIDENCE: 7 mansions, including one in Washington DC, worth
multi-millions.
>
> I served in Vietnam (four months).
>
> EXPERIENCE: Law Enforcement. In my career as a U.S. Senator, I've voted to
> cut every law enforcement, CIA, and Defense bill. I ordered the city of
> Bosto
Just a quick comment - I appreciate this thread as it is constructive
and I can learn something from it. Laura
On Sat, 23 Oct 2004 10:16:36 -0400 "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
writes: Judy wrote:
I believe that when God says "likeness" that this
is what He means and that when the scripture reads "likeness"it means
"likeness". A zircon looks like a diamond but is only a "likeness" it is
not t
"He then descended into hell upon his death"
When you state this, are you implying "grave" when you say "hell?" If not, can you
please tell me where I can find the concept that Yeshua went to hell (Gei Hinnom)
after his death?
-- slade
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Let me know if you agree with the following
premises that I hold:1. The best example of a Jewish Christian
church would be the church of Jerusalem, and there was only one church in
Jerusalem.
In fact, I would go so far that
the Jerusalem Church models church behavior. A question of doc
Jonathan wrote:
If God became sin it is obvious that sin can be
in the presence of God
God did not become sin. You seem to be overlooking what the Scriptures say
in the Philippians passage that I quoted. Christ did not consider equality
with God something to be held onto, but he emptied himself
Judy wrote:
I believe that when God says "likeness" that this is what
He means and that when the scripture reads "likeness"
it means "likeness". A zircon looks like a diamond but
is only a "likeness" it is not the real thing.
Do you then conclude that Jesus was not really a man, but that he was on
Mornin' Judy. May I point out that the two commands given to
followers of Christ are far more stringent than anything ever given under the
Mosaic law.
Judyt: Actually it's the same only we are to keep the
"Spirit" of the law in Christ rather than the letter.
Terry: We are no
In a message dated 10/22/2004 7:41:01 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
:)
l, g
On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 09:40:51 EDT [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
In a message dated 10/22/2004 4:07:49 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
then John Calvin is Pedro's daddy g
Judy Taylor wrote:
On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 22:36:45 -0400 Terry Clifton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
writes:
Slade Henson wrote: Required specifically for
salvation, or more loosely? --
slade
Terry writes: I am not certain what you mean by loosely. Certainly not for sa
Slade Henson wrote:
By answering "Certainly not for Salvation"
you clarified for me that you hold to a tighter interpretation (that
keeping Torah is not an Eternal Life issue).
However, I might suffer a bit of confusion here:
Are you saying Torah WAS only for the physic
On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 22:36:45 -0400 Terry Clifton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
writes:
Slade Henson wrote: Required specifically for salvation, or more loosely?
-- slade
Terry writes: I am not certain what you mean by loosely.
Certainly not for salvation. That has always
come by
On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 21:52:29 -0400 "Jonathan Hughes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>writes: Well
rounded? It is an absolute travesty against the gospel!
jt: Your gospel Jonathan
which has little to do with the truth of God. I wrote: God's
nature is to love and He does love us but it is mostly fr
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