Re: [TruthTalk] Stirring up the fallow ground-used to be What is a Ch ristian?

2005-01-29 Thread Charles Perry Locke
Dave, Please show me the scriptures that says one comes to faith by praying for them. I am not saying this does not or cannot happen, I just would like some references. According to Romans 10, the gospel is to be preached to bring peopel to faith. Paul prayed for the salvation of Israel, but

Re: [TruthTalk] Stirring up the fallow ground-used to be What is a Ch ristian?

2005-01-29 Thread Dave Hansen
DAVEH:   Prayer. Kevin Deegan wrote: Good question! Charles Perry Locke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Blaine, please tell us what evangelical approach would work best with Mormons, especially at the General Conference. Help us out here. Thanks, Perry -- ~

RE: [TruthTalk] Evangelism

2005-01-29 Thread Debbie Sawczak
Have been pondering this. I think there is only one story. The Word of God is, and illuminates, history--doesn't tell us all movement in time and space, but tells us ["us" advisedly--rather than "me"] its meaning and traces its purposeful continuity, and brackets it with eternity; history co

[TruthTalk] who says there's no free lunch

2005-01-29 Thread Debbie Sawczak
BTW, a neat thing happened today. I went out to lunch with two people I don't often see, and when we asked for our bill, the server said, "Someone else has already paid it." Then he showed us our bill, on the back of which another patron had written, "Have a really fine day! The Great David

RE: [TruthTalk] Truth as viewed by one of the greats

2005-01-29 Thread Debbie Sawczak
Although I share this belief (which we've talked about before), I did not recognize it as the main point of your post, despite its being underlined and appearing in the first paragraph! Thanks.   Debbie -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Satu

RE: [TruthTalk] Street Preaching

2005-01-29 Thread Kevin Deegan
And this from the crowd that gets upset because some are sure they have the TruthShieldsFamily <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:     Right, Kevin.  More of that suppression of dissention by belittling the dissenter. Izzy        One.         J Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search presents

RE: [TruthTalk] Street Preaching

2005-01-29 Thread ShieldsFamily
    From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2005 7:08 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Street Preaching   In a message dated 1/29/2005 2:45:37 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTE

RE: [TruthTalk] Street Preaching

2005-01-29 Thread ShieldsFamily
    Right, Kevin.  More of that suppression of dissention by belittling the dissenter. Izzy        One.         J

Re: [TruthTalk] Evangelism

2005-01-29 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/28/2005 12:18:27 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: As far as John goes, if he wants to question the orthodoxy of the fall, I say let him do so. Who is Adam but the old man? When Christ died, we died with him  -- and the old man died, too. The debt of the ol

RE: [TruthTalk] Stirring up the fallow ground-used to be What is a Ch ristian?

2005-01-29 Thread Kevin Deegan
Good question!Charles Perry Locke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Blaine, please tell us what evangelical approach would work best with Mormons, especially at the General Conference. Help us out here.Thanks,Perry>From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org>To: Tru

RE: [TruthTalk] Book of Mormon one of top ten

2005-01-29 Thread Kevin Deegan
It was a laborious process, and one likely to engender some errors   They are not Technicalities your eternal destiny rests here. We are talking MANY not some errors. The Bible is without error , not "as translated correctly" The BoM was translated by the GIFT & POWER of God Was he a pipsqueak that

RE: [TruthTalk] Book of Mormon one of top ten

2005-01-29 Thread Kevin Deegan
BLAINE There are many reasons, I suppose, why one may choose not to believe--desire to believe is the "grain of mustard seed" that enables one to have faith that will move mountains of doubt. You need to cultivate this desire, and let it grow.   You have mountains of doubt because the object you h

Re: [TruthTalk] Truth as viewed by one of the greats

2005-01-29 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/29/2005 7:31:43 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 'Prep' suggestions: 1. Theological Instinct by TFT (CD) 2.  Mediation of Christ by TFT (CD &print) 3.  Gospel &Mental Health by Bruce Wauchope (CD)   NB:Well 'John-boy', A&E will play a central part so, c

Re: [TruthTalk] Stirring up the fallow ground-used to be What is a Ch ristian?

2005-01-29 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/29/2005 4:52:39 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Blaine, please tell us what evangelical approach would work best with Mormons, especially at the General Conference. Help us out here. Thanks, Perry : > ) Will Blaine venture an answe

Re: [TruthTalk] Shroud of Turin older than thought

2005-01-29 Thread Kevin Deegan
BLAINE:  C'mon Lance, those are "cute" remarks, but  I see no comparison,so would you care to elaborate, or will you be content to make the assertion without having to go to the laborious process of qualifying it?   ABSURD to say the least No wonder they say it is a fable for Adults http://www.ske

Re: [TruthTalk] Street Preaching

2005-01-29 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/29/2005 2:28:56 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: A close kin to "discernment" is something called "empathy."  JD jt: I don't think so John.  Empathy and fleshly compassion are close kin.  Deliverance in the power of the Holy Spirit is close kin to real sp

Re: [TruthTalk] Street Preaching

2005-01-29 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/29/2005 2:39:31 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: JD And how do you know I left this out?    In a message dated 1/28/2005 5:11:20 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Yes, I find it very starnge If he did leave w/o notice. Since he accep

Re: [TruthTalk] Street Preaching

2005-01-29 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/29/2005 2:45:37 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It seems to me that the real test of human empathy is what we actually DO for those less fortunate than us.  (vs the talk we talk.)  God will be the judge of that, and not one of us on TT. Izzy This is your p

Re: [TruthTalk] Street Preaching

2005-01-29 Thread Terry Clifton
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 1/29/2005 2:48:30 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This is your problem  =   "it seems to me that  ..."   Empathy has much more to do with somehow knowing of the feelings of despair, hopelessness and discourag

Re: [TruthTalk] Street Preaching

2005-01-29 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/29/2005 2:48:30 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This is your problem  =   "it seems to me that  ..."   Empathy has much more to do with somehow knowing of the feelings of despair, hopelessness and discouragement in the lives of some;  "what we actual

Re: [TruthTalk] Book of Mormon one of top ten

2005-01-29 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/29/2005 3:06:59 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:   Subject: [TruthTalk] Book of Mormon one of top ten   Blaine:  Anyone want to buy a book? The Book of Mormon: Another Testament of Jesus Christ (Official Edition) by Joseph Smith (Translator) E

RE: [TruthTalk] Stirring up the fallow ground-used to be What is a Ch ristian?

2005-01-29 Thread Charles Perry Locke
Blaine, please tell us what evangelical approach would work best with Mormons, especially at the General Conference. Help us out here. Thanks, Perry From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Stirrin

Re: [TruthTalk] Street Preaching

2005-01-29 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/29/2005 3:09:47 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:   Right, Kevin.  More of that suppression of dissention by belittling the dissenter. Izzy    One.

RE: [TruthTalk] Book of Mormon one of top ten

2005-01-29 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
BLAINE: Oh yas, the usual stuff!! We have all been through this before. It always gets dragged out sooner or later in a last-ditch effort to discredit the book that is obviously of God, regardless of technicalities you point out. You should believe the verse you quoted, as it applies to wha

RE: [TruthTalk] Book of Mormon one of top ten

2005-01-29 Thread Kevin Deegan
Blaine:  Anyone want to buy a book?   "The Book of Mormon claims to be a divinely inspired record. . . . This book must be either true or false. . . . If false, it is one of the most cunning, wicked, bold, deep-laid impositions ever planned upon the world, calculated to deceive and ruin millions w

RE: [TruthTalk] Book of Mormon one of top ten

2005-01-29 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [TruthTalk] Book of Mormon one of top ten Blaine: Anyone want to buy a book? The Book of Mormon: Another Testament of Jesus Christ (Official Edition) by Joseph Smith (Translator) Edition: Paperback Price: $4.99 The book speaks for itself., August 2, 2003 Ther

RE: [TruthTalk] Street Preaching

2005-01-29 Thread ShieldsFamily
Right, Kevin.  More of that suppression of dissention by belittling the dissenter. Izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Deegan Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2005 4:53 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Street Preaching

RE: [TruthTalk] Book of Mormon one of top ten

2005-01-29 Thread ShieldsFamily
Subject: [TruthTalk] Book of Mormon one of top ten     Blaine:  Anyone want to buy a book?     The Book of Mormon: Another Testament of Jesus Christ (Official Edition) by Joseph Smith (Translator) Edition: Paperback  Price: $4.99      The book speaks for itself., August 2, 2003

RE: [TruthTalk] Street Preaching

2005-01-29 Thread Kevin Deegan
No it is more than that you have an opinion it goes all the way to you resist others opinions Not that that is Bad When the opion stinks I say RESIST it!ShieldsFamily <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: In a message dated 1/29/2005 1:59:57 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It seems

[TruthTalk] Book of Mormon one of top ten

2005-01-29 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Blaine: Anyone want to buy a book? The Book of Mormon: Another Testament of Jesus Christ (Official Edition) by Joseph Smith (Translator) Edition: Paperback Price: $4.99 The book speaks for itself., August 2, 2003 There have been over 440,000 copies sold through amazon.com. The Book of

Re: [TruthTalk] Street Preaching

2005-01-29 Thread Terry Clifton
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is your problem  =   "it seems to me that  ..."   Empathy has much more to do with somehow knowing of the feelings of despair, hopelessness and discouragement in the lives of some;  "what we actually do"  is something called BENEVOLENCE.  

RE: [TruthTalk] Street Preaching

2005-01-29 Thread ShieldsFamily
In a message dated 1/29/2005 1:59:57 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It seems to me that the real test of human empathy is what we actually DO for those less fortunate than us.  (vs the talk we talk.)  God will be the judge of that, and not one of us on TT. Izzy This i

Re: [TruthTalk] Street Preaching

2005-01-29 Thread Kevin Deegan
JD And how do you know I left this out?       In a message dated 1/28/2005 5:11:20 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:Yes, I find it very starnge  If he did leave w/o notice.Since he accepted the responsibility of moderating.He should have notified David.Only takes a second.YOU STOP

Re: [TruthTalk] Smithsonian in uproar over intelligent-design article FYI

2005-01-29 Thread Kevin Deegan
Would not say does not prove anything It provides examples that are unanswerable by evolution.Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Indeed! Intelligent design as an argument is unintelligent.It's interesting. IT PROVES NOTHING. - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: truthtalk@mai

Re: [TruthTalk] Street Preaching

2005-01-29 Thread Terry Clifton
Lance Muir wrote: What has David done to 'tweak' me? Nothing. It is simply who I find him to be on this 'chat' room. Who might that be? Bragadocious, ostentatious and far too wordy. === You might want to reexamine your findings. 

Re: [TruthTalk] Street Preaching

2005-01-29 Thread Judy Taylor
    On Sat, 29 Jan 2005 16:51:30 EST [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: A close kin to "discernment" is something called "empathy."  JD  jt: I don't think so John.  Empathy and fleshly compassion are close kin.  Deliverance in the power of the Holy Spirit is close kin to real spiritual discer

RE: [TruthTalk] Sources of Truth

2005-01-29 Thread ShieldsFamily
’d describe it as a room full of backbiters—certainly not kind friends. I wouldn’t attend a party like this. Izzy You attend one everyday and have more to say negatively than any one on the forum, if you consider ratio analysis comparing number of words written to number of negatives pri

Re: [TruthTalk] Street Preaching

2005-01-29 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/29/2005 1:59:57 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It seems to me that the real test of human empathy is what we actually DO for those less fortunate than us.  (vs the talk we talk.)  God will be the judge of that, and not one of us on TT. Izzy This is your

RE: [TruthTalk] Stirring up the fallow ground-used to be What is a Ch ristian?

2005-01-29 Thread Kevin Deegan
So you were ther last year did you personally see any actions that you care to discuss?   My offer to meet with you still stands. I take your non reply to mean NO THANKS. Though I would prefer that you would have enough gumption to say so. Maybe I am presuming and you did not see the previous offer

RE: [TruthTalk] Street Preaching

2005-01-29 Thread Kevin Deegan
BULLseye! Izzy Hit the nail on the head. Exactly my point.   The real exciting part is, Talking about others that have left the forum, it's just my cup O tea!ShieldsFamily <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin DeeganSent: Saturd

Re: [TruthTalk] Shroud of Turin older than thought

2005-01-29 Thread Kevin Deegan
BLAINE SAYS afterwards it turns out to be true after all, we often feel compelled to stay with our earlier condemnation,  just for ego's sake.   Who is this "we" ? Speak for yourself."[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: BLAINE The point is that when we knock something prematurely, but af

Re: [TruthTalk] Sources of Truth

2005-01-29 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/29/2005 9:16:36 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Iâd describe it as a room full of backbitersâcertainly not kind friends. I wouldnât attend a party like this. Izzy You attend one everyday and have more to say negatively than any one on the forum, if yo

RE: [TruthTalk] Shroud of Turin older than thought

2005-01-29 Thread Kevin Deegan
I recently examined the finds at the Oriental Institute in Chicago I viewed a number of artifacts that collaborate the stories of the Assyrian people as spoken of in the Holy Bible.   I even saw artifacts that proved the existance of a number of Kings of that nation and of the nation of Israel, who

RE: [TruthTalk] Street Preaching

2005-01-29 Thread ShieldsFamily
  In a message dated 1/29/2005 10:52:56 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: A close kin to "discernment" is something called "empathy."  JD   jt: I don't think so John.  Empathy and fleshly compassion are close kin.  Deliverance in the power of the Holy Spirit is clos

Re: Fw: Re: [TruthTalk] Street Preaching

2005-01-29 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/29/2005 10:51:24 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: there's an absolute difference betw 'accomodating' ppl (sinners) and 'accomodating' sin, So many legalist cultists miss this point as to render it profound.  JD

Re: [TruthTalk] Street Preaching

2005-01-29 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/29/2005 10:52:56 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: A close kin to "discernment" is something called "empathy."  JD   jt: I don't think so John.  Empathy and fleshly compassion are close kin.  Deliverance in the power of the Holy Spirit is close kin to real

RE: [TruthTalk] Smithsonian in uproar over intelligent-design article FYI

2005-01-29 Thread ShieldsFamily
So what’s your belief regarding Creation, Lance?   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2005 2:21 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Smithsonian in uproar over intelligent-design article FYI

RE: [TruthTalk] Street Preaching

2005-01-29 Thread ShieldsFamily
I thought we were going to stop criticizing people and start discussing issues instead.  I guess I was wrong.  BTW, if you knew David M personally you would know that he is actually confidently unashamed of his beliefs (which infuriates some), quiet, gentle and humble.  It’s amazing how wro

Re: [TruthTalk] Street Preaching

2005-01-29 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/29/2005 1:13:31 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You left the most important part out MT 5:16 Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven. And how do you know I left this out?   It sh

Re: [TruthTalk] Shroud of Turin older than thought

2005-01-29 Thread Kevin Deegan
Nope it is full of Mormon Doctrine. Glen Larson (creator and producer of Galactica) is a Mormon Check the link below for some of the LDS doctrine in the shows.   What Scientology do you see in the show?"Gregory A. Hession J.D." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I believe that it came out of Scientology,

Re: [TruthTalk] Street Preaching

2005-01-29 Thread Kevin Deegan
That explains it, Lance is from CanuckastanJudy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I only retired once Lance but reconsidered - How could I deprive G of the joy of holding my feet to the fire?  As for being a fan of his, all I can say is - you must enjoy certain types of poetry.  The meanings I

Re: [TruthTalk] Street Preaching

2005-01-29 Thread Kevin Deegan
You left the most important part out MT 5:16 Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 1/28/2005 5:11:20 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Yes, I find it very star

[TruthTalk] Street Preaching

2005-01-29 Thread Judy Taylor
jt: He goes the extra mile in trying to make himself understood - which you apparently interpret as "too wordy" I don't see "ostentatious" how? Bragadocious - possibly his proclamation of God's truth in his own life which you interpret as him bragging on himself. Note: How does one chat in a

Re: [TruthTalk] Fundies on TT find ally in Jonathan Kirsch

2005-01-29 Thread Judy Taylor
  jt: Then you obviously have not understood anything Linda, David, or I have said so far Lance which is not all that surprising.  The one thing all three of us have in common and do agree on wholeheartedly is the authority of God's Word whereas I seriously doubt that this man has read it a

Re: [TruthTalk] Smithsonian in uproar over intelligent-design article FYI

2005-01-29 Thread Lance Muir
Indeed! Intelligent design as an argument is unintelligent.It's interesting. IT PROVES NOTHING. - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: truthtalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: January 29, 2005 15:10 Subject: [TruthTalk] Smithsonian in uproar over intelligent-desig

Re: [TruthTalk] Street Preaching

2005-01-29 Thread Lance Muir
What has David done to 'tweak' me? Nothing. It is simply who I find him to be on this 'chat' room. Who might that be? Bragadocious, ostentatious and far too wordy. - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.or

Re: [TruthTalk] Fundies on TT find ally in Jonathan Kirsch

2005-01-29 Thread Lance Muir
What fascinates me? He sounds like you, Linda and, David. - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: January 29, 2005 14:16 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fundies on TT find ally in Jonathan Kirs

[TruthTalk] Smithsonian in uproar over intelligent-design article FYI

2005-01-29 Thread Judy Taylor
Looks like the 'fundies' have invaded the Smithsonian also ... and the prevailing liberalism is 'threatened'  What is going on here?     This is a WorldNetDaily printer-friendly version of the article whichfollows. To view this item online, visithttp://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?A

Re: [TruthTalk] Street Preaching

2005-01-29 Thread Judy Taylor
    On Sat, 29 Jan 2005 13:47:50 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Indeed, you may.   Misplaced? Certainly not. A much better moderater than David (not caught up in 'fundy' legalisms)   jt: What?  With only 613 Midrashes to keep up with and all the feasts.  What you

Re: [TruthTalk] Fundies on TT find ally in Jonathan Kirsch

2005-01-29 Thread Judy Taylor
jt: Lance this Jonathan man is a pagan himself so has no frame of reference by which to judge what he professes to be the thesis of his book.  How does one evaluate something one is ignorant about?  He obviously does not know God, nor does he understand what God is about. What fascinates you

Re: [TruthTalk] Street Preaching

2005-01-29 Thread Lance Muir
Indeed, you may.   Misplaced? Certainly not. A much better moderater than David (not caught up in 'fundy' legalisms)   Too much on his plate? Maybe.   Inside knowledge? No. I can 'read' people.   Up front? He was as up front as you can get.   Let David 'take his bat and ball' and go home if h

Fw: Re: [TruthTalk] Street Preaching

2005-01-29 Thread ttxpress
ï   ..accommodation, below, is in the contextual backdrop of JCs orthodoxy..e.g., his accomodation of Judas (the will of the Father) relates perhaps abstractly to the Spirit of his preaching in Matt 23--there's an absolute difference betw 'accomodating' ppl (sinners) and 'accomodating' sin,

Re: [TruthTalk] Street Preaching

2005-01-29 Thread Judy Taylor
    jt: Might I respectfully disagree with both of you? [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Does anyone other than me NOT find it strange that Slade 'exited stage left' without contacting David?   jt: If he is in fact gone then yes, I find it strange. There is a right way to do things fo

Re: [TruthTalk] Street Preaching

2005-01-29 Thread ttxpress
myth (you let JC sit on your lap and meow)   On Sat, 29 Jan 2005 11:12:39 -0600 "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: It’s all about silencing dissenting voices.

Re: [TruthTalk] Shroud of Turin older than thought

2005-01-29 Thread Lance Muir
Sadly, no 'keyboards' involved here. I actually did the necessary research. You may have noticed an earlier reference to a tape (still in my possession) of a supposed 'revelation' by the then 'prophet'. I've been WAY down this road! That said, the comparison stands. If you believe the Mormon 'take

Re: [TruthTalk] Shroud of Turin older than thought

2005-01-29 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
BLAINE: C'mon Lance, those are "cute" remarks, but I see no comparison, so would you care to elaborate, or will you be content to make the assertion without having to go to the laborious process of qualifying it? If the latter, then I can safely assume you really had nothing specific in mind,

RE: [TruthTalk] Stirring up the fallow ground-used to be What is a Ch ristian?

2005-01-29 Thread ShieldsFamily
Sorry, Blaine, but I must take responsibility for the waving around of mormon undies, as I believe the SP’s would never have know you wear them except for my telling them. (Some secrets are just too good to keep!) Izzy   -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PR

RE: [TruthTalk] Shroud of Turin older than thought

2005-01-29 Thread ShieldsFamily
ROFL! Or how about “My Lies” by Bill Clinton? Iz   -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2005 11:04 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Shroud of Turin older than thought  

RE: [TruthTalk] Shroud of Turin older than thought

2005-01-29 Thread ShieldsFamily
BLAINE: It tells us that history may repeat itself,   Wow—what a piece of news. We need the BoM for that??? Iz

RE: [TruthTalk] Shroud of Turin older than thought

2005-01-29 Thread ShieldsFamily
Maybe Golob in Lord of the Rings???   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gregory A. Hession J.D. Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2005 10:28 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Shroud of Turin older than thought   I believe that

RE: [TruthTalk] Street Preaching

2005-01-29 Thread ShieldsFamily
    Actually 'the david' is capable of cacophony on his own. (meaning:discord & dissonance exist within him).   It’s music to my ears.  One man’s trash is another man’s treasure. Iz      

RE: [TruthTalk] Street Preaching

2005-01-29 Thread ShieldsFamily
    From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2005 9:35 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Street Preaching   The rest of the 'triad' may denounce me but I ACTUALLY AM HAPPY TO BE PRESENT AT

RE: [TruthTalk] Stirring up the fallow ground-used to be What is a Ch ristian?

2005-01-29 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
BLAINE: I understand what you are saying, and sorry I seem to be complaining too much--but actually, Kevin, I feel you people do yourselves more harm than good by showing your true colors when you wave the undies around. Maybe I am crying for your sakes, since it doesn't seem to have harmed

RE: [TruthTalk] Street Preaching

2005-01-29 Thread ShieldsFamily
    From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Judy Taylor Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2005 8:49 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Street Preaching   Hold up Lance! This is Judy now only semi retir

RE: [TruthTalk] Sources of Truth

2005-01-29 Thread ShieldsFamily
That would make you a false prophet, in my book.  But, again, what does either opinion have to do with the discussion at hand.   NOTHING.   Yet you call this a "disscussion group" and nothing more.  Why you insist on this kind of childishness is beyond me.    I’d describe it as a room ful

RE: [TruthTalk] Street Preaching

2005-01-29 Thread ShieldsFamily
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Deegan Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2005 7:57 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Street Preaching   She didn't need to stand up for the Word of God.   In fact, I would characterize her

Re: [TruthTalk] Shroud of Turin older than thought

2005-01-29 Thread Lance Muir
I think it could be read along with 'Cat in the Hat' & "James & the Giant Peach' except these two more accurately reflect reality. - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: January 29, 2005 12:02 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Shroud of Turin older than thought > > BLAINE Th

Re: [TruthTalk] Shroud of Turin older than thought

2005-01-29 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
BLAINE The point is that when we knock something prematurely, but afterwards it turns out to be true after all, we often feel compelled to stay with our earlier condemnation, just for ego's sake. And speaking of faith, I have faith that the Book of Mormon will eventually prove beyond reasonab

[TruthTalk] Fundies on TT find ally in Jonathan Kirsch

2005-01-29 Thread Lance Muir
Check out the reviews on 'God Against the Gods - The history of the war between Monotheism and Polytheism''   I believe that I hear echoes of Kirsch in David, Linda & Judy.

Re: [TruthTalk] STREET PREACHING

2005-01-29 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hey Ruben, so you are back--I was wondering if maybe you hadn't just taken a vacation. Looks like you have been oput doin' your thing. Blaine click to site below and you will see the video clips of different preach events, you will be watching the “coast to coast” video tape on my web site

RE: [TruthTalk] Shroud of Turin older than thought

2005-01-29 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
BLAINE: The main difference between the Battlestar Galactica series and the BoM is that the former admits to be fiction, while the Book of Mormon is a record of what really happened to a once great people. It tells us that history may repeat itself, and indeed seems to be doing exactly that,

Re: [TruthTalk] Shroud of Turin older than thought

2005-01-29 Thread Gregory A. Hession J.D.
I believe that it came out of Scientology, not LDS.       Gregory A. Hession J.D.[EMAIL PROTECTED]Springfield, Mass. - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2005 8:49 AM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Shro

Re: [TruthTalk] Street Preaching

2005-01-29 Thread Lance Muir
ï Coterie-An exclusive group of people with a common purpose Cacophony-Discordant or dissonant sound   The latter applies to the sounds issuing from TT in recent weeks. Actually 'the david' is capable of cacophony on his own. (meaning:discord & dissonance exist within him). - Original

Re: [TruthTalk] Street Preaching

2005-01-29 Thread Judy Taylor
ï I only retired once Lance but reconsidered - How could I deprive G of the joy of holding my feet to the fire?  As for being a fan of his, all I can say is - you must enjoy certain types of poetry.  The meanings I posted come from Websters New World Dictionary; are you sure you are using the

Re: [TruthTalk] Truth As Viewed by One of the Greats

2005-01-29 Thread Judy Taylor
  Good Morning Bill: I have no problem with the fact that Jesus will always be the lamb of God, firstborn from the dead, and the ONLY begotten Son of the Father; neither do I dispute that he is ever called the son of the Father following the resurrection. Possibly I should have phrased the o

Re: [TruthTalk] Street Preaching

2005-01-29 Thread Lance Muir
ï The rest of the 'triad' may denounce me but I ACTUALLY AM HAPPY TO BE PRESENT AT YOUR THIRD (?) COMING.   The 'G' man isn't for everyone. I'm a fan while you may prefer the 'fundy' triad (David, Linda, Judy).   PS-check your definitions for synonymous meanings. - Original Message

Re: [TruthTalk] Truth as viewed by one of the greats

2005-01-29 Thread Lance Muir
'Prep' suggestions: 1. Theological Instinct by TFT (CD) 2.  Mediation of Christ by TFT (CD & print) 3.  Gospel & Mental Health by Bruce Wauchope (CD)   NB:Well 'John-boy', A&E will play a central part so, come prepared to raise your creative thesis vis a vis A&E.   Terminological 'brushing u

Re: [TruthTalk] Truth As Viewed by One of the Greats

2005-01-29 Thread Bill Taylor
Greetings Judy,   Please refer to the portion of your quote which I underlined: "[Jesus] wasn't a son before the incarnation and he hasn't been that since the resurrection."  That is the portion I surmised you may want to take back if given the grace to do so. I went ahead and emphasized a

Re: [TruthTalk] Street Preaching

2005-01-29 Thread Judy Taylor
ï Hold up Lance!This is Judy now only semi retired :) I know you are glad to see my return :)   [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:TO DAVID MILLER:If you wish to understand 'spiritual discernment' then, read this post by 'the 'G' man'. The majority of his posts warrant serious consideration.   jt: What

[TruthTalk] Truth As Viewed by One of the Greats

2005-01-29 Thread Judy Taylor
  Bill TaylorFri, 28 Jan 2005 08:56:44 -0800 A hardy AMEN on this one, John. I am confident that others will read this and agree.   As it pertains to Judy's statement, "[Jesus] wasn't a son before the incarnation and he hasn't been that sin

Re: [TruthTalk] Truth as viewed by one of the greats

2005-01-29 Thread Bill Taylor
Do you have any ideee  how much material I have to review before going?   Sure glad I have a CD player in my truck! E h. Smithson  --  out !!       Not really. Maybe Lance would have some suggestions. He has a better idea than myself what the format is going to be. Hey Lance, a

Re: [TruthTalk] Truth as viewed by one of the greats

2005-01-29 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/29/2005 6:11:20 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: John wrote  > None of us stand above the "forest."     Well said, John. No doubt about it, in this age of enlightenment that is a difficult truth to learn. Thank you, sir.   I am off to work.  Got to sa

Re: [TruthTalk] Street Preaching

2005-01-29 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/28/2005 5:11:20 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Yes, I find it very starnge   If he did leave w/o notice. Since he accepted the responsibility of moderating. He should have notified David. Only takes a second. That responsibility, in the ultimate se

Re: [TruthTalk] Truth as viewed by one of the greats

2005-01-29 Thread Bill Taylor
John wrote  >  None of us stand above the "forest."        Well said, John. No doubt about it, in this age of enlightenment that is a difficult truth to learn. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Saturday, January 29,

Re: [TruthTalk] Sources of Truth

2005-01-29 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/28/2005 5:10:43 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: We have a difference of opinion here.  I consider this teaching to be a doctrine of demons.  I do not say this to evoke an emotional outburst from you or anyone else.  I speak this soberly and prophetically

Re: [TruthTalk] Street Preaching

2005-01-29 Thread Kevin Deegan
She didn't need to stand up for the Word of God.   In fact, I would characterize her "[stand]  ...  for the Word" very differently.    She stood up for her interpretation of the Word of God.   And it was the most unusual set of conclusions as I have seen in years  --   nest to yours, of course.   

Re: [TruthTalk] Truth as viewed by one of the greats

2005-01-29 Thread Knpraise
Debbie: Better said than my post, I think. Another way of looking at is this:   In the "forrest and the tree" illustration -  it is the forest that is "truth" not the tree.   the question is not "is this a tree."   We CAN figure that out for ourselves with a high degree of certainty.   The ques

RE: [TruthTalk] Shroud of Turin older than thought

2005-01-29 Thread Kevin Deegan
It was the Battlestar Galatica that was based on LDS doctrine. I all goes back to Kobol or is it Kolob? http://www.michaellorenzen.com/galactica.htmlShieldsFamily <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:     -Original Message- BLAINE:  Even when we are "sure" of something, it may turn out to be wr

Re: [TruthTalk] Evangelism

2005-01-29 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/28/2005 5:10:56 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm interested in what you and others think about the fall of man being orthodox doctrine or pop theology. No one on this forum, except you, allows for the doctrine of the "fall of man" to be "pop theology." 

RE: [TruthTalk] Stirring up the fallow ground-used to be What is a Ch ristian?

2005-01-29 Thread Kevin Deegan
Just tired of the WAH they hold upWAH our sacredWAH garments WAH Instead of being a victim tell us why."[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: BLAINE: I would not ask for religious help, neither have I asked for such help from sources outside my own beloved stake and ward leaders. Well, some

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