Ok, you don't have to define sin. Is this another little Mormon secret I am about to find out about from somewhere else?
AGAIN, you would have to define what you mean by sin.
DAVEH: Why should I be the one who needs to define it? I was not the one who used it. Shouldn't the onus of definition be
You stick with Miss Manners, I will stick with 1 Cor. 4:21. :-)
I am praying that Miss Manners will become a regular correspondent here! Meanwhile, I will continue to heckle the mormons,
DAVEH: Hmm..is that an oxymoron, Izzy?!?!?!?! VBG
and Glenn. J
Izzy
What in the world? You are now talking like B. NOW I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU TOO DAVEL, MY FRIEND. The below reminds me that I don't remember you ever telling Blainer that Mormons are divided. Maybe you did but I don't remember.
QUESTION: IS MORMONISM DIVIDED? This is not a trick question, but
You seem to be conveniently forgetting that the Jesus you worship according to your prez/ceo is a different Jesus. So, for you to state the below, I find surprising. THE REASON I don't know if you are a Christian or not is because I'm not sure about the Jesus you worship. If you worship a false
I didn't know that. Wow! That is like changing the black men can't be priests rule in Mormonism. Is the present day Mormonism anything like the Joe Smith Mormonism?
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and the concept of the Trinity was
Are you sure Mormons believe in Polytheism? I not doubting you, but it seems DaveL has never admitted it. Or maybe he has admitted it, but he is too smart for me to follow him.
In a message dated 12/10/2002 2:47:37 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
It is only a paradox until
I don't consider it a sin, unless you condemn those who do send out cards. I don't send out cards either as it got to the point my wife and I had to send out 5,000.
Glenn, I don’t DO Christmas cards. Is this a sin??? Izzy
Laura sent this to me. I think she was afraid to send it to TT. Maybe this is why Marlin, King Herod, and the Jehovah Witnesses are against Christmas.
LOL
I think Santa Claus is a woman
I hate to be the one to defy sacred myth, but I believe he's a she.
Think about it. Christmas is a big,
The Jesus you worship is the full brother of Satan right? This is the suspect.
Jesus arose from the dead physically. Since Jesus is God, I think he can have anything He wants. I don't think He is limited to ONLY flesh and bones. He can have flesh and bones one second and be a spirit the next. I
After reading again, your definition seemed vague to me. I don't understand it. Sorry. AND WHERE is my Christmas card? I used to get them with a picture of your family. I am anxious every day I go to the mail box wondering if I am going to get one. It has become an obsession with me. :-)
.
Ok,
I would like to know the motive too? Perry and DaveL?
PS. Be nice to DaveL or he won't send you a Christmas card. ;-)
BTW, it is an intersting exercise to look for a motive for making such a
change, especially when the prophet himself used to teach traditional
Trinitarianism.
Perry
Please do so.
If anyone wants me
to post the article about "The Moon Hoax" say so and I will.
Hey, David. You can't just use the word Christian to suit your fancy. As we have discussed with Strongs Concordance. This leads to confusion much like the Mormons misuse words. The word Christian means belonging to Christ. Christ...ian = belonging too. A divinely called name according to the
I know you do, but I don't limit God. My amazement is...you attack me with blasphemy and let Judiazers and Mormans away with nonsense. I believe in a literal physical resurrection of Jesus. I don't limit Him. God can do anything.
Here's the deity of Christ
>From everlasting to everlasting Mic.
I have an opinion about DaveH, but I am not God. I'll leave his final judgment up to God. Maybe DaveH or DaveL as I call him on TT believes in the Biblical Jesus and maybe he believes in the Mormon Jesus. I'm not God.
I believe if DaveL is a Christian he is saved and on his way to heaven. That's
When a Jew is saved he becomes a Christian. This doesn't mean he is no longer a Jew by physical birth. BUT IT DOES MEAN, THE JEW CANNOT GO BACK TO THE LAW FOR RIGHTEOUSNESS AND RIGHT STANDING WITH GOD. If he does, he becomes a Judiazer.
If the Jew by physical birth is born again by the second
When all of these people are saved they become Christians, whether they are former Muslims or whatever they formerly were. They are now a new creature; a new person. They belong to Christ. That's what the word means; "ian" belonging to Christ.
Jesus Christ saves
people, and in my experience, he
Izzy, why are you so strong (I'm not saying you are wrong or right.) in your statements that Mormons cannot be Christians?
PS. Marlin is not a Jew. Marlin is a Judiazer.
If the mormons qualify as Christians, then I resign! Izzy (NOW what do I
call myself? I guess I'll be a Hebrew like Marlin.
Sincerity is not enough. Sincerely will not get you to heaven. The people who took down the World Trade Centers were sincere. Sincerely is not enough.
I don't insult Marlin. The Bible insults Marlin. That is if you want to use the word "insult". Actually the word is not "insult" but "judge". The
Everyone knows more than I do, but no one knows more than Gal. 5:4.
You can call him a Judiaizer if you wish; but I don’t dare to insult folks who are sincerely following scripture to the best of their understanding. They just might know more than I do. Unlike you, I don’t know everything yet. J
Blainer - My friend, you flatter yourself. As far as I am concerned, compared to Christianity and the world religions, there are almost no Mormons in the world. I don't see Mormonism as a threat to much of anthing except dumb people.
I am not anti-Mormon per se. I'm against all false religions
I'm dreaming of a white Christmas. Just like the ones I used to know. :-)
By faith I am believing our church will win at least 200 people to Christ with the secular play, "Scrooge". Praise the Lord for a soul-winning Christmas.
You know there is something wrong with someone who claims to be a
I liken the Godhead to water. Water has 3 forms but it is still one. (H2O).
1. Liquid 2. Steam 3. Ice
Three in one.
I like the Godhead to an apple.
1. Skin 2. Meat 3. Core
I liken this to a choir, which sings as one, yet
is made up of individuals.
The below would mean, Christians. Since we are greatly under the influence of Satan for following the Bible only. Here we go again, using this anti-Christian anti-Bible doctrine against Christians. But when you get caught in it as DavidM caught you, you deny it with spin.
I like you DaveL, but I
Red flag. He has to use Mormon wisdom here. Truth is I was told by some Mormons that it is a sin to read material like this.
We
can't discuss it if you don't read it.
DAVEH: Sure we can. If you have a question, just ask. I may or may not know the answer, but will answer to the best of my
Did you ever answer my question? Why do you want to know what Christians believe?
As I said before, my current interests involve learning what you (and other Protestants) believe instead of defending what I believe.
Switch-a-rue. DavidM has told you what he believes about this.
DAVEH: Ahhh.In that case, I would be very interested in knowing if you believe our Heavenly Father currently has a body of flesh and bones?
Yes. Here is your problem. :-) I put a smilie so you can swallow it a little easier. You read the Bible with your mind made up before you read it. Herein lies your brainwashed mind. Here is the proof: "When I see Biblical passages that support my belief..." You put Mormon "revelation" above the
It is only important to make Mormons. It is not important to being a Christian.
DAVEH: I explained that relative to the pre-mortal existence. I understand you don't believe it. In fact, you said something to the effect that you really don't care about any pre-mortal existence, if I remember
To be honest with you, I think the Southern Baptist are as close to the Bible as anyone. Just mark me up as a Christian though personally. There is no salvation is the Baptist Church or the different Mormon churches. There is ONLY salvation in Jesus. When one is saved he is automatically added to
Heard it from boy Mormon Missionaries. I have seen the same philosophy here on TT. It all fits together.
Red flag. He has to use Mormon wisdom here. Truth is I was told by some Mormons that it is a sin to read material like this.
DAVEH: Not by me. I've heard some in the Church recommend against
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Blainer) I do not refuse to read it. I just refuse to read it on
someone else's terms. If I happen across it and I feel unpressured, I
may pick it up and read it. I do this frequently. Besides, as DaveH
Blainer - How in the world could you call into question anyone's objectivity when you say Mormonism is not divided. This is utter nonsense. DavidM has given you far too much benefit of the doubt. There is no doubt on my end. You have no credibility because you claim Mormonism is not divided. A
Sure you don't refuse to read it. I believe you Blainer. I believe you. And black and white is not really black and white. Mormons are not divided at somewhere around 136 times. Sure, I believe you Blainer. Sure I do.
Blainer) I do not refuse to read it. I just refuse to read it on
someone else's
Three points I have made over and over.
1. Marlin is not a Jew
2. Marlin is free to skip Christmas and the many soul winning opportunities that go along with it if he so chooses. My guess is Marlin is not a soul winner period.
3. Marlin is NOT free to JUDGE/CONDMEN Christians who do use the
This Jesus you are talking about below is not the Jesus of the Bible; not the Jesus I believe in.
Michael D: Dave H, and Glenn, on a point of interest ... If someone said he believed in Jesus who was born of a virgin, died and resurrected, but was fathered by a super-evolved ape, and is/was
Izzy, you've been taking too many Saturdays off. To compare me with a Mormon makes me think you need to go to work. :-)
I will continue to heckle the mormons, and Glenn. J
Izzy
Blainer - You are no DaveL. What's with this "I respectfully disagree" stuff?
It's a little late for that don't you think. :-)
By the way, I have received only one Christmas card from TT members. And that man enclosed a picture bragging on how beautiful his family is. :-) Now, I ask you, is that
DaveL - How do you define sin?
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Heard it from boy Mormon Missionaries.
DAVEH: Really.! And they specifically used the term "sin" when they were discussing it with you??? I suppose their mission leader could have asked them not to read anti literature. Disobeying that
Hebrews 6:1-8. But maybe it is an error passage. LOL I'm sure it is if the Bible goes against Mormonism. Even Jesus is in error about fire in hell. LOL
Blainer) I respectfully disagree with your conclusion that God ever
gives up on anyone. I would even include Satan and his host in that
statement
Darlene, this is an open forum. Anyone can say what they like on TT, even if it makes them look stupid. DavidM, can you help Darlene, understand TT.
Joe Smith was a man who had sex with little girls and other men's wives. But much worse, he claimed God told him to do it. This is blasphemy.
Blainer, if you live by the OT law, Mormons must meet on Saturday, not Sunday. Do you think, "every word of God" means observe the OT Sabbath?
Zechariah 14 I thought was referring to the final, joyful regathering and restoration of Israel. What do you think?
Blainer) Hang in there Glenn, but
This is where you don't understand Christians. All Christians preach the same gospel. The gospel is the death, buriel, and resurrection of Jesus Christ. This is where we all agree.
The problem is, with almost
every religion preaching a different version of the true gospel
The credibility problem comes with Joe Smith, child sex, other men's wives sex, and the book of Abraham just to mention a small start.
BESIDES CHRISTIANITY IS NOT DIVIDED IF MORMONS ARE NOT DIVIDED. You say Mormons are not divided. Then Christians are not divided likewise. United Methodists are
This is pretty simple. You can either believe Jesus Christ or Joe Smith's Mormonism. Blainer says there is no hell fire. Then he spins the words of our Savior to make Jesus a liar while at the same time claiming not too. Jesus says "Depart from me, you who are cursed, INTO THE ETERNAL FIRE..."
I am now writing a book explaining that both Christianity and Mormonism is not divided. LOL
Blainer) Jack Mormon, Jack-ass--same thing. Both do a lot of braying
and noise-making, they just don't do much constructive stuff. Do you
know someone named Jack, Glenn? Is that your middle name, or
I also remember Mormon doctrine against blacks being in the Mormon priesthood. I guess God got it wrong and had to change His mind. LOL
Blainer) I remember it being a term related to the word Jack-ass. Lots
of noise, a lot of braying, a lot of complaining. But not too much
positive contribution
Refute what I said. Compared to the other world religions and even Christianity there are almost no Mormons on earth. Refute the figures.
PS. Credibility and claiming Mormons are not divided are incompatible.
Blainer) Glenn this is a laugh!! You know NOTHING about LDS fruits. How
could you, you
I thought you said Mormons are not saved from their sins past tense or present tense? I thought you said Mormons will only be saved in the future when they get to heaven?
To briefly answer your question, I believe Jesus Christ is the literal Son of God. He died in our behalf, was resurrected
Refute the numbers. I repeat. The Mormons are almost nonexistent when compared with the other worlds religions and even Christianity. Refute the numbers. Of couse you can't.
PS. And Mormons are not divided either. LOL
Blainer) Glenn has no comment on the RATE of growth? Is Glenn afraid to
Blainer has no credibility as he says Mormonism is not divided. This means the basic foundation of Mormons is false. Mormons claim their added "revelation" is necessary to clear up the divisions in Christianity. But Mormonism has failed because their "revelation" has caused more divisions even
The caravan moves on with a lack of credibility.
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Blainer - I've had to expose you before concerning Mormon division. I left you naked on that one. Now I have to expose you again. DavidM has shown his williness to read Mormon material. So, again you are exposed. Go get
Nice try but what you say is NOT what Jesus said. One has to choose to believe Jesus or Joe Smith. The two are not compatible. But I would expect you to deny what Jesus said since you say Mormons are not divided.
Blainer says there is no hell fire. Then he spins the
words of
our Savior to
What your reaction does is remove credibility with me.
Second, it is not true of us as DavidM has explained over and over he has read your material. I have read more than I care to talk about in college.
DAVEH wrote:
.One of the TT Cowards: Blaine (and DavidM)..This is
one thing I
Mr. No Credibility, has pulled another switch-a-rue. We're not talking about growth rate. We're talking about actual numbers. Furthermore, I can't believe your growth rate as you have no credibility with me since you lie about Mormons being divided. I am on a Ronald Reagan basis with you. "Trust
I understand your belief about salvation is not according the Bible teaching on a past, present, and future salvaion.
I thought you said Mormons are not saved from their sins past tense or present tense?
DAVEH: I used it in the same sense the BIble did. Though I do not believe individuals
No, Dave. You didn't respectfully interpret it differently. Blainer didn't respectfully interpret Jesus differently on hell fire. You denied the plain truth in the Bible about a past, present, and future salvation. Blainer denied what Jesus our Lord and Savior said about hell fire.
When I hear
Glenn to DaveH - The below made me think you had doubted me.
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What your reaction does is remove credibility with me.
DAVEH: Hm...Do you mean you believed me before, and now you don't?!?!?!?!
Second, it is not true of us as DavidM has explained over and over he
Marlin, your misuse of Scripture continues to amaze me below. HERE'S YOUR POSITION WHICH YOU ARE SNEAKY AND DECEITFUL ABOUT. This deceitfulness shows me you are a trouble maker.
1. CHRISTIANS CANNOT BE RIGHT WITH GOD AND NOT OBEY THE OT SABBATH.
My response to this is you are a Judiazer. You
Well then, Marlin, I stand by my statement. I surely wish I were wrong, but I am not. You and King Herod are both against Christmas.
NOW, MARLIN, TELL, TT, THESE ARE NOT YOUR POSITIONS!AND I WILL BACK OFF. --Glenn Let's Take Christ Out Of X-Mas (a poem -author
Correction: WITHOUT DRUNKENESS
Yes, Christians can celebrate Christmas with drunkeness and therefore give honor to our Savior. As I said, I celebrate Christmas with soul winning.
The church I am currently attending uses Christmas to win hundreds of people to Christ every year. They begin practicing in August for the musical "Scrooge". As you know, it is not a religious drama.
Every year thousands attend the 3-4 presentations in the Roanoke Civic Center for free. An
NO way. This is unbelievable that you could misuse the Sabbath this way.
Doesn't matter as the doctrine of origins is not in the Bible.--Glenn
The Sabbath commandment itself is the doctrine of origins.--Marlin
EXO 20:11 For [in] six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all
that
Your continued misuse of Scripture is amazing. There's not enough time in the universe to explain to you verses in context you misuse. Christmas is not breaking any commandment. I repeat. Praise the Lord, we have Christianized a pagan holiday. This is great. We stole Christmas from the Devil. I
Drew Carey did not die for my sins. How many people have you won to Christ during December? Praise God my church wins hundreds with the Scrooge musical. Praise God, We have stolen December 25 from the Devil. Praise His name.
"Why is the Christian religion the only one in the world that needs a
I guess this means you won't be sending me a Christmas card this year. ROFL
You can just curse the birth of Christ like King Herod. Me, I will use the occasion to win souls for Christ.
"Why is the Christian religion the only one in the world that needs a mascot to sell their stuff? You don't
Marlin, You condemn Christians for observing Christmas and then use that nasty filthy jokester Drew Carey to back you up. What am I to think about you.
Drew Carey did not die for my sins. How many people have you won to Christ during December? Praise God my church wins hundreds with the Scrooge
I didn't take it out of context. Thanks for sending the rest. But in all honestly, since when did context matter to you? Just about everything you sent has been worse than out of context. It has been totally misused. As in, using the Deut. prohibition against worshipping trees against Christmas.
Then why do you put on Joe Smith? There is something worse than being naked. It is being naked and not knowing it. You have no credibility because you say Mormons are not divided. That leaves you naked indeed.
Blainer) That's funny, I don't feel naked. I am wearing the whole armor
of God that I
I once had a church that had the greatest growth rate in America, maybe even in the whole world. IT IS NOT THE WHOLE STORY. MR. NO CREDIBILITY YOU HAVE NOT ADDRESS THE ACTUAL FIGURES THAT MORMONS ARE ALMOST NON-EXISTANT COMPARED TO MUSLIMS.
BlaineR (Mr. NO-CREDIBILITY) You pulled the switcheroo!!
There comes a time when God gives up on a person. They cross the line of no return. I cannot say that when a person crosses this line that God loves them or not. I suspect He still does.
I am not better than you. I am saying you have no credibility because you claim Mormonism is not divided.
If we go by numbers to show fruit, then Mormonism loses. Mormonism has little fruti for its efforts. There are so few Mormons percentage wise as compared to Christianity. So few as compared to Muslims, etc.,
DAVEH: Except for my early youth, I have been brought up in an LDS atmosphere. To me,
Here is a major problem. I can read "official" doctrine and you say it doesn't mean what it say. This doesn't serve your cause very well. For example, I am under the influence of Satan for following the Bible only in it's present form. You deny it, but it is plain as day officially.
So to read
You're make a major mistake here. I am not defending Protestantism. I am defending Jesus Christ and His church. I don't consider myself a Protestant. I am a Christian only. The Bible only makes Christians only.
Second, some would prefer to do battle against "Mormonism". To them Protestantism is
First, the problem here is time. People just don't have the time. Second, when trying to discuss one subject the posts tend to get into many other subjects at the same time. I find it impossible to keep you from running off onto something else when we are on a subject matter. :-) "Officially" that
Glenn - The doctrine of origins is not found in the Bible. That's the bottom line. I have found Jesus plus nothing, minus nothing. Christ, no more, no less. IT IS ENOUGH FOR ME THAT JESUS DIED, AND THAT HE DIED FOR ME.
You have found Christ plus the OT law. You are fallen from grace. Gal. 5:4.
This should be a red flag to you. Christianity has a problem understanding your twisting of the meaning of words. Red is not red iwth Mormons. This is a sure sign of a cult.
Asking another LDS person to explain how/why Protestants believe what they do, is simply hopeless for the most part. We
Frankly, I don't care about it. I am busy building God's kingdom.
For instance, it is hard for us to ignore the pre-mortal existence when we speak to Protestants about the creation.
Someone set in their thinking makes a fat target. Mormonism make a fat target.
THIS is the problem. Mormons see it quite differently doesn't change the facts that I presented. Mormons deny reality. Mormons are almost nonexistent compared to Christianity and other world religions.
Mormons deny reality.
To see it differently is see believe a lie. To see it differently is to
Thanks, Perry, for the post. Great first one. Welcome. For our Mormon friends who want to know what Christians believe, the doctrine you described is called the "priesthood of all believers". It is a precious doctrine to me as it means I can have a PERSONAL relationship with our Lord.
We do
I wish to clarify this a little more. Laura is a deeply spiritual person. She does not look on the outward appearance. Therefore a rich man does not have to send a picture. Ugly is good with her. :-)
Laura is looking for a rich man to marry. If you can help us out, it would be greatly
Click here: http://www.visitplantations.com/images/christmas_broch2.jpg
DATE: December 6, 2002
FROM: Jerry Falwell
A RELIGIOUS FREEDOM CHRISTMAS WISH
This Christmas, I am wishing for a special gift to the students of faith in our nation's schools. I wish them freedom.
You may think that they have the same freedom that other students enjoy, but you'd be very wrong.
I agree. I was just responding to DaveL's post that the Christian church he attended as a boy has very few people in it and has a run down building. DaveL, not me, was judging them for being small and not having multimillion dollars buildings like the Mormons.
I was putting it in perspective.
Blainer - I've had to expose you before concerning Mormon division. I left you naked on that one. Now I have to expose you again. DavidM has shown his williness to read Mormon material. So, again you are exposed. Go get some Mormon underwear on.
This is the unfair thing about mormons. They will
In order to help the newcomers on TT get a jump-start. Marlin is a Judiazer. He says Christians cannot be right with God and not observe the OT Sabbath. Marlin has fallen from grace. Gal. 5:4.
PS. He also invents new sins. He has invented the sin that says it is a sin to celebrate the birth of
Marlin, "Christ has become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace". Gal. 5:4.
WHO WERE THE JUDAIZERS?
The Jerusalem Council of Acts 15
http://www.gatesofeden.org/2001/march_april_2001/wwt/
None of the below matters to me as the "doctrine of origins" is not in the Bible. This doctrine teaches that Christmas (and other things) are a sin because they did not originate in the Bible.
If fact, it makes Christmas all the more wonderful.
Glenn, you have only nine ladies dancing
Nothing in here to say these begats are sin.
The doctrine of origins teaches everything is a sin that didn't begin in the Bible. Therefore Christmas is a sin because of it's origins. However, this is false doctrine. One can esteem Christmas above another day and one may not. WHAT ONE CANNOT DO IS
Izzy, do you think that the thermostat is broke in hell?
As opposed to hell, which is one BIG room? Izzy
Marlin is NOT a Jew. That's what he said.
What I am concerned about is the attitude of some that
seem to be boasting against the natural branches, the Jews.
You may need this info in order to win a million dollars on a TV game show.
There are churches in MA that do not consider themselves interdenominational or non-denominational. The say, "we are not interdenominational. We are a Federated Church". The affiliate with and belong to all of the below.
Marlin, I cannot allow you to keep pushing false doctrines. I call you on this. This is not Bible. Jeremiah 10 does not make Christmas an abomination. With all due respect, this is a lack of ability to discern the Bible.
Again, I must tell you, you are a Judiazers condemned in the Bible. Galatians
Blainer) This depends on how you define "Mormon," or "Mormonism." I
define it as being the religion of the Church of Jesus Christ of
Latter-day Saints. As such it is not divided.
Glenn - BY YOUR DEFINITION THERE IS NO, NO, NO, DIVISION IN CHRISTIANITY. UNITED METHODISTS ARE NOT DIVIDED, THE
11 million is a drop in the bucket compared to the Muslims. Mormon revelation has failed as it has been PROVED false in book of Abraham. Failed in that Mormans claim their added "revelation" is necessary to explain the failures of the Bible in order to stop Christianity's divisions. ALL MORMON
Sure, keep telling yourself this by refusing to read but one side of an issue on the book of Abraham.
Sure, keep telling yourself this by refusing to read but one side of
an issue
on the book of Abraham.
Blainer) There is no issue as far as I am concerned. I fully and
completely accept the
I've read about that. My post wasn't trying to say when they brought their gifts. The point is they brought gifts. There is a debate about how much time passed between the Christmas birth and the Christmas gifts. It's illrelevant to the point I however. The point is King Herod and Marlin both hate
Jehovah Witnesses and Marlin
You are cordially invited to
A BIRTHDAY CELEBRATION!!!
Guest of Honor: Jesus Christ
Date: Every day. Traditionally, December 25 but He's always around, so the date is flexible
Time: Whenever you're ready.
(Please don't be late, though, or you'll miss out on
Does anyone have the posts where Blainer admitted Mormonism is divided? Mormonism is divided because many splinter groups split off.
There are many different Mormon divisions today. Mormon revelation has failed because it has even caused Mormons to divide. Since you are back to saying Mormonism
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