Re: [Tutor] OT: need computer advice from wise Tutors

2010-06-26 Thread Richard D. Moores
On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 15:04, Marc Tompkins wrote: > On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 2:30 PM, Richard D. Moores > wrote: >> >> On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 13:39, Sithembewena Lloyd Dube >> wrote: >> > Hi Dick, >> > >> > In that case, perhaps you could externally back up all your important >> > stuff >> > a

Re: [Tutor] class questions

2010-06-26 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Sun, 27 Jun 2010 03:05:16 am Payal wrote: > Thanks a lot for the quick answer. Still some doubts below. > > On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 11:07:17PM +1000, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > > The old MRO (Method Resolution Order) is broken for classes using > > multiple inheritance with a diamond shape inherit

[Tutor] socket

2010-06-26 Thread Christopher King
I'm wondering how to allow one process to communicate with another process. In other words, I want to connect two computers. I've looked up socket but the explanations are too complex. I think I need a 2-way conversation with a expert to understand it. Or even better, point me to a easier module

Re: [Tutor] OT: need computer advice from wise Tutors

2010-06-26 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Sun, 27 Jun 2010 04:55:13 am Sithembewena Lloyd Dube wrote: > Richard, I think you may go ahead without trepidation. I am not a > Windows fan at all, I prefer Ubuntu. But I started using Win. 7 at > work about a month ago, and I have to say it hasn't given me cause to > grumble. I don't think R

Re: [Tutor] finally

2010-06-26 Thread Christopher King
sorry, my reply to all button goofed up On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 7:43 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > Hi Christopher, > > Are you aware you have written directly to me instead of the tutor > mailing list? It's normally considered rude to do so, unless your > message truly is meant to be private. > >

Re: [Tutor] class questions

2010-06-26 Thread Christopher King
only new classes can have properties, a major tool On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 8:17 AM, Payal wrote: > Hi, > Some questions about which I am a bit confused. > > 1. I know there is a difference between mro of classic and new style > classes. but I do not get why we need the new mro, the old one is eas

Re: [Tutor] class questions

2010-06-26 Thread Christopher King
Well the application of defining ones own error is in a module. For example, if I make a banking account module, I might define a WithdrawError if there is a place where a error might occur. That way if client code tries to withdraw too much, you can have a very descriptive error making it easier t

Re: [Tutor] Getting an object's attributes

2010-06-26 Thread mhw
Apol. For TP: This is perfect - thanks. Matt Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device -Original Message- From: Evert Rol Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2010 11:13:16 To: Cc: Python tutor Subject: Re: [Tutor] Getting an object's attributes > I have an object to which I dynamically add attributes. M

Re: [Tutor] OT: need computer advice from wise Tutors

2010-06-26 Thread Marc Tompkins
On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 2:30 PM, Richard D. Moores wrote: > On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 13:39, Sithembewena Lloyd Dube > wrote: > > Hi Dick, > > > > In that case, perhaps you could externally back up all your important > stuff > > and then format your hard disk. That way, any drivers etc intended for

Re: [Tutor] Advice on math

2010-06-26 Thread Alan Gauld
"Eduardo Vieira" wrote Right now I think I need a better understanding of logarithm, arrays (matrixes), and even probability. What links would you all recommend that would be useful for me to learn these things in a newbie-friendly way? Wikipedia? Pretty good on most things math and scienc

Re: [Tutor] OT: need computer advice from wise Tutors

2010-06-26 Thread Richard D. Moores
On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 13:39, Sithembewena Lloyd Dube wrote: > Hi Dick, > > In that case, perhaps you could externally back up all your important stuff > and then format your hard disk. That way, any drivers etc intended for > Windows Vista will be wiped off, and you can then perform a clean > in

Re: [Tutor] Advice on math

2010-06-26 Thread Shashwat Anand
On Sun, Jun 27, 2010 at 2:50 AM, Eduardo Vieira wrote: > Hello, I've enjoying learning python for the first few years, and > appreciate all the help I have received from this list. I had some > interest in programming and am very glad to have made python my choice > of programming language. Since

[Tutor] Advice on math

2010-06-26 Thread Eduardo Vieira
Hello, I've enjoying learning python for the first few years, and appreciate all the help I have received from this list. I had some interest in programming and am very glad to have made python my choice of programming language. Since I didn't go to college for computer studies, I feel my math is k

Re: [Tutor] class questions

2010-06-26 Thread Eike Welk
Hello Payal! On Saturday June 26 2010 19:05:16 Payal wrote: > Can we say that our own exception classes have only maybe a doc-string > and pass, nothing more? No, you let the exception transport the information that you need for handling the error. This is an exception that I use to transport us

Re: [Tutor] OT: need computer advice from wise Tutors

2010-06-26 Thread Sithembewena Lloyd Dube
Hi Dick, In that case, perhaps you could externally back up all your important stuff and then format your hard disk. That way, any drivers etc intended for Windows Vista will be wiped off, and you can then perform a clean installation from your disk. Now, as far as upgrade disks go, I do not know

Re: [Tutor] OT: need computer advice from wise Tutors

2010-06-26 Thread Richard D. Moores
On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 11:55, Sithembewena Lloyd Dube wrote: > Richard, I think you may go ahead without trepidation. I am not a Windows > fan at all, I prefer Ubuntu. But I started using Win. 7 at work about a > month ago, and I have to say it hasn't given me cause to grumble. > > Of course, a m

Re: [Tutor] OT: need computer advice from wise Tutors

2010-06-26 Thread Sithembewena Lloyd Dube
Richard, I think you may go ahead without trepidation. I am not a Windows fan at all, I prefer Ubuntu. But I started using Win. 7 at work about a month ago, and I have to say it hasn't given me cause to grumble. Of course, a month is hardly sufficient time to have a strong opinion, but I can tell

Re: [Tutor] Creating A Simple Blog System Using Python Programming

2010-06-26 Thread Vern Ceder
F C wrote: Hi there, - I have recently decided to learn Python. - It is my first programming language. - I am new to programming. - I know XHTML and CSS, and a few lines of PHP. - I only started learning a couple of days ago. What I want to do is create a simple blog system. Where I can - creat

Re: [Tutor] class questions

2010-06-26 Thread Payal
Thanks a lot for the quick answer. Still some doubts below. On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 11:07:17PM +1000, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > The old MRO (Method Resolution Order) is broken for classes using > multiple inheritance with a diamond shape inheritance diagram. Not a > little bit broken, but horribl

Re: [Tutor] Confirm that Python 2.6 ftplib does not support Unicode file names? Alternatives?

2010-06-26 Thread python
Updating this thread for users searching the archives. Additional commentary can be found in this thread I started on Stackoverflow.com. http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3120295/confirm-that-python-2-6-ftplib-does-not-support-unicode-file-names-alternatives Gabriel Genellina added the following

Re: [Tutor] Creating A Simple Blog System Using Python Programming

2010-06-26 Thread Wayne Werner
On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 11:41 PM, F C wrote: > Hi there, > > - I have recently decided to learn Python. > - It is my first programming language. > - I am new to programming. > - I know XHTML and CSS, and a few lines of PHP. > - I only started learning a couple of days ago. > Well congratulation

Re: [Tutor] need computer advice from wise Tutors

2010-06-26 Thread Wayne Werner
On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 3:30 AM, Alan Gauld wrote: > "Richard D. Moores" wrote > > However, to quote the old adage - "If it ain't broke, don't fix it". > So what is the problem that you think the upgrade will fix? > The problem? He has Vista installed... (rimshot) ;) -Wayne, Also on XP (and Ubu

Re: [Tutor] class questions

2010-06-26 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Sat, 26 Jun 2010 10:17:45 pm Payal wrote: > Hi, > Some questions about which I am a bit confused. > > 1. I know there is a difference between mro of classic and new style > classes. but I do not get why we need the new mro, the old one is > easy to predict and understand? The old MRO (Method Re

Re: [Tutor] Use flag to exit? (OT - PEP 8 Gripe)

2010-06-26 Thread Dave Angel
Richard D. Moores wrote: On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 23:42, Dave Angel wrote: Richard D. Moores wrote: On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 23:08, Dave Angel wrote: Do you activate Quick-Edit mode in your DOS box? Once you have that on, it's not much of a pain to copy and paste, as long as w

Re: [Tutor] OT: need computer advice from wise Tutors

2010-06-26 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Sat, 26 Jun 2010 08:53:57 pm you wrote: > > Why did they stop? Could it be because the upgrade is sometimes > > difficult and requires huge amount of manual effort to get it > > working, far more than $40 will cover? > > Do you know that it does? Please tell me what you know. I have no idea. Th

[Tutor] class questions

2010-06-26 Thread Payal
Hi, Some questions about which I am a bit confused. 1. I know there is a difference between mro of classic and new style classes. but I do not get why we need the new mro, the old one is easy to predict and understand? 2. A friend of mine told me that in C++ abstract classes are classes which can

Re: [Tutor] OT: need computer advice from wise Tutors

2010-06-26 Thread Richard D. Moores
On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 03:10, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > On Sat, 26 Jun 2010 05:00:16 pm Richard D. Moores wrote: >> Sorry about the OT, but I'm really nervous about the possibility of >> screwing up my laptop by upgrading the OS from Vista to 7, and can't >> think of a better place than Tutors to

Re: [Tutor] Getting an object's attributes

2010-06-26 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Sat, 26 Jun 2010 06:39:29 pm m...@doctors.net.uk wrote: > Dear Tutors, > > I have an object to which I dynamically add attributes. My question > is how I can inspect and display them at run-time? > > Class a(): > pass > > Obj1 = a() > > Obj1.name = "Bob" > Obj1.age = 45 > > dir(a) returns a

Re: [Tutor] OT: need computer advice from wise Tutors

2010-06-26 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Sat, 26 Jun 2010 05:00:16 pm Richard D. Moores wrote: > Sorry about the OT, but I'm really nervous about the possibility of > screwing up my laptop by upgrading the OS from Vista to 7, and can't > think of a better place than Tutors to ask for advice. Because of course knowing Python makes you

Re: [Tutor] Getting an object's attributes

2010-06-26 Thread Evert Rol
> I have an object to which I dynamically add attributes. My question is how I > can inspect and display them at run-time? > > Class a(): >pass > > Obj1 = a() > > Obj1.name = "Bob" > Obj1.age = 45 First off, a few suggestions: - you probably mean 'class', not 'Class' (sorry, but it's just

[Tutor] Getting an object's attributes

2010-06-26 Thread mhw
Dear Tutors, I have an object to which I dynamically add attributes. My question is how I can inspect and display them at run-time? Class a(): pass Obj1 = a() Obj1.name = "Bob" Obj1.age = 45 dir(a) returns a tuple which contains name and age, but also other things (includings methods, et

Re: [Tutor] Running external commands from Python

2010-06-26 Thread Alan Gauld
"Randy Kao" wrote In trying to do this in Python, I think I've read a couple ways to do this. through: os.popen, os.popen2, os.popen3, os.system, commands.getoutput() This is historically one of the things that Python has had trouble with. The things you list have all been introduced o

[Tutor] Creating A Simple Blog System Using Python Programming

2010-06-26 Thread F C
Hi there, - I have recently decided to learn Python. - It is my first programming language. - I am new to programming. - I know XHTML and CSS, and a few lines of PHP. - I only started learning a couple of days ago. What I want to do is create a simple blog system. Where I can - create posts

Re: [Tutor] need computer advice from wise Tutors

2010-06-26 Thread Alan Gauld
"Richard D. Moores" wrote Sorry about the OT, but I'm really nervous about the possibility of screwing up my laptop by upgrading the OS from Vista to 7, and can't think of a better place than Tutors to ask for advice. Going from Vista to Windows 7 is a relatively painless process - unlike goi

Re: [Tutor] Use flag to exit? (OT - PEP 8 Gripe)

2010-06-26 Thread Richard D. Moores
On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 01:21, Alan Gauld wrote: > > "Richard D. Moores" wrote >>> >>> left-drag over the desired text. >>> Right click to copy to clipboard >>> Right click again to paste into current cursor position >> >> Hey, terrific! Thanks, Dave! I didn't see any help available. Where'd >> y

Re: [Tutor] Use flag to exit? (OT - PEP 8 Gripe)

2010-06-26 Thread Alan Gauld
"Richard D. Moores" wrote left-drag over the desired text. Right click to copy to clipboard Right click again to paste into current cursor position Hey, terrific! Thanks, Dave! I didn't see any help available. Where'd you learn this? There is a fair amount of help in Wiindows Help. Start

Re: [Tutor] OT: need computer advice from wise Tutors

2010-06-26 Thread Shashwat Anand
I am not a window user myself but all my friends who upgraded are quite happy about it. AFAIK Vista was a failure but 7 is good, so it is worth upgrading. On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 12:30 PM, Richard D. Moores wrote: > Sorry about the OT, but I'm really nervous about the possibility of > screwing up

Re: [Tutor] Use flag to exit? (OT - PEP 8 Gripe)

2010-06-26 Thread Richard D. Moores
On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 23:42, Dave Angel wrote: > Richard D. Moores wrote: >> >> On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 23:08, Dave Angel wrote: >> >>> >>> Do you activate Quick-Edit mode in your DOS box?  Once you have that on, >>> it's not much of a pain to copy and paste, as long as what you're copying >>>

[Tutor] OT: need computer advice from wise Tutors

2010-06-26 Thread Richard D. Moores
Sorry about the OT, but I'm really nervous about the possibility of screwing up my laptop by upgrading the OS from Vista to 7, and can't think of a better place than Tutors to ask for advice. I bought this Toshiba Satellite last October. It came with the right to receive the upgrade CD for Windows