Re: [Tutor] OT: need computer advice from wise Tutors

2010-06-30 Thread ALAN GAULD
If its a typical ADSL line it will be conneced to a DSLAM at the centeral office(by the telco) and that will be shareed. ADSL also loses bandwidth the further you are from the office process has to be diversified for each customer, because it all travels at the speed of light. It

Re: [Tutor] OT: need computer advice from wise Tutors

2010-06-30 Thread David Hutto
On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 3:06 AM, ALAN GAULD alan.ga...@btinternet.com wrote: If its a typical ADSL line it will be conneced to a DSLAM at the centeral office(by the telco) and  that will be shareed. ADSL also loses bandwidth the further you are from the office process has to be

Re: [Tutor] OT: need computer advice from wise Tutors

2010-06-29 Thread Alan Gauld
David Hutto smokefl...@gmail.com wrote fundamentally different from downloading, and those who know that the only difference is that with streaming, the browser deletes the video But this only matters if a)you're paying for it, not the boss b) that there are unlimited plans available

Re: [Tutor] OT: need computer advice from wise Tutors

2010-06-29 Thread Alan Gauld
Richard D. Moores rdmoo...@gmail.com wrote You log into Gmail and your browser downloads the Gmail page; Yes, of course. But I'm always logged into Gmail. But it is stiill continually downloading. The same applies to a desktop client, if you leave it running it can continually poll the

Re: [Tutor] OT: need computer advice from wise Tutors

2010-06-29 Thread Walter Prins
At the risk of adding more fuel to the fire, I'll simply note that a) I sometimes use Gmail while we visit folks in South Africa who are still on 56k dial-up. Initial log-in can be a bit slow, but generally you'd be surprised at how efficient/quick it is w.r.t bandwidth. (As an aside, with the

Re: [Tutor] OT: need computer advice from wise Tutors

2010-06-29 Thread David Hutto
On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 3:48 AM, Alan Gauld alan.ga...@btinternet.com wrote: David Hutto smokefl...@gmail.com wrote fundamentally different from downloading, and those who know that the only difference is that with streaming, the browser deletes the video But this only matters if

Re: [Tutor] OT: need computer advice from wise Tutors

2010-06-29 Thread Richard D. Moores
On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 01:06, Alan Gauld alan.ga...@btinternet.com wrote: Richard D. Moores rdmoo...@gmail.com wrote You log into Gmail and your browser downloads the Gmail page; Yes, of course. But I'm always logged into Gmail. But it is still continually downloading. The same applies to

Re: [Tutor] OT: need computer advice from wise Tutors

2010-06-29 Thread Alan Gauld
David Hutto smokefl...@gmail.com wrote Or if the network is shared with other users or other applications So, the bandwidth supplied(better question for my own ISP) is like a drop cord, even with alleged T1 connections plugged in, it drop in accordance with usage that exceeds the max capacity

Re: [Tutor] OT: need computer advice from wise Tutors

2010-06-29 Thread Alan Gauld
Walter Prins wpr...@gmail.com wrote a) I sometimes use Gmail while we visit folks in South Africa who are still on 56k dial-up. Initial log-in can be a bit slow, but generally you'd be surprised at how efficient/quick it is w.r.t bandwidth. To be fair to Google, GMail is one of the best

Re: [Tutor] OT: need computer advice from wise Tutors

2010-06-29 Thread Lie Ryan
On 06/29/10 19:48, Richard D. Moores wrote: On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 01:06, Alan Gauld alan.ga...@btinternet.com wrote: Richard D. Moores rdmoo...@gmail.com wrote You log into Gmail and your browser downloads the Gmail page; Yes, of course. But I'm always logged into Gmail. But it is still

Re: [Tutor] OT: need computer advice from wise Tutors

2010-06-29 Thread David Hutto
On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 11:11 AM, Alan Gauld alan.ga...@btinternet.com wrote: David Hutto smokefl...@gmail.com wrote Or if the network is shared with other users or other applications So, the bandwidth supplied(better question for my own ISP) is like a drop cord, even with alleged T1

Re: [Tutor] OT: need computer advice from wise Tutors

2010-06-28 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Mon, 28 Jun 2010 10:52:03 am Richard D. Moores wrote: On Sun, Jun 27, 2010 at 16:25, Steven D'Aprano st...@pearwood.info wrote: On Mon, 28 Jun 2010 03:07:47 am Richard D. Moores wrote: A feature very important to me is that with Gmail, my mail is just always THERE, with no need to

Re: [Tutor] OT: need computer advice from wise Tutors

2010-06-28 Thread David Hutto
On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 8:32 PM, Steven D'Aprano st...@pearwood.info wrote: On Mon, 28 Jun 2010 10:52:03 am Richard D. Moores wrote: On Sun, Jun 27, 2010 at 16:25, Steven D'Aprano st...@pearwood.info wrote: On Mon, 28 Jun 2010 03:07:47 am Richard D. Moores wrote: A feature very important to

Re: [Tutor] OT: need computer advice from wise Tutors

2010-06-28 Thread Richard D. Moores
On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 17:32, Steven D'Aprano st...@pearwood.info wrote: On Mon, 28 Jun 2010 10:52:03 am Richard D. Moores wrote: On Sun, Jun 27, 2010 at 16:25, Steven D'Aprano st...@pearwood.info wrote: On Mon, 28 Jun 2010 03:07:47 am Richard D. Moores wrote: A feature very important to

Re: [Tutor] OT: need computer advice from wise Tutors

2010-06-27 Thread Marc Tompkins
On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 4:46 PM, Steven D'Aprano st...@pearwood.infowrote: Apart from: The OP was asking about upgrading from Vista to 7, so let me answer your objections here... having no default email client (what sort of two-bit operating system doesn't have an email client in 2010?);

Re: [Tutor] OT: need computer advice from wise Tutors

2010-06-27 Thread Alan Gauld
Steven D'Aprano st...@pearwood.info wrote having no default email client (what sort of two-bit operating system doesn't have an email client in 2010?); To be fair to MS - and it pains me to do so - they have been beat up so much by the lawyers that its hardlly surprising. After all they

Re: [Tutor] OT: need computer advice from wise Tutors

2010-06-27 Thread Alan Gauld
Marc Tompkins marc.tompk...@gmail.com wrote having no default email client (what sort of two-bit operating system doesn't have an email client in 2010?); Jesus, you _miss_ Outlook Express? Seriously: the new default is webmail. Like it, don't like it, but it's really not as if you can't

Re: [Tutor] OT: need computer advice from wise Tutors

2010-06-27 Thread Richard D. Moores
On Sun, Jun 27, 2010 at 07:41, Alan Gauld alan.ga...@btinternet.com wrote: Marc Tompkins marc.tompk...@gmail.com wrote I will miss OE. I actually quite like it, its simple but has all the bits I need for both email and newrgroups. I tried thunderbird and use it on my Linux box but on windows

Re: [Tutor] OT: need computer advice from wise Tutors

2010-06-27 Thread Marc Tompkins
On Sun, Jun 27, 2010 at 7:41 AM, Alan Gauld alan.ga...@btinternet.comwrote: Marc Tompkins marc.tompk...@gmail.com wrote having no default email client (what sort of two-bit operating system doesn't have an email client in 2010?); Jesus, you _miss_ Outlook Express? Seriously: the new

Re: [Tutor] OT: need computer advice from wise Tutors

2010-06-27 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Mon, 28 Jun 2010 03:07:47 am Richard D. Moores wrote: A feature very important to me is that with Gmail, my mail is just always THERE, with no need to download it You see your email without downloading it? You don't understand how the Internet works, do you? *wry grin* -- Steven

Re: [Tutor] OT: need computer advice from wise Tutors

2010-06-27 Thread Richard D. Moores
On Sun, Jun 27, 2010 at 16:25, Steven D'Aprano st...@pearwood.info wrote: On Mon, 28 Jun 2010 03:07:47 am Richard D. Moores wrote: A feature very important to me is that with Gmail, my mail is just always THERE, with no need to download it You see your email without downloading it? You don't

[Tutor] OT: need computer advice from wise Tutors

2010-06-26 Thread Richard D. Moores
Sorry about the OT, but I'm really nervous about the possibility of screwing up my laptop by upgrading the OS from Vista to 7, and can't think of a better place than Tutors to ask for advice. I bought this Toshiba Satellite last October. It came with the right to receive the upgrade CD for

Re: [Tutor] OT: need computer advice from wise Tutors

2010-06-26 Thread Shashwat Anand
I am not a window user myself but all my friends who upgraded are quite happy about it. AFAIK Vista was a failure but 7 is good, so it is worth upgrading. On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 12:30 PM, Richard D. Moores rdmoo...@gmail.comwrote: Sorry about the OT, but I'm really nervous about the

Re: [Tutor] OT: need computer advice from wise Tutors

2010-06-26 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Sat, 26 Jun 2010 05:00:16 pm Richard D. Moores wrote: Sorry about the OT, but I'm really nervous about the possibility of screwing up my laptop by upgrading the OS from Vista to 7, and can't think of a better place than Tutors to ask for advice. Because of course knowing Python makes you an

Re: [Tutor] OT: need computer advice from wise Tutors

2010-06-26 Thread Richard D. Moores
On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 03:10, Steven D'Aprano st...@pearwood.info wrote: On Sat, 26 Jun 2010 05:00:16 pm Richard D. Moores wrote: Sorry about the OT, but I'm really nervous about the possibility of screwing up my laptop by upgrading the OS from Vista to 7, and can't think of a better place

Re: [Tutor] OT: need computer advice from wise Tutors

2010-06-26 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Sat, 26 Jun 2010 08:53:57 pm you wrote: Why did they stop? Could it be because the upgrade is sometimes difficult and requires huge amount of manual effort to get it working, far more than $40 will cover? Do you know that it does? Please tell me what you know. I have no idea. That's

Re: [Tutor] OT: need computer advice from wise Tutors

2010-06-26 Thread Sithembewena Lloyd Dube
Richard, I think you may go ahead without trepidation. I am not a Windows fan at all, I prefer Ubuntu. But I started using Win. 7 at work about a month ago, and I have to say it hasn't given me cause to grumble. Of course, a month is hardly sufficient time to have a strong opinion, but I can tell

Re: [Tutor] OT: need computer advice from wise Tutors

2010-06-26 Thread Richard D. Moores
On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 11:55, Sithembewena Lloyd Dube zebr...@gmail.com wrote: Richard, I think you may go ahead without trepidation. I am not a Windows fan at all, I prefer Ubuntu. But I started using Win. 7 at work about a month ago, and I have to say it hasn't given me cause to grumble.

Re: [Tutor] OT: need computer advice from wise Tutors

2010-06-26 Thread Sithembewena Lloyd Dube
Hi Dick, In that case, perhaps you could externally back up all your important stuff and then format your hard disk. That way, any drivers etc intended for Windows Vista will be wiped off, and you can then perform a clean installation from your disk. Now, as far as upgrade disks go, I do not know

Re: [Tutor] OT: need computer advice from wise Tutors

2010-06-26 Thread Richard D. Moores
On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 13:39, Sithembewena Lloyd Dube zebr...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Dick, In that case, perhaps you could externally back up all your important stuff and then format your hard disk. That way, any drivers etc intended for Windows Vista will be wiped off, and you can then perform

Re: [Tutor] OT: need computer advice from wise Tutors

2010-06-26 Thread Marc Tompkins
On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 2:30 PM, Richard D. Moores rdmoo...@gmail.comwrote: On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 13:39, Sithembewena Lloyd Dube zebr...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Dick, In that case, perhaps you could externally back up all your important stuff and then format your hard disk. That way, any

Re: [Tutor] OT: need computer advice from wise Tutors

2010-06-26 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Sun, 27 Jun 2010 04:55:13 am Sithembewena Lloyd Dube wrote: Richard, I think you may go ahead without trepidation. I am not a Windows fan at all, I prefer Ubuntu. But I started using Win. 7 at work about a month ago, and I have to say it hasn't given me cause to grumble. I don't think

Re: [Tutor] OT: need computer advice from wise Tutors

2010-06-26 Thread Richard D. Moores
On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 15:04, Marc Tompkins marc.tompk...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 2:30 PM, Richard D. Moores rdmoo...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 13:39, Sithembewena Lloyd Dube zebr...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Dick, In that case, perhaps you could externally