> I am sympathetic to Steuver's perspective that Corden's late night
persona is an attempt to
> out-Fallon Fallon. To put it in terms that Geoff Peterson might use,
James Corden is the
> Jimmy Fallon fly with a British accent.
and
> I don't mind panel interviews, butI think a key difference betwee
> It's a dirty job, but somebody's got to do it. :)
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> By “alternate channel,” I meant an alternate Root
> Sports channel — e.g., on DirecTV, Root Sports
> Pittsburgh is channel 659, but they can activate
> 659-1 as an alternate if necessary.
I'm pretty sure no such channel exists for these rare conflicts. That may
have to do with Root not being own
> Um...let's say your mileage may vary and
> color me skeptical. I've never before in my life heard
> anybody propose this theory. It certainly doesn't
> apply to the way I or any of my circle of friends view
> British TV/movies.
It depends on what/how you're watching. In the past, a distincti
> “The Prince Show,” with co-host Beyoncé – for example:
The SNL tribute was a classic example of fitting 60 minutes of content into
a 90-minute program. It's not a spoiler to point out that the last
half-hour or so was several episodes of "The Prince Show", when one would
have been more than suff
> To be fair, while the After-Party performance may not have been Prince at
> his best, what makes it cool is the context, and people like Fallon, Rock
> and, at one point, JZ hopping up on stage to sing back-ups. It is
amazingly
> cool in the way it might be if Prince suddenly appeared on stage to
Thanks for passing this along, Joe.
I echo everyone's sentiments on what a loss this is for the group, and, of
course, join in sending my condolences to Ed's family.
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NBC is carrying Game 5 of the Pittsburgh-Washington series at 7:15ET,
following Kentucky Derby coverage.
NBC is also carrying a new episode of SNL at 11:30.
As you know, the game was over around 10:00, so there was no problem. If it
had gone long, I believe that NBC would had stuck with it, even
> BTW, speaking of "Castle," there's a possibility I may get to do a phone
> interview with Susan Sullivan next week. (This is in connection with a
> production of "Steel Magnolias" she's doing at the Bucks County Playhouse
> with Patricia Richardson and Jessica Walter, directed by Marsha Mason.)
>
Before the same-day delay, the race was available around the country on
closed-circuit television. (Wki says that was from '64-'70.) I know that
while looking through old newspapers, I've seen ads for similar
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Tim,
Nice interview.
I'm glad to have helped in my small way, and even gladder that it worked
out so well for you, despite your phone's best efforts.
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I'm painfully aware that I'm no longer in the demo any of these shows are
aiming at, but still...
I really want to like Colbert's Late Show. He's capable of doing a smart,
funny show, but instead of improving as the show got over its growing
pains, that goal seems to be receding.
Fallon remains "
I don't have a great deal of use for Gawker, either. However, the slope
gets pretty slippery pretty fast:
http://gawker.com/now-peter-thiels-lawyer-wants-to-silence-reporting-on-t-1781918385
What's to stop the Koch brothers from funding a similar campaign against
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PGage, upthread:
"I am currently engaged in a conflict with my employer that was covered in
a few media outlets (the case is trivial for almost everyone, but pretty
major to the parties involved). In one of the published stories a claim was
made about me that was patently false and potentially dam
When Meyers announced the ban on Tuesday, and when he reiterated it
Wednesday and Thursday, he made a point of mentioning that Trump had no
interest in appearing anyway. (In which case, I suppose, the "ban" is doing
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> I am in Paris without easy access to CSPAN.
Life's rough. And/or that's the first time that statement wasn't a complete
win-win.
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> The question may be when Meyers does "Closer
> Look"--before or after 1 a.m.
"A Closer Look" comes right after the monologue/faux-Update before the
first commercials.
> And I wonder what The Wrap thinks Licht should have Colbert doing.
> Interviewing "Big Brother" castoffs? Hell, no.
So far as
> I'm sorry, but if Colbert is doing his show live the weeks of the
> convention, he should be in Cleveland and Philly and not at the Ed still
> doing celebrity interviews. But I guess Chris Licht and Moonves want to
> turn him into the Jay Leno for a new generation.
If he were at the conventions,
> Maybe not enough people would like that, or maybe Stephen is just too
tired
> of that character? But I knowI would like that. I would also like to see
> him interview at least selected guests, for at least one segment, as that
> character.
As I think about this, it seems clearer and clearer to m
> I wish they were trying harder to avoid Dave's Late Show. I watch the
> comedy bits, but SC's interview segments are just as canned and artificial
> as Dave's ever were, even when they are (awkwardly) leading into prepared
> material. Oh, what I'd give for spontaneity.
Interviewing is traditiona
> (who has never knowingly been called Jimmy in the UK :-) )
Probably not outside this list in the US, either, but since two other
networks each have a late night Jimmy...
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> A huge part of what made the mid-to-late 80s the golden age of Pyramid was
> that they more or less rotated among the same 20-30 celebrities, and I'd
> wager that, by the end of that time, Shelley Smith wasn't the only one who
> was more famous for Pyramid than for anything else they'd done.
I'm
> Actually, it did happen – the game went double
> OT -- and Lorne was not happy, because he had
> J-Lo live.
After one of those long events, the policy became that SNL would start
going live-to-tape at 11:30, so that cast, crew, and audience didn't have
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> The only thing I saw that surprised me a bit in the announcer list was
that
> Karch Kiralyi was not doing beach volleyball.
I think Karch is coaching the US women's indoor team.
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A bit of spoilage about Monday's Late Show:
Yes, it was live from the Ed, so of course it started with a taped song and
dance number. Some of that footage was shot in Cleveland, as was what I
assume the Vulture link refers to.
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>> so I suppose the Late Show people could have
>> whipped up something in an hour or so. Would it
>> have been any good?
>> Maybe 11:35 is too soon to be ready to comment
>> fully on the crazy of the day. It certainly seems to be
>> to soon for wh
> Which is to say that when you do see a report recommending
> release, you have to give it some weight.
It's always nice to hear stuff like this from people who know what they're
talking about. Thank you.
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I know that on Sundays in Pittsburgh, the CBS affiliate (KDKA-TV) puts the
network news on at 6:00 and the local at 6:30, so that if sports run past
6, it's the national broadcast that gets shortened/cut first.
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What am I missing here? Aren't Viacom and CBS parts of the same corporate
structure? Why would Comedy Central care about Colbert-specific content
going to CBS?
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Responding to a few things:
> I guess the prime time is actually live on the east coast (we still get
> treated like Donald Trump's pool boy out here on the west coast with a
tape
> delay)?
According to this piece, which was linked in the Jenkins column, even us
Easterners got the opening ceremon
> The immediate thought that came to my mind as I read this: "What would ABC
> have done had the Miracle On Ice been a 10-3 Russian blowout (which was
the
> score of the exhibition game played less than two weeks earlier)?"
Maybe shown a couple of highlights, including goals by the plucky college
> I would strongly disagree that they weren't building to that game. Here is
> part of Jim McKay's introduction:
There's a lot I don't remember 36 years later, like what time the US-USSR
game actually started. If the second game started at 8:45, then the first
game must have been very late, if not
> Oh God, please don't let it be an empath.
I sense that you don't like that idea.
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On Twitter, I saw a couple of references to CBC blowing the call, then this:
https://twitter.com/FriedgeHNIC/status/763926803811409920
That's all anyone has to say in that situation.
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> It was a 5:00 PM ET start, so the game was in the books when McKay went on
> the air at 8:00. Both games were in the same rink, so they'd have had to
> have time to reset the building for the nightcap.
Thanks, Joe. I'll stand by my assertion that if the game had been another
10-3 Soviet win, it
I just want to add my thanks here for the discussion of coverage outside
the US. It's nice to get a look outside our bubble.
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> The internet is such a vast wasteland of racism and misogyny that I
stopped
> taking it seriously a long time ago
Maybe you're hanging around the wrong places.
"The internet," at heart, is a method of connecting computers. (Of course,
"computers" now includes a wide variety of devices.) It allo
> I'm assuming they'll talk about more than the
> novelty assortment of travel-sized liquor bottles
> that The Late Show sent The Nightly Show
> during the latter's last week.
As reasonable as your assumption is, and as much as I'd also like to hear a
serious discussion, I don't put it past the La
I'm happy to report that I was wrong, and Wilmore's visit to the Late Show
was reasonably substantive.
So now I'll complain that they've booked CBS News political director John
Dickerson for Friday. If they recorded it Thursday night, there's a decent
chance they'll miss something interesting duri
> It clearly was not taped Friday - lots of Lettermanesqye comments about
> what a great Friday crowd...
I don't really have a problem with taping Friday's show on Thursday, but
they should be smart enough not put a guest whose appearance is likely to
be out of date on the delayed show. The altern
Don't forget that Worldwide Pants was also being paid for the Late Late
Show, probably with the same sort of mix of CBS and WWP employees that
we're talking about for the Late Show. With CBS no longer paying those
license fees, Moonves' claims about both shows being more profitable than
they were m
> Somehow the point of this show certainly is
> that nobody really belongs in The Good Place.
It will be interesting to see how long they can keep plates spinning before
they have to explain what's going on. As a limited 13-episode series, it
could be really fascinating, but as an American network
> IIRC he wouldn't be the first to use that word.
> Chris Rock used it earlier in an Update segment
> where we heard his bit about the Redskins name
> for the first time.
I think you'd have to go back to Richard Pryor and Chevy Chase in Season 1
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Mike Mulvihill of Fox Sports tweeted this:
NFL viewership trend through Week 4:
Regionalized Windows
CBS: -3%
FOX: -3%
National Windows
TNF: -15%
SNF: -13%
MNF: -19%
Apparently, people are still watching their local teams, but aren't as
interested in the prime time games. That would seem to pu
This week's Monday Morning Quarterback features a section called "TV or not
TV: That is the question" that discusses the election cycle.
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> I am smiling as I read this, but also, yes - this is a great illustration
> of my point. What if my post above was for some reason quoted in an AP
> story? I am writing here informally and quickly, wouldn't I feel like the
> editor was a dick if they put [sic] after my mistaken it's? (Answer: yes
Dave,
I'd like to add my congratulations to Pidge, and my condolences to you on
now being the second-ranked Jeopardy! champion in the household.
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Bob,
I just got the digest, and I'd like to add my condolences.
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> It's not even close, really. She Who Will Not Be Named pioneered the
> one-size-fits-all overplayed characterization...
Cheri Oteri would like credit for her contributions.
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FWIW, I enjoyed the first few innings when the game zipped along. When the
game slowed down, though, I thought Fox added absolutely nothing, and the
broadcast became interminable, even as the game itself remained close.
Smoltz's insights are fine, but if he's still doing the job in ten years,
we'l
> Woe - you rode that one way off the cliff. It would take at least 30 years
> of banal, inane and ill-timed observations and pseudo analysis for us to
> get even half as sick of Smoltz as we were of McCarver.
I don't know what the exact time frame is, especially since how often
they're on the air
> By long tradition, if not black letter law, that relative strike zone has
also
> always been relative to the position of the umpire...
"By long tradition," games ended when the sun went down, each league had
its own umpiring staff, etc. Time marches on, and traditions change. Some
of us may rue
> Technology now allows the game to be
> officiated at a non-human level, where
> time is slowed down, and margins are
> so small they could not possibly influence
> real time decisions by players or officials.
There's a huge difference between players and officials. Nobody is
paying/tuning in to
> All of the players and officials are color blind, but the TV
> audience is not. In the game 99% of the balls are blue or red, but 1% are
> green, so occasionally a team is "incorrectly" given points for scoring a
> green ball. In such a scenario, would it really make sense to change the
> scoring
> NEW YORK (CNNMoney) -- Late night TV was mostly preempted on Election
> Night, but on Wednesday the hosts of late night returned with plenty
> to say about the stunning election of Donald Trump
Think anyone was waiting for Fallon's reaction?
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> I know there is some McKinnon hate here, but I think all but the deepest
> Hillary-haters (and there may be more of those on the left than the right
> these days) will have to give er credit for the cold open last night,
which
> managed to combine a sad good bye to Cohen with a nice coda for Hill
I'll assume that our collective lack of finding an appearance is accurate,
and that Steve first saw Mr. Cohen on another show.
When I saw the cold open, I recognized the song as Leonard Cohen, and
didn't remember him doing SNL, although that's far enough from definitive
that I confirmed it here. I
>From the 9/14/01 Pittsburgh Post-Gazette.
NFL postpones weekend's games:
https://news.google.com/newspapers?id=tYVIIBAJ&sjid=f3ADIBAJ&pg=5176%2C1292307
jump:
https://news.google.com/newspapers?id=tYVIIBAJ&sjid=f3ADIBAJ&pg=6619%2C1302734
Also on both pages: Pirate bus, which was
>> I wonder if the NFL would allow some Chargers or Rams home games to be
preempted for let's
>> say a better game?
>
> Wouldn't be much trouble to get the NFL to agree. They don't care what
game is on, as long as
> there's a game on.
>
> The owners of the Rams and Chargers however, would never hea
> But a few weeks ago, that same PBS station replaced PBS World
> (on one of its four subchannels) with PBS Kids 24/7. Are other PBS
> stations doing this too?
In Pittsburgh, WQED added the Kids subchannel. (Before Kids launched, they
put the PBS feed on that subchannel, which was a welcome change
> I was a huge Mannix fan as a kid. I don't remember being drawn to his
> emotional involvement, but I do remember how striking it was to have an
> African American actress in a pretty important role, and for the most part
> how matter of factly they treated it.
Mission:Impossible, which was also
> I can check this myself - but what year did MTM start?
1970, so Mannix would have followed it that first year. The 70--71 schedule
is here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1970%E2%80%9371_United_States_network_television_schedule
and has links to other years.
Carol Burnett moved to Saturdays in 1
Mike Tirico will be the primetime host of next year's Winter Olympics:
http://variety.com/2017/tv/news/bob-costas-olympics-retiring-mike-tirico-1201982718/
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http://www.today.com/news/bob-costas-pass-olympic-hosting-torch-mike-tirico-t107967
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3T-7NJQVRa4
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> Best pop vocal album is a minor award? It was given by 3:55 p.m.
With all the categories that have awards, and with all the performances
they want to include in the telecast, many important-seeming Grammys have
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> When Trump beat Fallon last week...
That's probably not what you meant to say, but it's more accurate than we
might have thought.
> My dirty secret is that after the election I was unable to watch much in
> the way of late night television of any kind for several months...
Colbert hasn't let u
> I just don't think it matters, though I suppose I
> understand people's curiosity about it.
No, it doesn't Matter, but many of us saw it, and it's something we can
dissect without touching on genuinely important issues. It's the same
reason that if you wanted to go into describing the "inside ba
> Why need two sets to handout anyway? I realise guest presenters come on
> from either wing, but a single set could be used backstage and passed to
> each presenter in turn. It would mean not being quite ready in both wings
> at all times, but there must be backstage route from left to right wing.
>> Does any late night host do this well? That's the structure of guest
>> interviews on all of the shows. I think Kimmel is a bit smoother at it
but
>> it doesn't feel natural for anybody.
>
> TV's Craig Ferguson spoiled me for eternity.
I found that a lot of SCG's interviews just lay there. When
"Webb’s fast-paced camera cuts, extreme close-ups of the intensity on
players’ faces, and timely snapshots of passionate fans in the stands have
become standard in any baseball game televised today."
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> Our local C-USA school (Marshall) beat writer
> is reporting that ASN may soldier on with a
> change in management structure. Further
> details may emerge in the coming week.
If you're in a C-USA market, that's probably a good thing. My ASN viewing,
though, usually involves flipping by, figuring
> I have asked about this for years and have always been told NBC could not
> do it because they wouldn't put "adult content" on before 10:00. Did st
> change?
My completely uninformed guess is that, especially in this age of social
media, the network is willing to let SNL do its thing in prime ti
> If the networks have not increased spending
> on newsgathering resources over the next few years,
> then it will be hard to argue that market forces have
> resulted in more serious television news coverage;
> but if they are spending 3 more minutes per night on
> serious national coverage from th
>From the Indianapolis Star:
http://www.indystar.com/story/entertainment/arts/2017/04/12/mengering-letterman-olympics-carmel-cbs-mother-presbyterian-hofert/100361486/
Written by her children:
http://www.indystar.com/story/entertainment/arts/2017/04/12/mengering-letterman-hofert-indianapolis-olym
> Getting rid of Cowhered and Bayliss would balance out the harm done by
> losing 500 talented employees...
Both are actually now at Fox Sports. As you suggest, that was addition by
subtraction on ESPN's part.
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Jimmy did the show tonight and told this story:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MmWWoMcGmo0
The schedule for the rest of the week:
Tuesday: Host Will Arnett with guests Maya Rudolph, Ben McKenzie, Music
from Incubus
Wednesday: Host Anthony Anderson with guests George Lopez, Music from Future
Thur
> I'm surprised that NBC doesn't use some of their big names on PBP, but
> maybe they don't want to do that.
They use experienced hockey announcers, instead. (Although Al Michaels has
a famous hockey call on his resume, I have no idea when he last worked a
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> It's almost like the right conveniently forgets all of Dave's Bill Clinton
> jokes, which he continued to do right until the end.
And what could be more leftist than having on Medal of Honor winners to
tell their stories?
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>>> HWCNBN...
>>
>> Faulty, perhaps, but not misleading. After all, How else could you
>> differentiate him from He Who CAN Be Named?
>
> He who can be named is named, of course.
Of course.
I'm sure this thread is more entertaining than Sharknado 5.
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I haven't watched the segment, nor am I going to, but I did come across
Matt Taibbi's appreciation of it:
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/features/megyn-kelly-
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Matt Taibbi's appreciation of it:
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Harumph. If the monologue's new, I'll watch it, but once they start showing
footage from previous episodes, I'm out. It's not worth sitting through
material that didn't blow me away the first time in hopes that they'll
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I'll repeat what I said when this version first went on the air. If it was
"Honolulu Cops," I could watch it and judge it on its own merits. But when
they call it "Five-O" and use the original character names, they have some
obligation to the original. And from the bits and pieces I see from time t
> The third problem was related to the second. I.e.
> while I had the aspect ratio set to "SQUEEZED", small text
> on the screen was very difficult to read. Unfortunately,
> "SET FOR LIFE" displayed lots of small text. Compounding
> that, "SET FOR LIFE" often displayed that small text for a
> relat
> I think it has something to do with when he has being a Twitter
> troll a few years ago, but regardless this was a hard interview to listen
> to.
I found that Norm was hard to understand for technical reasons, and that it
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> By sheer accident, I find myself sitting on a big story in the world of LA
> radio, a shake-up in the on-air talent at one of the talk stations.
Can you do a podcast episode about it?
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Reading the Variety article, I noticed two things:
1. Vick will be on the pre-pregame show.
2. Variety needs to upgrade its copy editing.
Focusing on the TV part, it will be easy for those who want to watch
football but avoid Vick to do so. While I happen to agree with PGage here,
I respect that
> Wow - he was one of those people who was on TV *constantly* in the
sixties
> and seventies. Kind of like William Schallert, except I don't think
> Anderson did much comedy.
Exactly. As you and Bob both mentioned, all those classic series that are
now on the sideband channels seem to include Ande
I'll settle for Monster Chiller Horror Theater.
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As I understand it, the rules are:
The primary game, which is the one that the506 has on the map, will be
shown to its conclusion.* If it's a lopsided enough game (there are
official criteria), the network can switch to another, more competitive,
game, which they'll show to its conclusion.
If the
Aaron will always be the Chief here.
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> after all, Ed kept saying "Hollywood" every night at the top of the "
Tonight
> Show" even if they were in Burbank
Often, Johnny would then go on to explain how they were actually in
Burbank, so he could joke about the age of the residents, or refer to
"Burbank's famed Restaurant Row."
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> It is hard to tell from my vantage point if this is being covered much on
> national TV.
It's leading the network newscasts. They may be using local Bay Area
reporters, but they're certainly covering it.
Stay safe, etc. I'd think you'd be able to smell if some of the perishable
food had perishe
That's really cool, Melissa. If you don't mind my asking, how much were
tickets?
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> Ha! I rarely respond to email so quickly, but I'm leaving on a trip this
> morning, and it's a pain to type on an iPad.
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> The answer's a bit complicated
Thanks, and enjoy the trip.
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> The best part of the episode was the sketch on giving an award to an old
ad
> guys whose old material was so offensive; that was hilarious and had some
> texture to it.
As someone old enough to remember those days, I was struck by how no ad,
even then, would have used the taglines that offended
> I do notice that a lot of times a station will show the 4:05 game, so
they
> won't compete with the home team, even if the home team is lousy. Any
> reason for that?
If it's a home game, there can't be another game on by rule. Even for road
games, local team ratings crush other games, even for b
A New York Times piece on how markets get games:
https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/11/19/sports/football/why-people-in-mississippi-have-to-watch-the-giants.html
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