I can't think of another merged spinoff but there are a lot of uncomfortable cross overs of incompatible shows. NBC's storm night comes to mind and not in a good way.
On Sun, Dec 2, 2012 at 4:49 AM, <tvornottv@googlegroups.com> wrote: > Today's Topic Summary > > Group: http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv/topics > > - CW's Wonder Woman TV series synopsis<#13b5b05894f24927_group_thread_0>[7 > Updates] > - And the latest celebrity to divorce after authoring a book on family > and relationships is... <#13b5b05894f24927_group_thread_1> [2 Updates] > - Maria Von Trapp 2013: Carrie > Underwood<#13b5b05894f24927_group_thread_2>[5 Updates] > - NewsCorp close to deal with Yankees' TV > channel<#13b5b05894f24927_group_thread_3>[1 Update] > - One Part iCarly + One Part Victorious > =<#13b5b05894f24927_group_thread_4>[1 Update] > > CW's Wonder Woman TV series > synopsis<http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv/t/c0c2b897bc57f729> > > "Kevin M." <drunkbastar...@gmail.com> Dec 01 12:19PM -0800 > > Ugh, sigh, and ugh again. The sentence that makes me want to vomit is > this > one, "People aren't looking for characters who have their act together > and > represent some unrealistic image of success and perfection. Rather, > they > relate to the journey of self-discovery..." Couldn't be farther from > the > truth in my case. I'm sick of f-ing "origin" stories. They are frankly > too > easy and too simplistic. The whole idea of superheroes is they are > larger > than life figure who embody the best in us -- they are not people we > can > relate to -- they are people we should constantly aspire to be. But > Hollywood doesn't like that concept, preferring to deconstruct > perfection > and find flaws where there aren't any. > > > > http://www.g4tv.com/thefeed/blog/post/729638/wonder-woman-tv-series-plot-details/ > > -- > Kevin M. (RPCV) > > > > > Jim Ellwanger <train...@ellwanger.tv> Dec 01 12:54PM -0800 > > On Dec 1, 2012, at 12:19 PM, Kevin M. wrote: > > > The sentence that makes me want to vomit is this one, "People aren't > looking for characters who have their act together and represent some > unrealistic image of success and perfection. Rather, they relate to the > journey of self-discovery..." > > I stopped at this: "...DC Comics' bikini-clad..." > > I have examined Wonder Woman's costume in great detail, and I can tell > you that it's not a bikini. > > -- > Jim Ellwanger <train...@ellwanger.tv> > <http://www.ellwanger.tv> > > > > > Bob in Jersey <bob.in.jer...@juno.com> Dec 01 01:05PM -0800 > > Do we thank *Spider-Man* in all its various forms for this mindset? -- > BOB > > > > > "Kevin M." <drunkbastar...@gmail.com> Dec 01 05:25PM -0800 > > > > Do we thank *Spider-Man* in all its various forms for this mindset? > -- > > BOB > > > All of the recent franchises that insist on starting over are to > thank/blame. I concede, as a writer it is difficult to write for an > invulnerable character, but the trick is to have compelling supporting > characters who can advance a storyline. The Bond and Batman franchises > learned quickly to make it about the villains and the love interests, > but I > don't think any version of Superman has ever quite nailed that idea > (though > Lois and Clark probably came closest of all the on screen adaptations). > > I am not really a Marvel guy, so I've always struggled with Spidey and > the > Avengers and the X-Men. I thought Jennifer Garner looked amazing as > Elektra, but that's all I can really say about that character. > > I get it. All superheroes were awkward youths who were > different/isolated, > then fate/destiny/radiation played a role, and now they are imbued with > superhuman abilities. Got it. Check. Understood. All points registered. > Now, MOVE ON and tell a compelling story with all of that backstory as > a > given. There is no need to make the backstory into the main story. To > keep > doing so is just laziness on everybody's part. > -- > Kevin M. (RPCV) > > > > > David Bruggeman <bru...@yahoo.com> Dec 01 06:38PM -0800 > > The Man of Steel movie will put Superman through this process next > year. With A-listers cast for Supe's parents, it's seems likely that > origin story will take a significant part of the film. And while Zack > Snyder is directing, both Christopher Nolan and David Goyer are involved. > > David > > > > > > > > PGage <pga...@gmail.com> Dec 01 10:46PM -0800 > > > learned quickly to make it about the villains and the love > interests, but I > > don't think any version of Superman has ever quite nailed that idea > (though > > Lois and Clark probably came closest of all the on screen > adaptations). > > I don't really agree with you Kevin here in general, and in particular > I > disagree about Bond - at least in its latest (and, with all due > respect to > Sir Sean, the best) incarnation, there has been quite a bit of focus on > Bond and his backstory, to wonderful effect. In Skyfall there is also > quite a bit of attention paid to the villan's backstory, and they have > been > quite transparent about trying to make his villainy interior, not > exterior. > > I know a lot of folks on this list are real comic book guys; I am not > (when > I was 10 I walked to the corner liquor store and bought 5 comic books > with > my saved up allowance; my mom threw a fit and forbade me from ever > reading > them. Unlike lots of kids I guess, I listened to my mother). I only > ever > got interested in superheros when they started paying attention to the > backstory and the psychology (though my understanding is that there is > a > lot of that in both the Batman and Spiderman comics anyway?). > > > > > "Kevin M." <drunkbastar...@gmail.com> Dec 01 11:12PM -0800 > > > quite a bit of attention paid to the villan's backstory, and they > have been > > quite transparent about trying to make his villainy interior, not > exterior. > > > I thought I was clear that Bond was one of the few exceptions > inasmuch as > they rebooted the franchise but they made it work. Same with Batman, > and > they do so largely by granting the premise the hero will prevail and > focusing on telling a compelling story of how he will prevail. I don't > care > if Bond got beaten up as child or that he never got the bicycle he > wanted > for Christmas, and I like that Bond doesn't seem to care about those > things, either. Not to spoil Skyfall for anyone, but by the end of the > film, Bond IS Bond, and if you look at the three Daniel Craig movies, > there > wasn't all that much origin in there, yet audiences were still able to > see > him evolve into the ultimate secret agent. They were able to do it > without > showing Bond's parents dying, or Bond getting recruited into MI-6, or > Bond's first clumsy attempt to seduce a woman or thwart a villain. We > didn't see Bond's novice angst, though we did see him mature in a more > subtle manner. And you can't say the same about Reeve as Superman or > Spider-Man or the individual Avengers films or the Burton Batman, > where we > had to have every moment of vulnerability rammed so far down our > throats > that we expelled them gaseously. > > > > backstory and the psychology (though my understanding is that there > is a > > lot of that in both the Batman and Spiderman comics anyway?). > > > The only reason the comics seem to pay attention to backstory is that > whenever a new writer takes over a book (or a character), he seems > intent > on reimagining the origin. Then there is DC's much maligned reboot of > their > entire line of comics which has annoyed a lot of longtime readers. In > comic > world, the best selling books seem to be when superheroes either team > up or > fight each other, and no origin is needed for either of those concepts. > > I don't mind looking at the psychology of the heroes, but one doesn't > need > to start over EVERY TIME in order to gaze into the mind of a hero. At > this > stage, anybody who needs to know the beginnings of a character who has > existed for decades can Google it. To keep rehashing the same moment > of a > character's life is sloppy writing and not very creative. > > -- > Kevin M. (RPCV) > > > > And the latest celebrity to divorce after authoring a book on family > and relationships > is...<http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv/t/f1a07ee57d602027> > > "Kevin M." <drunkbastar...@gmail.com> Dec 01 03:34PM -0800 > > Bialik appeared with the Scottish Conan Guy last night. She was > obviously > not a regular watcher of the show, and there were obviously a lot of > off-limits topics (no mention of divorce or of her theories on > parenting). > Not awkward, but she struggled to play along. > -- > Kevin M. (RPCV) > > > > > David Bruggeman <bru...@yahoo.com> Dec 01 06:29PM -0800 > > Hmm. Haven't seen it yet, but I'm guessing she either didn't talk > about Craig with her co-stars (who have all been on the show), or their > efforts were basically encouraging her to appear. > > David > > > > > > > Maria Von Trapp 2013: Carrie > Underwood<http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv/t/296691ab70fa07c0> > > Jon Delfin <jondel...@gmail.com> Dec 01 07:30AM -0500 > > Didn't Fantasia do a stint in "The Color Purple"? > > > > > > > "Melissa P" <takingupspace...@gmail.com> Dec 01 08:16AM -0500 > > Not to mention Tamyra Gray, Jordin Sparks, Taylor Hicks, and DeGarmo’s > fiancé, who’ve also done Broadway. > > From: tvornottv@googlegroups.com [mailto:tvornottv@googlegroups.com] On > Behalf Of M-D November > Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 1:36 AM > To: tvornottv@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: [TV orNotTV] Maria Von Trapp 2013: Carrie Underwood > > > > And don't forget AI DQ-turned-Voice finalist Frenchie Davis. After the > whole Idol to-do, she had a three year stint in "Rent" and went on to > do a > number of other productions. > > On Friday, November 30, 2012 11:47:14 PM UTC-5, MelissaP wrote: > > Make that three who “have at least some cred from musical theater > fans”: > > > > From today: > > > > http://www.playbill.com/news/article/172748-THE-SCREENING-ROOM-Happy-Birthda > y-Clay-Aiken-Video > > > > (And Carrie needs to work on her phrasing.) > > > > Despite all of Simon Cowell's "this isn't 'Cabaret Idol,' this is > 'American > Idol'" pronouncements, at least three "Idol" Top12ers have appeared on > Broadway and Constantine Maroulis and Diana DeGarmo have at least some > cred > from musical theater fans. > > -- > TV or Not TV .... The Smartest (TV) People! > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "TV or Not TV" group. > To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en > > > > > Bob in Jersey <bob.in.jer...@juno.com> Dec 01 12:52PM -0800 > > Melissa, to Mark J, in part: > > > > > http://www.playbill.com/news/article/172748-THE-SCREENING-ROOM-Happy-Birthday-Clay-Aiken-Video > > Tuesday, at a sold-out Musikfest Café, Bethlehem, PA. > > Aside: Does anyone know what exactly they call those National Park > Service > people who stand at exhibits inside parks, monuments, etc., and tell > applicable stories? > > -- BOB > > > > > Jim Ellwanger <train...@ellwanger.tv> Dec 01 12:55PM -0800 > > On Dec 1, 2012, at 12:52 PM, Bob in Jersey wrote: > > > Aside: Does anyone know what exactly they call those National Park > Service people who stand at exhibits inside parks, monuments, etc., and > tell applicable stories? > > They are rangers, even if they don't do much ranging. > > "Interpretation" is one part of the ranger job description. > > -- > Jim Ellwanger <train...@ellwanger.tv> > <http://www.ellwanger.tv> > > > > > Bob in Jersey <bob.in.jer...@juno.com> Dec 01 01:06PM -0800 > > Jim Ellwanger, to moi: > > > They are rangers, even if they don't do much ranging. > > > "Interpretation" is one part of the ranger job description. > > OK, that was my first guess... thanks. -- BOB > > > > NewsCorp close to deal with Yankees' TV > channel<http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv/t/ba3b9912d5ae72a9> > > Bob in Jersey <bob.in.jer...@juno.com> Dec 01 12:47PM -0800 > > Joe Hass, to moi, in part: > > profits from Yes and minimizing their risk for the obvious sports > rights > > bubble popping that's coming. > > > Can we consider them as the sports equivalent of rightie big-mouths > like > Beck and Limbaugh? > > > > The pop's comin' folks. And it's going to destroy organized sports > as we > > know it. Except for the NFL: they'll kill themselves because > football will > > die. > > I'll bet there are still people in this nation who think pro athletes > should have to work "normal" jobs in the offseason. > > -- BOB > > > > One Part iCarly + One Part Victorious > =<http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv/t/21312df47fc38e91> > > Joe Hass <hassgoc...@gmail.com> Dec 01 08:23AM -0600 > > a new show called "Sam & Cat" featuring 19-year-old Ariana Grande and > 20-year-old Jennette McCurdy as teenage babysitters. > > > > http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/icarly-victorious-spinoff-sam-cat-395824 > > But that's not why I'm posting this. > > Can anyone think of a spinoff that merged two different shows together > like this? > > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Group > tvornottv. > You can post via email <tvornottv@googlegroups.com>. > To unsubscribe from this group, > send<tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>an empty message. > For more options, visit <http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv/topics>this > group. > > -- > TV or Not TV .... 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