[twitter-dev] Re: TWITTER BANS 3rd PARTY ADVERTISING

2010-05-27 Thread Mo
Taylor, I'm glad Twitter thought to do this, but it still doesn't explain as clearly as Ryan's post here about what's acceptable and what's not. Not Acceptable: Paid Tweets injected into any timeline on a service that leverages the Twitter API (other than Promoted Tweets). This applies to any

[twitter-dev] Re: TWITTER BANS 3rd PARTY ADVERTISING

2010-05-27 Thread Dewald Pretorius
Mo, I think the word injected is causing the confusion. As I understand it it means: - I pull a list of tweets from the API into an array. - Before displaying the list to the user, I inject entries that look like tweets (but are actually entries I get paid to display) into that array. - Then I

[twitter-dev] Re: TWITTER BANS 3rd PARTY ADVERTISING

2010-05-27 Thread Mo
Dewald, Thanks for the clarification. What you're saying makes sense and is in line with what Ryan was saying. I hope you're right. On May 27, 2:35 pm, Dewald Pretorius dpr...@gmail.com wrote: Mo, I think the word injected is causing the confusion. As I understand it it means: - I pull

RE: [twitter-dev] Re: TWITTER BANS 3rd PARTY ADVERTISING

2010-05-26 Thread Dean Collins
@googlegroups.com [mailto:twitter-development- t...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Dewald Pretorius Sent: Monday, 24 May 2010 9:27 PM To: Twitter Development Talk Subject: [twitter-dev] Re: TWITTER BANS 3rd PARTY ADVERTISING Liz, You are 100% correct in summarizing the problem. Not only

[twitter-dev] Re: TWITTER BANS 3rd PARTY ADVERTISING

2010-05-26 Thread James Peter
-talk@googlegroups.com [mailto:twitter-development- t...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Dewald Pretorius Sent: Monday, 24 May 2010 9:27 PM To: Twitter Development Talk Subject: [twitter-dev] Re: TWITTER BANS 3rd PARTY ADVERTISING Liz, You are 100% correct in summarizing the problem

[twitter-dev] Re: TWITTER BANS 3rd PARTY ADVERTISING

2010-05-26 Thread Liz
I hope some answers are forthcoming, James. Twitter doesn't seem very talkative.

Re: [twitter-dev] Re: TWITTER BANS 3rd PARTY ADVERTISING

2010-05-26 Thread Taylor Singletary
Hello Everyone, We recently updated our Advertising FAQ to answer many of the questions that you may have. http://bit.ly/twitter-ad-faq Taylor On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 9:15 AM, Liz nwjersey...@gmail.com wrote: I hope some answers are forthcoming, James. Twitter doesn't seem very talkative.

[twitter-dev] Re: TWITTER BANS 3rd PARTY ADVERTISING

2010-05-26 Thread Dewald Pretorius
Taylor, Read this part of that FAQ: Paid Tweets injected into any timeline on a service that leverages the Twitter API (other than Promoted Tweets). This applies to any Twitter stream, whether user based, search based, or other. Do you realize how confusing that is? 1) Does it mean I can

Re: [twitter-dev] Re: TWITTER BANS 3rd PARTY ADVERTISING

2010-05-26 Thread Taylor Singletary
If you have specific questions about the policy, we have an email address you can send them to: twitter_...@twitter.com I unfortunately don't have answers for you beyond what's presented in the FAQ and the Terms of Service. Taylor On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 9:35 AM, Dewald Pretorius

[twitter-dev] Re: TWITTER BANS 3rd PARTY ADVERTISING

2010-05-26 Thread Liz
Sponsored Tweets at least announced that the content was advertising. I think this language will just lead to advertising without proper disclosure by the user (which was used in keeping with the FTC ruling on this issue). Some celebs bloggers will still accept money Tweet about products, just

RE: [twitter-dev] Re: TWITTER BANS 3rd PARTY ADVERTISING

2010-05-26 Thread Dean Collins
] Re: TWITTER BANS 3rd PARTY ADVERTISING Hello Everyone, We recently updated our Advertising FAQ to answer many of the questions that you may have. http://bit.ly/twitter-ad-faq Taylor On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 9:15 AM, Liz nwjersey...@gmail.com wrote: I hope some answers are forthcoming

[twitter-dev] Re: TWITTER BANS 3rd PARTY ADVERTISING

2010-05-26 Thread Dewald Pretorius
Taylor, Perhaps you should ask someone to add the http://bit.ly/twitter-ad-faq link as a further reading reference into the 2. Advertising Around Twitter Content section of the API TOS. Stuff is very fragmented at the moment, and you have to accidentally discover pages on separate domains just

Re: [twitter-dev] Re: TWITTER BANS 3rd PARTY ADVERTISING

2010-05-26 Thread Taylor Singletary
Dewald: I'll make that recommendation; I agree that relevant information should be grouped together as much as possible. Dean: The link to the support center FAQ on this topic is very clumsy and long; there are still a number of email clients out there that don't handle long links very well,

RE: [twitter-dev] Re: TWITTER BANS 3rd PARTY ADVERTISING

2010-05-25 Thread mycroftt
I stopped development on my Twitter appa year after realizing that the twitter API was not yet stable enough to allow an individual developer to create a stable product. I continue to follow the exchange between developers and Twitter as much for entertainment as to keep track. Twitter understands

Re: [twitter-dev] Re: TWITTER BANS 3rd PARTY ADVERTISING

2010-05-25 Thread Dossy Shiobara
So, Tweetie for Mac, which shows an ad at the top of my friends timeline ... will no longer be allowed to do so? http://i.imgur.com/pazT3.png Is this another misinterpretation of the policy, too? On 5/25/10 1:28 AM, Ryan Sarver wrote: It *does prohibit* an application from calling out to a

[twitter-dev] Re: TWITTER BANS 3rd PARTY ADVERTISING

2010-05-25 Thread Liz
On May 25, 1:28 am, Ryan Sarver rsar...@twitter.com wrote: The language is somewhat nuanced but it sounds like we might need to make the policy more explicit as a number of people are misinterpreting it. It sounds like most people are misinterpreting it which might have to do with how the

Re: [twitter-dev] Re: TWITTER BANS 3rd PARTY ADVERTISING

2010-05-25 Thread Nick Arnett
On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 4:16 AM, mycro...@lifewithindustry.com wrote: I stopped development on my Twitter app a year after realizing that the twitter API was not yet stable enough to allow an individual developer to create a stable product. I continue to follow the exchange between

RE: [twitter-dev] Re: TWITTER BANS 3rd PARTY ADVERTISING

2010-05-25 Thread Steel Sendras Group
[mailto:twitter-development-t...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of mycro...@lifewithindustry.com Sent: Tuesday, 25 May, 2010 4:46 pm To: twitter-development-talk@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [twitter-dev] Re: TWITTER BANS 3rd PARTY ADVERTISING I stopped development on my Twitter app a year after

[twitter-dev] Re: TWITTER BANS 3rd PARTY ADVERTISING

2010-05-25 Thread mhansell
I'd love to see some clarification from Dick on this statement and/or a possible change in the TOS. The press has wildly heralded it as the end of all advertising on Twitter not coming from Promoted Tweets. Even if this is not true the public perception certain impacts all of our

[twitter-dev] Re: TWITTER BANS 3rd PARTY ADVERTISING

2010-05-25 Thread Mo
Ryan, Thanks for writing the clarification. It sounds as if the intent of the ban is to prevent anyone from emulating and distributing a stream of Twitter data to Twitter mobile/web/desktop clients and inserting ads into it. Tweets posted in individual accounts by account owners or by

[twitter-dev] Re: TWITTER BANS 3rd PARTY ADVERTISING

2010-05-24 Thread Mo
Just so that I'm clear, the fact that Twitter chose to do this isn't a surprise. It's the fact that I've been participating in events, developing, networking, and building a team all year AFTER getting affirmations from individuals at Twitter that I had nothing to worry about in building a

[twitter-dev] Re: TWITTER BANS 3rd PARTY ADVERTISING

2010-05-24 Thread Duane Roelands
The way this reads, you can't even have a WordPress blog that puts ads near a Twitter stream.  Please correct me if I'm misinterpreting this. You're misinterpreting it. There's not a problem if you're displaying a Twitter feed on a page and there are ads -near- it. What is now forbidden is

Re: [twitter-dev] Re: TWITTER BANS 3rd PARTY ADVERTISING

2010-05-24 Thread Peter Denton
I want to voice support of this decision. I build third party apps that are 100% about consuming, purposing, and displaying tweet streams. If different clients inevitably begin selling tweet injections, I really don't want to deal with those on my end. The tweet stream should remain a pure data

[twitter-dev] Re: TWITTER BANS 3rd PARTY ADVERTISING

2010-05-24 Thread Mo
Peter, The strength of Twitter is that the user has control, not a developer. If they want to post an offer on their page, or anything else for that matter, for pay or just because they want to share one, they should be allowed to. The Twitter infrastructure is a great filter for weeding out

Re: [twitter-dev] Re: TWITTER BANS 3rd PARTY ADVERTISING

2010-05-24 Thread Lil Peck
Does this mean that any tweet that promotes any event or item that is not free (Such as, Tickets to the 2011 National Finals Rodeo go on sale tomorrow.) violates the TOS?

[twitter-dev] Re: TWITTER BANS 3rd PARTY ADVERTISING

2010-05-24 Thread Liz
Peter, I think the problem is that business have been created, received funding and developed over the past year, with the full knowledge of Twitter, and this just undercuts destroys them. I think people can understand the rationale (and the desire for Twitter to eliminate competition) but this

Re: [twitter-dev] Re: TWITTER BANS 3rd PARTY ADVERTISING

2010-05-24 Thread Lil Peck
On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 1:56 PM, Liz nwjersey...@gmail.com wrote: And users own their own tweets. and allow adult-oriented content and photos but for some reason, users can't Tweet ads. That sounds like control of content to me. Amen

[twitter-dev] Re: TWITTER BANS 3rd PARTY ADVERTISING

2010-05-24 Thread Dewald Pretorius
Liz, You are 100% correct in summarizing the problem. Not only were those businesses built with the full knowledge of Twitter, Twitter even had specific rules governing sponsored tweets (had to be clearly marked as sponsored, etc.). I'm really baffled by this decision of Twitter, because I don't

Re: [twitter-dev] Re: TWITTER BANS 3rd PARTY ADVERTISING

2010-05-24 Thread Harshad RJ
As I interpret it they don't want clients to inject ads in the stream at the display end. Not at the posting end. On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 11:56 PM, Lil Peck lilp...@gmail.com wrote: Does this mean that any tweet that promotes any event or item that is not free (Such as, Tickets to the 2011

[twitter-dev] Re: TWITTER BANS 3rd PARTY ADVERTISING

2010-05-24 Thread Eric Woodward
At this point I am not why anyone that cares enough to be in this group is surprised. It is clear that Twitter is going to take *everything* for themselves. I don't understand why anyone would continue to develop on Twitter's platform as anything more than a hobby. First it was us (Twitter

[twitter-dev] Re: TWITTER BANS 3rd PARTY ADVERTISING

2010-05-24 Thread PeterE
I think developers, other than those who have built a business serving in-stream ads, are freaking out for no reason. Let's start with the in- stream ad companies. If you built these applications and did not see this coming you deserve this. Apps that used the Twitter API to serve in-stream ads

Re: [twitter-dev] Re: TWITTER BANS 3rd PARTY ADVERTISING

2010-05-24 Thread Ryan Sarver
I want to make sure this part is clear -- this policy change isn't meant to say that we are going to start policing if the content of something a user tweets is an ad or not. The policy change affects 3rd party services that were putting ads in the middle of a timeline. So if Liz is paid by

Re: [twitter-dev] Re: TWITTER BANS 3rd PARTY ADVERTISING

2010-05-24 Thread M. Edward (Ed) Borasky
Quoting Ryan Sarver rsar...@twitter.com: I want to make sure this part is clear -- this policy change isn't meant to say that we are going to start policing if the content of something a user tweets is an ad or not. The policy change affects 3rd party services that were putting ads in the