I feel a little dumb asking this but IBM's site isn't exactly informative
with my question---
What are the principle differences between UV and UD anyway?
Thanks,
Gabe
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Gabe,
Don't feel dumb. The first thing to understand is that they started
life as separate products from separate companies. VMark (UniVerse) and
UniData (UniData) merged to become Ardent. Then Informix bought Ardent
and then IBM bought Informix.
So, historically, they are two vastly diff
ect list:(Y/N)?
During any conversions, one must be very careful about these idiosyncrasies.
10) UniVerse now has triggers on hashed files (non-SQL'ized). UniData has
had them for awhile and they're probably more stable.
There are more but this should be a decent list to work from. Ho
Bill
Thanks for the re-posting!
For all - PLEASE can we make sure we don't turn the answers to this into a
'which is better' contest... They're generally devisive and won't change
anyone's mind.
Brief list of major differences:
- ECLTYPE vs FLAVOR
UniData has two built-in ECL types. These broa
Adding to Brian Leach's and Bill Haskett's posts, and I fully support that
we will not get into which is better for they are different due to their
lineage as Charles stated.
Structural Differences:
High Availability - UniData's before and after image capabilities in the
Recoverable File Syste
Unix boxes.
--Bill
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I feel a little dumb asking this but IBM's site
Sorry Bill but thats not correct. Both UV and UD were developed around
the same time by two separate companies, UV by Vmark and UD by
(amazingly enough) Unidata. Both were written in C. UV was introduced
(IIRC) about a year before UD. Both were Unix based implementations of
Prime Computers (Pri
"Many little extended syntax elements
are not supported: for example the standard substring delimiter formats
Variable[2,3] is supported but not Variable[3] and Variable[",",2,1]. Lots
of other subtle differences. "
Variable[3] will work on UD if the point is to bring back the rightmost 3
charact
I wonder if these answers could be turned into the start of a U2UG
Knowledgebase entry.
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I wonder if these answers could be turned into the start of a U2UG
Knowledgebase entry.
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I've always thought that there was a difference of philosophy from Day 1
that underlied the 2 organizations that manifests itself in the
software:
Vmark/UV: "All things to all men, that I might by all means sell to
some."
(If you'll allow me to misquote St. Paul.)
UniData: "Do it righ
tep up, hopefully.
In my humble or sometime not so humble opinion.
Tom Dodds
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Okay,
I have been sucked into this conversation:
I would also
suggest that if the UniData folks were satisfied with PI/PI Open/
UniVerse,
they would not have gone to the trouble of creating UniData.
The early versions of Unidata were poor cousins to PI/Open (imho).
One of the Unidata engin
On 4/30/07, Richard Nuckolls <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Okay,
I have been sucked into this conversation:
Ditto.
> I would also
> suggest that if the UniData folks were satisfied with PI/PI Open/
> UniVerse,
> they would not have gone to the trouble of creating UniData.
Given the little I
ences between UV and UD
Sorry Bill but thats not correct. Both UV and UD were developed around
the same time by two separate companies, UV by Vmark and UD by
(amazingly enough) Unidata. Both were written in C. UV was introduced
(IIRC) about a year before UD. Both were Unix based implementatio
Google sez:
Vmark was founded in 1984; Unidata in 1986. I did not find a date
for PI/Open.
If I remember correctly Vmark built the first releases of PI on
Unix for Prime.
Highly doubtful. Vmark was a direct competitor of Prime. The
original Prime Information was written by Devcom in
All of this sounds right to me. I had jumped ship by this time.
Tom Dodds
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My memory is a bit rusty, I think we released the first release of
PI/Open in 1989.
Richard Nuckolls wrote:
Google sez:
Vmark was founded in 1984; Unidata in 1986. I did not find a date for
PI/Open.
If I remember correctly Vmark built the first releases of PI on Unix
for Prime.
Highl
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Thanks Lance,
Ah, I had forgotten about PI/EXL. I could not believe that Universe had
anything to do with the core of PI/Open.
-Rick
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left Prime, in January 1990, PI-Open did not exist or a least it
wasn't being offered yet.
Jerry
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en I
> left Prime, in January 1990, PI-Open did not exist or a least it
> wasn't being offered yet.
> Jerry
>
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that is PI/pc not PI/Open that came from Cosmos...
Dawn Wolthuis wrote:
Yes, I second (or third) that. PI/Open came from the Rev folks and had
nothing to do with UniVerse until it was acquired it after Prime's
demise. --dawn
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Oops, yes, that is what I meant. Thanks. --dawn
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that is PI/pc not PI/Open that came from Cosmos...
Dawn Wolthuis wrote:
> Yes, I second (or third) that. PI/Open came from the Rev folks and had
> nothing to do with UniVerse until it was
Of
>Stevenson, Charles
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>I've always thought that there was a difference of philosophy
>from Day 1 that underlied the 2 organizations that manifests
>it
As a matter of fact Vmark was located in one of Prime's old buildings on
Speen Street.
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Sorry Bill
If I remember correctly Vmark built the first releases of PI on Unix for
Prime.
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proprietary minicomputers
Vmark built the first releases of PI on Unix
for Prime.
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proprietary minicomputers of the time. It took sev
Thanks Lance,
Ah, I had forgotten about PI/EXL. I could not believe that Universe
had anything to do with the core of PI/Open.
-Rick
On Apr 30, 2007, at 2:17 PM, Lance J. Andersen wrote:
We rebranded a a version of uniVerse as PI/EXL prior to the release
of PI/Open. PI/Open, was *not*
Richard Nuckolls wrote:
Thanks Lance,
anytime.
Ah, I had forgotten about PI/EXL. I could not believe that Universe
had anything to do with the core of PI/Open.
Hard to believe it has been 20 + years since PI/EXL... where did the
time go
-Rick
On Apr 30, 2007, at 2:17 PM, Lance J. And
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