Onsdag 24. juli 2013 12.08.32 skrev Alex Midence:
> I'll create a virtual machine and begin testing before the month is up. Do
> I need to have something like Fedora Rawhide or Ubuntu 13.10 to test in an
> environment that will give you valuable data?
No, any reasonalbly recent linux distro shoul
Hi, Luke,
Just to be clear, I don't think and have never thought you were part of the
problem. What I do think is that it sucks that you are the only one having
to do all this work. They really should hire you some help. There is only
so much one person can do and a11y is a big job. Apple has
Hello,
On Tuesday 23. July 2013 13.23.47 Alex Midence wrote:
> Hi, all,
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> It looks like Ubuntu's Unity desktop will be switching to QT/QML in the near
> future. It looks like they'll be using QT5. Does anyone know the current
> state of accessibility for qt5 or QML? We were all disappo
The way accessibility was approached by Google is pretty smart. Eyes-free
they call it implying that someone who can see might choose to operate their
smartphone without using their vision. This is so they can keep their eyes
on the road, for instance. Thus, it became something valuable to inclu
It strikes me that, from the perspective you're describing, a "viable
product" apparently does not include accessibility as a matter of
course. (I'm not saying that's your own view, but only that this is the
view you describe--all too well and concisely.) Until our access needs
are deemed equa
I'll create a virtual machine and begin testing before the month is up. Do
I need to have something like Fedora Rawhide or Ubuntu 13.10 to test in an
environment that will give you valuable data?
Alex M
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From: Frederik Gladhorn [mailto:frede...@gladhorn.de]
Sent: We
Hi,
On mardi 23 juil. 2013 à 15:38:37 (-0500), Christopher Chaltain wrote:
> In Unity, you can use the alt+f10 key to bring up the global menus,
> arrow left to get to the devices pull down and then down arrow to
> shutdown.
Excellent! Thanks! it works fine. But given there's a desktop, is it pos
Very true. The thing that I want to test is editable text areas in QT.
That was the biggest problem I saw last year when I was trying out KDE. If
you were in Kate or Kmail and there was some text you wanted to put in
either because you were editing a file or filling out a form of some kind,
Orca
Hi,
Thanks Luke for this very interesting mail. I'm aware of accessibility issues
in the modern free software world, and I try everyday to go on belfeving more
success, even if I'm disappointed by recent GUI. But I go on trying to
understand.
You say that GNOME shell works fine today. I feel tha
I hadn't heard that one. I don't know how someone would have had a case
against Apple since there was a largely accessible alternative in the form
of Windows or Windows Mobile. All through my years growing up, Apple and
inaccessible were more or less synonymous. I remember how pleasantly
surpris
Wonderful news! I certainly feel better for it. Thanks for all your hard
work on qt-at-spi.
Alex M
From: Frederik Gladhorn [mailto:frede...@gladhorn.de]
Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2013 3:21 AM
To: kde-accessibil...@kde.org
Cc: Alex Midence; orca-l...@gnome.org; vinux-supp...@googlegr
Onsdag 24. juli 2013 08.47.34 skrev Alex Midence:
> Very true. The thing that I want to test is editable text areas in QT.
> That was the biggest problem I saw last year when I was trying out KDE. If
> you were in Kate or Kmail and there was some text you wanted to put in
> either because you wer
Hi,
On mardi 23 juil. 2013 à 15:38:37 (-0500), Christopher Chaltain wrote:
> In Unity, you can use the alt+f10 key to bring up the global menus,
> arrow left to get to the devices pull down and then down arrow to
> shutdown.
Excellent! Thanks! it works fine. But given there's a desktop, is it pos
I hadn't heard that Apple was actually sued. My understanding was that
back when Windows had an accessible option through 3rd party screen
readers and Apple had no screen reader at all that Apple was losing out
to Microsoft, or at least had the potential to lose such deals, when
selling system
I agree. You also see this on all of the GPS apps which provide turn by
turn spoken directions. True accessibility, for a blind user though,
does need to go a bit beyond just what needs to be done for eyes free use.
On 07/24/2013 03:24 PM, Alex Midence wrote:
The way accessibility was approach
I know you didn't say this, but Mark Shuttleworth and Jane Silver are
aware that totally blind people can use computers and smart phones. I
think you're right in that it's hard for any one to quantify their
return on investment into accessibility, even a smart business man or
woman. I'm not eve
I think the issue here is the total mindset and also the fact that many
so called smart business men don't realize the business they can
generate out of accessibility.
Firstly, there are those who don't *still* beleive that a totaly blind
person like me can actually use a Phone, let alone a comp
I haven't done this myself, but since the Desktop is just a folder in
your home directory, you can place symbolic links to applications you
want to start into that folder. I did this just now with a link to
/usr/lib/thunderbird/thunderbird.sh.
On 07/24/2013 11:07 AM, Jean-Philippe MENGUAL wrot
I agree accessibility should be baked in from the beginning. It's
cheaper than bolting it on later, opens up more revenue streams,
provides positive PR and so on. It's the law here in the US, and just
the right thing to do. I wasn't speaking from my own opinion, but just
echoing where I think t
I agree it's unfortunate that Luke is the only one working on Unity
accessibility, but there is a big difference between Canonical and Apple
or Google. Apple is the wealthiest company in the world. Google is also
a large company and is also quite profitable. Apple and Google are
already well es
yeah, I had tryed as well and had the same problem.
I think there could be some more things to test and if they are not
fundamentally broke, then we are in for a happy surprise.
I would be interested to see how Firefox works under this infra
structure and how libre office works as well.
Person
This essentially means we must try things pretty early on and start
reporting bugs agressively.
happy hacking.
Krishnakant.
On 07/24/2013 06:37 PM, Alex Midence wrote:
Wonderful news! I certainly feel better for it. Thanks for all your hard
work on qt-at-spi.
Alex M
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