Re: [ubuntu-art] Canonical's approach to Jaunty

2008-11-06 Thread Adam
On Thu, 2008-11-06 at 18:40 +0200, supermod wrote: > On Wed, 2008-11-05 at 01:11 +0100, Adam wrote: > > i dont like to show osx as an example but look at this pic: > > http://www.macupdate.com/images/screens/uploaded/26915_scr.png > > look at the details, the timeline at the bottom, the glassy ba

Re: [ubuntu-art] Canonical's approach to Jaunty

2008-11-06 Thread supermod
On Wed, 2008-11-05 at 01:11 +0100, Adam wrote: > i dont like to show osx as an example but look at this pic: > http://www.macupdate.com/images/screens/uploaded/26915_scr.png > look at the details, the timeline at the bottom, the glassy bars etc, > its all impossible in gtk. Cimi coded the rgba sup

Re: [ubuntu-art] Canonical's approach to Jaunty

2008-11-05 Thread Adam
> At the current state I would bet on three (or more years) until things are > really done. Trust me, I was involved in the kde 3 to 4 transition and it has > taken more time than planned. > > -- > Ken > so how are we gonna compete with others who already have the features what gtk develope

Re: [ubuntu-art] Canonical's approach to Jaunty

2008-11-04 Thread Kenneth Wimer
On Wednesday 05 November 2008 01:41:01 Ryan Prior wrote: > GTK is becoming a dinosaur, and the GTK developers realize this to some > extent - that's why they're allowing for API breakages with GTK 3, which > should be coming out within a year or two. Hopefully they break them enough > that we can r

Re: [ubuntu-art] Canonical's approach to Jaunty

2008-11-04 Thread Ryan Prior
GTK is becoming a dinosaur, and the GTK developers realize this to some extent - that's why they're allowing for API breakages with GTK 3, which should be coming out within a year or two. Hopefully they break them enough that we can really get a lot done. :-) On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 6:26 PM, Adam <

Re: [ubuntu-art] Canonical's approach to Jaunty

2008-11-04 Thread Kenneth Wimer
On Wednesday 05 November 2008 01:26:55 Adam wrote: > > Implementing rgba support in gtk is a tricky issue. I openly offered > > to > > sponsor someone to implement this and nobody would do it. In my > > experience it > > is almost impossible to change gtk, even if you are willing to pay for > > it.

Re: [ubuntu-art] Canonical's approach to Jaunty

2008-11-04 Thread Adam
> > Implementing rgba support in gtk is a tricky issue. I openly offered > to > sponsor someone to implement this and nobody would do it. In my > experience it > is almost impossible to change gtk, even if you are willing to pay for > it. > > -- > Ken > does it mean that gnomes experience s

Re: [ubuntu-art] Canonical's approach to Jaunty

2008-11-04 Thread Kenneth Wimer
On Wednesday 05 November 2008 01:11:07 Adam wrote: > i dont like to show osx as an example but look at this pic: > http://www.macupdate.com/images/screens/uploaded/26915_scr.png > look at the details, the timeline at the bottom, the glassy bars etc, > its all impossible in gtk. Cimi coded the rgba

Re: [ubuntu-art] Canonical's approach to Jaunty

2008-11-04 Thread Kenneth Wimer
On Wednesday 05 November 2008 00:50:28 Michael Stephenson wrote: > I can't see how you could use up some of the wasted space without adding > redundant buttons, perhaps making the control buttons central would make it > appear as if less space was being wasted? I'd need to see a mockup of a > bette

Re: [ubuntu-art] Canonical's approach to Jaunty

2008-11-04 Thread Adam
i dont like to show osx as an example but look at this pic: http://www.macupdate.com/images/screens/uploaded/26915_scr.png look at the details, the timeline at the bottom, the glassy bars etc, its all impossible in gtk. Cimi coded the rgba support for gtk, did they implemented it? signature.asc

Re: [ubuntu-art] Canonical's approach to Jaunty

2008-11-04 Thread Adam
> > The gnome panel simply needs help...probably won't ever happen, just like > major gtk changes...too So they dont even plan on improving gtk? signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.c

Re: [ubuntu-art] Canonical's approach to Jaunty

2008-11-04 Thread Michael Stephenson
I can't see how you could use up some of the wasted space without adding redundant buttons, perhaps making the control buttons central would make it appear as if less space was being wasted? I'd need to see a mockup of a better totem to be convinced it needs work. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu

Re: [ubuntu-art] Canonical's approach to Jaunty

2008-11-04 Thread Kenneth Wimer
On Wednesday 05 November 2008 00:33:38 Kenneth Wimer wrote: > On Wednesday 05 November 2008 00:30:50 Michael Stephenson wrote: > > 2008/11/4 Adam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > rhythmbox and nautilus or totem, or openoffice which is the ugliest > > > thing ever. > > > > What do people expect from t

Re: [ubuntu-art] Canonical's approach to Jaunty

2008-11-04 Thread Adam
On Wed, 2008-11-05 at 00:33 +0100, Kenneth Wimer wrote: > On Wednesday 05 November 2008 00:30:50 Michael Stephenson wrote: > > 2008/11/4 Adam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > rhythmbox and nautilus or totem, or openoffice which is the ugliest > > > thing ever. > > > > What do people expect from to

Re: [ubuntu-art] Canonical's approach to Jaunty

2008-11-04 Thread Kenneth Wimer
On Wednesday 05 November 2008 00:30:50 Michael Stephenson wrote: > 2008/11/4 Adam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > rhythmbox and nautilus or totem, or openoffice which is the ugliest > > thing ever. > > What do people expect from totem? its a media player, it has a viewing > window play/pause, skip forwa

Re: [ubuntu-art] Canonical's approach to Jaunty

2008-11-04 Thread Michael Stephenson
2008/11/4 Adam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > rhythmbox and nautilus or totem, or openoffice which is the ugliest thing > ever. > > What do people expect from totem? its a media player, it has a viewing window play/pause, skip forwards and skip backwards and volume, how do you jazz that up without adding

Re: [ubuntu-art] Canonical's approach to Jaunty

2008-11-04 Thread Adam
i totally agree.. the new murrine engines gives us an awsome tool, but it wont help applications like rhythmbox and nautilus or totem, or openoffice which is the ugliest thing ever. I know its more like suns fault or the gnome developers. gnome doesnt have any improvements at all. its like one more

[ubuntu-art] Canonical's approach to Jaunty

2008-11-04 Thread Joshua Booth
Doesn't this boil down to bugging the makers of Gnome? Where are the improvements that we should be seeing? Windows 7 is already on its way here and Gnome has the same old stuff. Sure, some updates in Intrepid, but nothing really special. It all comes down to coding, in reality. Perhaps it's our jo

Re: [ubuntu-art] Canonical's approach to Jaunty

2008-11-04 Thread Ryan Prior
Hear hear; a lot of the talk/whining about theming engines boils down to a desire to put more lipstick on the pigs that are Nautilus, Rhythmbox, Firefox, etc. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art

Re: [ubuntu-art] Canonical's approach to Jaunty

2008-11-04 Thread John Baer
On Tue, 2008-11-04 at 12:00 +, Bharat Varma wrote: > > Neil Patel posted some flickr mockups of a possible Ubuntu desktop > about an > year ago, using an engine called 'Avant', which was based off the > Murrine > build at the time. I am not sure if this progressed any further from > those > mo

Re: [ubuntu-art] Canonical's approach to Jaunty ?

2008-11-04 Thread Matthew Nuzum
On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 9:49 AM, José Luis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Check this: https://launchpad.net/~dx-team > They've made a team with masclow, Neil Patel, Ted Gould and mpt. > MacSLow and Patel are (along with smspillaz) the kings of the pimp! > Let's see what crazy things happen in this t

[ubuntu-art] Canonical's approach to Jaunty ?

2008-11-04 Thread José Luis
Check this: https://launchpad.net/~dx-team They've made a team with masclow, Neil Patel, Ted Gould and mpt. MacSLow and Patel are (along with smspillaz) the kings of the pimp! Let's see what crazy things happen in this team -- José Luis Ricón <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubun

[ubuntu-art] Canonical's approach to Jaunty ?

2008-11-03 Thread Bharat Varma
Neil Patel posted some flickr mockups of a possible Ubuntu desktop about an year ago, using an engine called 'Avant', which was based off the Murrine build at the time. I am not sure if this progressed any further from those mockups. The thread on Ubuntu Forums is http://ubuntuforums.org/showthrea