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I was asked to review this bug to see if it still exists.
(By the way I experience this strategy repeatedly: do nothing on a bug, wait if
time helps, and then ask the submitter to reproduce it... Great way of handling
bugs...)
This bug is more than five years old, and I became used to living
Andreas Schiffer, just to be clear, I am a volunteer who did not even
know your bug existed until I commented on it. Despite this, this bug
report is being closed due to your last comment regarding you no longer
having the hardware. For future reference you can manage the status of
your own bugs
Andreas Schiffer, this bug was reported a while ago and there hasn't
been any activity in it recently. We were wondering if this is still an
issue? Can you try with the latest development release of Ubuntu? ISO CD
images are available from http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/ .
If it remains an
@ANYONE
what's happen to this bug?
We are destined to recompile the kernel everytime to get a decent boot?
(especially for me that i've upgrade my notebook with an ssd disk...)
this is a bad perspective..
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I confirm that I also see this bug in Maverick, occuring on a macbook
pro. Would anyone like to comment if I should start a new bug report,
or if this one will be revisited by the developers?
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It's almost impossible that this is the same bug because apple produce
their own laptops.
But to check - see comment 10 and look for the very same hex values. Do not try
the fix - it does not work without modified kernels.
If there are no such values the problem is different. File a new bug
This bug is still present in Maverick (at least on my Amilo Pi 1536 with
kernel 2.6.35-22-generic). What is the current state of things with it?
Is there any working workaround for Maverick?
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Maybe I miss something, but with the last kernel 2.6.35.4 from
kernel.org the sleep appear again.
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This problem should be addressed by the following upstream patch which
is contained in Maverick (2.6.35):
commit 9cbfa18e8a7b34a32eddbd914a07f085962f50a8
Author: Bob Moore robert.mo...@intel.com
Date: Wed May 26 11:22:41 2010 +0800
ACPICA: Limit maximum time for Sleep() operator
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I can't understand that more than 3 years later this bug still exists
...
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Maybe in Maverick... I hope soon too..
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As original submitter of this bug, I was very happy with the solution using a
custom DSDT.
With the usage of custom DSDTs being turned off in the kernel, now I have 18
seconds time with every boot to think about the problem that some guys take
wise decision about problems they are not affected
** Description changed:
[This bug in the past has been worked round by fixing the daft sleeps in
the ACPI DSDT and using the user DSDT support to replace it. In Karmic
this is nolonger available due to upstream concerns about dammage to
hardware. The norm is to try and quirk round these
Since windows does not have this 18 second delay at boot, I would
suspect that their implementation of the AML Sleep() operator puts a cap
on the amount of sleep time allowed. Perhaps ACPICA should do the same;
maybe a configurable amount of maximum time?
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Hi all !
I'm on Fujitsu-Siemens Amilo XI 1526 and i've the same problem of delay...
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/100110/comments/10 doesn't
work and i can't execute the patch...
A new solution found ?
Thanks (sorry for bad english)
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could anyone help me on how to apply this patch??
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I'm seeing this too with a HP Pavilion zv5308ea. Didn't clock it but the
delay when reading Starting up is 10s+ and the problem wasn't there in
Jaunty. Attatching output of dmidecode, acpidump and bootchart.
Glad that you guys are on top of this and glad I could help with
something :)
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I haven't tested the new kernel and haven't updated to 9.10 yet because
I can't afford to be without my machine at present, however the previous
DSDT fix worked for me.
My machine is a `Rock Pegasus 665'. Its physically identical to the
Alienware m5500 and some of the Fujitsus. I believe these
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My sound stops working after hibernate, but this also happens with the
stock 2.6.31-11-generic kernel. I believe it's a separate bug.
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That's what I thought. The new modules are the source of the problem,
not the ACPI changes.
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Product Name: AMILO Xi 1554
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very nice, working fine me too!
now only 2 second delay without recompile the kernel.
only one thing, I tried for some month with 1s (total) sleep in a custom
kernel without any problem.
maybe we can decrease again (or set to zero) the sleep.
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Affects my Alienware brand notebook, which might be a re-branded
Fujitsu.
Alienware Area-51 m5500i-R3
System Information
Manufacturer: ALIENWARE
Product Name: m5500i-R3
Version: plicable
Serial Number: 1234Aa782e
UUID:
Here is my acpidump output.
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@Krastanov -- most likely we didn't use the parts of the DSDT with these
errant waits during innitialisation. Likely we didn't initialise the EC
'correctly' back then.
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I noticed one thing this morning when I resumed my laptop from hibernate. I
wasn't able to play any audio file to produce sound coming out of my speakers.
A reboot was needed to get my audio back. I had the 'fixed' kernel loaded and
Audacious2 would simply hang when playing a file, mplayer
There is indeed a problem with audio and the 'fixed' kernel. I get this
in my logs, and some other message spammed all across my display when
going to hibernate. It's gone before I can write it down unfortunately.
Oct 9 09:00:15 Chii kernel: [ 5281.588024] hda_intel: azx_get_response
timeout,
Here is my acpidump
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I have no problems with hibernation or suspend. And no messages on the
screen, neither on dmesg. But that is on Amilo xi 1526. (The fixed
kernel it the one with 1 second delay or the one with 0.1 seconds delay?
I'm reporting about the one with 1s.)
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With 'fixed' kernel I mean the 2.6.31 for karmic that was posted here,
not the Jaunty kernel we can modify with DSDT. My laptop has a Realtek
HD audio card. I don't have issues going to or resuming from hibernate,
the only problem I'm having is that after the second resume my audio
fails. I can
The modules are in use with the Jaunty kernel too, no shock there.
However, I did notice a big difference in the amount of modules loaded
between the two kernels. 2.6.31 has a few additional modules for my
sound card (and probably modem too).
Modules loaded in 2.6.28:
snd_hda_intel
snd_pcm
snd
I checked the kernel from the SuSE system (the one I mentioned in the
duplicate bug) and it's version 2.6.16.60-0.21-default. That's the one
that I'm sure has no boot delay. However, it was booted from CD in a
live environment I think and it might not have all the ACPI in it like a
full install
I'll test 2.6.16 and 2.6.17 vanilla this evening and report.
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@Sasquatch -- I chose the 1s delay as it matched the tested and known
working subsitution as applied to the DSDT for some considerable time in
previous releases.
** Description changed:
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+ [This bug in the past has been worked round by fixing the daft sleeps in
+ the
Ah, well, I don't think it would do much harm if the wait is reduced
more. I'll try with a lower value, of 100 ms and report back for my
2.6.28 kernel.
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I didn't notice anything strange or not functioning properly. All it did
was put the next entry on my boot 200 ms later. I don't see any harm
that can be done if you change the sleep from 1000 ms to 100 ms.
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@Sasquatch -- thanks for that testing ... I'll have to think about that
as its a riskier change.
Ok, now to look to make a proper fix for this. I can't simply bodge all
ACPI sleeps as was done in the last patch. We need to limit this
munging to your broken laptops. To do that I need to know
human name: Fujitsu Siemens Amilo XI 1526
System Information
Manufacturer: FUJITSU SIEMENS
Product Name: AMILO Xi 1526
Version: Not Applicable
Serial Number: 72015157
UUID: 80DD4F76-0C65-0010-9F47-AC84E27654C6
Wake-up Type: Power Switch
SKU
System Information
Manufacturer: FUJITSU SIEMENS
Product Name: AMILO Pi 1536
Version: Not Applicable
Serial Number: 531171D1
UUID: 00D0E151-CD63-0010-9302-C8913D38C486
Wake-up Type: Power Switch
SKU Number: Not Specified
Family: Not
Manufacturer: FUJITSU SIEMENS
Product Name: AMILO Pi 1556
I'm on Arch but the same problem. It also occurred when I was using
Ubuntu
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Upstream has decided that modifiying the DSDT is too risky in general to
be something enabled in commonly shipped kernels, as it is possible to
write DSDTs which damage your hardware. It is therefore unlikely we
will resurect this DSDT patch for Karmic or later.
The upstream approach is to
Thank you, You will have my report by 10 pm GMT.
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Ok, there was a flaw in the apw1 kernels, so make sure you test the apw2
kernels which are the only ones now at the URL above. Sorry about that.
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It's working for me.
I'm uploading the dmesg file.
At line 218-220 this time there is no 18 seconds delay.
Thank you.
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Working fine for me too, no more 18 seconds delay. This is a big
improvement. I especially like this part, where it used to hang for 18
seconds (line 229):
[0.168507] ACPI: BIOS _OSI(Linux) query ignored
[0.169429] ACPI: EC: non-query interrupt received, switching to interrupt
mode
[
Just noticed that on the second reboot some messages were printed to screen
before usplash.
Well it's the debug messages and probably that's normal but on the web page for
9.10beta was stated that we must report such issues.
[0.320116] APW: ACPI delay of major proportions 1 ms
[
Windows XP doesn't show this delay either, and an older kernel doesn't
seem to be affected by this, as I've stated in the duplicate bug.
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OK, It would be better to find where the delay was introduced before
contacting the developers (as it's something very old I doubt that it
would be that easy to fix, so speed doesn't really matter). Can to tell
me the version of a kernel for which you think custom DSDT are not
needed, so I can
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This is strange. I have a different kernel version installed than the
one shipped with Jaunty (installed kernel 2.6.29.1 and 2.6.30.8 from
kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline) and those are not reducing the
boot lag with this change. The stock kernel however, reduces my boot
from 18 seconds
Tested a bit more. I have to boot a different kernel than the stock one,
because my wireless just won't connect to my access point with the stock
one. This really sucks. I'm gonna try the Karmic kernel, that should
give me my wireless back and hopefully accept the 'patch'. Else I'm
forced with the
The stock kernel for 9.04 has the patch - I believe it was added by Ben Collins.
The mainline kernel has dropped the patch for some time now.
The kernel for 9.10 will be droppind the patch.
See https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/395239 for more info.
Two options:
1. This to be
With the stock kernel from Jaunty, I meant the current kernel in the repo
(currently 2.6.28.15-38). It does not have this patch, I had to add it myself
as per Bassl in comment #10. No other kernel picks it up, so there must be
something in 2.6.28 that's not in newer kernels.
Is there anything I
The method described by Bassl in comment 10 works only if the kernel can
use custom DSDT. The kernel for 9.04 was patched to do it (this
functionality is not supported in the mainline kernel). Newer kernels
are generally not patched according to bug 395239. You must find the
patch that is needed
** Summary changed:
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+ 18 seconds ACPI delay while booting due to DSDT
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** Description changed:
+ Mainly on Fujitsu laptops.
+ Exist on Karmic.
+ Win Vista does not have the same problem.
+ The solution in comment 10 works.
Loading custom DSDT from Karmic will be impossible without recompiling
the kernel. The patch that gives the functionality is dropped. Anybody
with ideas about a fix?
Why Vista has no problems with that if it is in fact bad dsdt from the
manufacturer?
Can/Will the problem be solved in the kernel?
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