Agreed. just changing linking on the few packages mentioned here would not
really help the issue. someone needs to look at it as a whole and adjust
accordingly.
On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 4:52 PM, Wouter Stomp [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Colin it would probably better if one of the developers just had
Colin it would probably better if one of the developers just had a
critical look at the current dependencies and made them recommends where
appropiate.
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- [Gutsy] unnecessary packages in ubuntu-desktop dependencies?
+ Unnecessary packages in ubuntu-desktop dependencies?
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The more people keep tacking on additional package names to this bug,
the less likely it is that it will ever be fixed because it's a pain to
trawl through for information.
Please file a *new* bug for each package whose status you feel should be
changed.
(I just dropped tsclient and
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Assignee: Colin Watson (kamion) = (unassigned)
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I think this bug is still one that needs to be fixed. But the
improvement is definitely remarkable.
I totally agree with the point, that everything is a recommendation
(which is possible) instead of an requirement. I would prefer a ubuntu
system where everything (except the software to manage the
+1 to the answer of Prosthetic Head - I couldnt answer better.
@FrankyT: I personally did know that if the ubuntu-desktop is removed,
all the other packages attached to it won't be removed also. First,
because I am working with Debian and Ubuntu together almost 10 years
know, I believe - and I
@Markus/Head
so I should reinstall ubuntu-desktop before upgrading huh? that works.
glad I found out now. so I guess there is no answer to the bloat issue
after all.
oh well,
thanks folks!
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Actually I'm thinking it's almost a non-issue, having gotten around to doing
some testing. I do have a few recommendations however.
I had seen earlier in the thread, and elsewhere, that removing the
ubuntu-desktop package by itself does nothing, because it is a meta-
package. I had trouble
my problem is that if ubuntu-desktop is removed it will mean that new
features added between releases as recommends of ubuntu-desktop will not be
pulled in. I don't mind some bundling, but there is no reason that anything
non-essential is marked as a dependency, it should be a recommended package
Oh yes, Evolution, this unstable email client.. ;)
I could add much much more, who should be recommends rather than
depending.
This is a bigger issue, I think, and I hope that could be solved in the
next releases.
Because without that, we cannot install here, the desktops we want,
without
well, Gimp for one. I also probably won't need OpenOffice or Evolution
on this box. as close as I can tell, the only reason that these are
listed as required, is that adminsitration interfaces have been included
in the ubuntu-desktop. that implies that they didn't want to mandate
checking for
Serpentine, sound-juicer, anything cd/dvd R/RW related. anything printer or
scanner related. Firewire stuff, palm synch stuff, bluetooth. In fact, anything
which isn't REQUIRED for a usable graphical environment. Don't want them
removed from the defaullt install, just want to be able to remove
Actually, espeak doesn't even need to be installed by default, as the
espeak library is pulled in anyway, which satisfies the screen reader
requirements. espeak could be either in ship, or supported.
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Other items for the list:
cd-paranoia, dvd+rw-tools, nautilus-cd-burner, wodim --- someone without a CD
drive can be desktop user.
fortune-mod --- not really critical
gnome-pilot-conduits --- I don't have a PDA
almost all printer-related packages (foomatic-*, pnm2ppa, cupsys-*)
which are not
espeak was already a Recommends by the time I got to this, and I've
dropped xsane to Recommends too:
revno: 1039
committer: Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
branch nick: ubuntu.gutsy
timestamp: Wed 2007-08-08 10:32:23 +0100
message:
drop xsane to Recommends (LP: #122039)
xterm is a dependency
And what about the others I mentioned above: Serpentine, sound-juicer,
tsclient and rss-glx?
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I've also noticed xterm and uxterm in my menu. Good candidates for
removal since I have Terminal and don't need more CLIs.
They were installed by default and try to remove ubuntu-desktop if I try
to uninstall them.
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They should be recommended by ubuntu-desktop. Serpentine, sound-juicer,
tsclient, rss-glx are some more programs that I think should be
recommends instead of dependencies.
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I believe there are many packages that should be recommends, not dependencies..
There is a forum thread on this topic here:
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=518683
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