Pascal Mons wrote:
> I guess the change was an Ubuntu policy change about the updates as
they like to force them a bit like Microsoft does. I don't expect them
to ever revert to the previous behaviour.
That would be a silly reason not to accept the patch, since it doesn't
change the behavior for
Sorry but the packages in my previous post won't work. Don't use them.
When I have more time I will upload the working ones in one of my PPAs.
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Here are my rebuild packages for Xenial update-
notifier_3.168.3.orig.tar.xz
To install:
$ sudp dpkg -i update-notifier_3.168.3-1.0pmo1~xenial_amd64.deb update-
notifier-common_3.168.3-1.0pmo1~xenial_all.deb
** Attachment added: "update-notifier_3.168.3-1.0pmo1~xenial_amd64.deb"
Here is package update-notifier-common
** Attachment added: "update-notifier-common_3.168.3-1.0pmo1~xenial_all.deb"
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-notifier/+bug/1246364/+attachment/4823498/+files/update-notifier-common_3.168.3-1.0pmo1~xenial_all.deb
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Sometimes the update-notifier packages gets updated by Ubuntu. Then if
you don't recompile / build new packages with the patches provided by
Forest PPA, you may loose capabilities given by the patches.
You can simply block any update to the update-notifier packages by
running these Terminal cmd.
** Patch removed: "restore_reboot.patch"
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-notifier/+bug/1246364/+attachment/4706740/+files/restore_reboot.patch
** Patch added: "restore_reboot.patch"
Clarification: I split my changes into two patches. They both still work
on the latest release.
My patches simply restore code that was removed a while back, so it's
pretty safe to consider them already-tested. They don't change the
default behavior, so applying them shouldn't affect current
The solution here is to convince the package maintainers that WE NEED
THEM TO FIX THIS BUG.
My patch still works on the latest release. ALL THEY NEED TO DO IS
APPLY IT.
I occasionally update my PPA for the release that I run myself
(currently Xubuntu yakkety), but expecting me to do maintain a
Hi Forest!
I was using the patched version from your PPA (Ubuntu Xenial/Mate Desktop) and
worked really well! :)
Since some time ago, the update-notifier is back to the old "ugly"
behaviour, and despite showing the icon, it launches the update
window... :S
I see that a recent system update
** Tags added: wily xenial
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>Forest: Any chance for a Trusty .deb of this in your PPA?
Not likely. I don't have a need for a Trusty build, and I suspect making
one myself would be counterproductive to the goal of this bug report:
Getting the maintainers to do it, so everyone can have the fix through
official channels.
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Forest: Any chance for a Trusty .deb of this in your PPA? I've been
running with update-notifier uninstalled for over a year, since it is
effectively broken due to this bug. Real world situations I encountered
before removing it:
1. The update dialog stealing focus while I was typing, causing
Launchpad statistics report 300 downloads for my patched Ubuntu 14.04
(trusty) builds.
In order to download those packages, all 300 of those people had to
figure out what package was responsible for the removed functionality,
find their way to this bug report, read through the comments to
Here's an updated patch, for update-notifier 3.168.1, which is current
on Ubuntu 16.04 (xenial).
** Patch added: "restore_icon.patch"
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-notifier/+bug/1246364/+attachment/4706739/+files/restore_icon.patch
** Patch removed:
This additional patch restores the reboot-required icon. It is intended
to be applied after update_icon.patch.
** Patch added: "restore_reboot.patch"
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-notifier/+bug/1246364/+attachment/4706740/+files/restore_reboot.patch
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This is still a problem in vivid. It looks like GNOME users have a new
update notification based on PackageKit, but AFAICT, users of Xubuntu
and other desktops are still stuck using the (now broken) update-
notifier. My patch still works with the version of update-notifier that
is included in
** Tags added: vivid
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Forest,
In Ubuntu 12.04 is was using this:
http://www.webupd8.org/2012/03/update-manager-indicator-displays.html
It was configurable, to always show the icon.
Anyway, thanks for all the great work.
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@Forest
I like what you did to restore the old indicator icon, many thanks.
Can you make it that the icon is always visible en when there are updates it
changes to the red icon?
In ubuntu 12.04, the icon showed all the time but it just changed colors when
there was an update.
Many thanks
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redman, I think you're mistaken. I just installed 12.04 in a virtual
machine, and here's what update-notifier did:
When there were no updates, it showed no icon.
When there were basic updates, it showed an orange icon.
When there were security updates, it showed a red icon.
This matches my
Here's a patch against the version of update-notifier in current utopic
snapshots. The patched version preserves the new (broken) behavior by
default, but restores the ability to disable auto-launch using this
command line:
gsettings set com.ubuntu.update-notifier auto-launch false
Once that
P.S.
My patch works on the version in trusty, too. Since trusty is an LTS release,
it probably ought to get the fix for this regression as well.
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Here's an updated patch. The previous one used a gschema description
from an old version, while this new one more accurately describes
current behavior.
** Patch removed: restore_tray_icon.patch
I also use XUbuntu, and several times have overlooked the backgrounded
Software Updater. I prefer the notification bubble and systray icon... I
guess I am not a member of {everybody}, and I obviously did not
participate in the usability studies (probably because I am not in
{everybody}).
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Focus stealing is a serious usability issue. The notification bubble
and tray icon in 12.04 were more than enough to draw my attention to the
presence of updates without being overly intrusive.
Bring back the old behavior, please.
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** Summary changed:
- update-notifier does not show a tray icon in xubuntu 13.10
+ update-notifier does not show a tray icon in xubuntu
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Same problem as many people here...
The update popup is an inelegant solution. Like blimblam I have wasted
several hours trying to bring back the old behaviour from Xubuntu 12.04
LTS, of an icon in the notification area.
There are must be at least configurable option to keep notification area
Popup window behavior is weird. There are must be at least configurable
option to keep notification area icon.
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update-notifier does not
Removing basic features that users have gotten used too and rely on, is
probably the best way of
driving them to other distributions.
The update popup window drives me personally crazy, because it such an
inelegant solution. I have now wasted several hours trying to bring back
the old
I want to add that I have Attention Deficit Disorder, and this
change—that “everybody wants auto-launch”—makes the system much more
inaccessible to me. Pop-up distractions, however well-intentioned, are
absolute murder on my workflow and concentration. A “one size fits all”
approach isn’t just
Matthew,
While I appreciate your explanation, I agree with hackel about the
issue. Your usability studies may very well show what normal people
want, but I freely admit this is not me, hence why I dropped Ubuntu when
Unity came out (switched to Xubuntu) and don't run Xfwm on Xubuntu, but
rather
(I'm trying to remember whether it also steals keystrokes from other
applications in which the user might be typing, as pop-up dialogs
usually do, but I don't know how to trigger this behavior right now.)
Yes it does - I've been caught more than once with the way I have
Xubuntu set up - that I've
** Tags added: xubuntu
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This really needs to be fixed. I'm actually a Unity user myself, but I
certainly do not want update-manager to run automatically whenever there
are updates, uselessly consuming resources until I manually close it. I
want to be *notified* that there are updates, and then choose whether I
want to
Will this be fix'd soon in Xubuntu Trusty or should I apply the patch?
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Title:
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To
Forest, you have suggested that this behavior is related to Unity. That
is not the case. We concluded that the notification area was a bad way
to notify people of software updates way back in 2009 -- well before
Unity was designed or developed.
That decision was based partly on usability tests,
Matthew, I appreciate that you're genuinely trying to make things
better, and that you're being communicative here.
However, the statement, we concluded that the notification area was a
bad way to notify people, pretty much sums up the problem here: It
might seem like a bad way for you, but it is
This affects me on Fluxbox. I unset the auto_launch option a long time
ago, because I find the popups extremely intrusive and annoying (but I
do still find it useful to get a more subtle notification in the tray).
I think the volume of online HOWTOs explaining how to disable this
behaviour
Side note for those using my patch: I have confirmed that update-manager
now tells the user when a reboot is required, so it seems there's no
need to restore that functionality in update-notifier.
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** Changed in: update-notifier (Ubuntu)
Importance: Undecided = Low
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Importance: Undecided
Status: New
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Status: New = Confirmed
** Changed in: hundredpapercuts
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apparently this was a design decision, but it should appear open, rather
than minimised.
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That's disappointing news, considering that it's a step backwards for
Xubuntu users and others who rely on update-notifier without Unity.
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The patched version works fine for me. However I don't get any 'restart
required'-notification on saucy. Can someone confirm this?
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I don't get Rerstart required message too, e.g. after
installing/updating fglrx.
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That's expected. I restored the update notification code from the
earlier version, but didn't do anything about the restart required
code that had also been removed. I think I read somewhere that update-
manager now tells the user when a reboot is required. Is that not the
case?
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Yes, the issue still exists in Trusty.
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ok. I'll try and package the patch in a few days.
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Thank you, Jackson.
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Is this still any issue with trusty? If so, fixing it there should be
pretty easy.
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I'm attaching a patch against update-notifier 0.147.1 that restores tray
icon notifications. Once the patched version is installed, you'll want
to make sure the auto-launch feature is disabled* and then restart
update-notifier (or log out and back in).
If you don't want to mess around with source
The attachment restore_tray_icon.patch seems to be a patch. If it
isn't, please remove the patch flag from the attachment, remove the
patch tag, and if you are a member of the ~ubuntu-reviewers,
unsubscribe the team.
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** Also affects: update-notifier
Importance: Undecided
Status: New
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Okay, I have identified the problem.
update-notifier supports a mode called auto-launch. When it discovers
new updates and auto-launch mode is enabled, it doesn't notify the user
at all, but launches update-manager instead. If update-manager detects
important security updates, it immediately
output of apt-get upgrade, seems like it's related to the bug:
...
Подготовка к замене пакета python-apport 2.12.5-0ubuntu2.1 (используется файл
…/python-apport_2.12.5-0ubuntu2.2_all.deb) …
Распаковывается замена для пакета python-apport …
Обрабатываются триггеры для ureadahead …
ureadahead will
The same problem. After sudo apt-get update indicator of update-notifier
doesn't appear if updates available. All files in /var/lib/update-
notifier are empty.
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It seems my notification tray problem was an unrelated bug. Now that
that's sorted out, I see that update-notifier does eventually appear
(minimized) when it finds that updates are ready for me, and sometimes
even opens its window on the desktop. I'm not sure yet, but it might be
that it's
** Tags added: saucy
** Tags added: regression-release
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It still remains the question, if a minimized window is a meaningful
way to inform the user about new updates.
The answer to that question is no.
The question in my mind is: what causes problem?
I didn't notice until just now, but it seems the upgrade from Xubuntu
13.04 to 13.10 removed the
(Ugh... please pardon the terrible misuse of punctuation above. I'm
tired.)
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Status changed to 'Confirmed' because the bug affects multiple users.
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Ok, I see. The 'restart required' request is now integrated in the
software-updater window. With the fix for #1232363 this should be ok.
It still remains the question, if a minimized window is a meaningful way to
inform the user about new updates.
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1) Same for Unity. The update-notifier does not show up as indicator, so it
might be the new default behavior.
2) You have to re-launch the update-manager after creating this file. Now you
will get asked to restart the system.
3) What kind of notification did you get?
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