> mirabilos, I wonder if you might be willing to please put some shell
function like this into the dot.mkshrc in upstream mksh CVS?
I’m not.
> It seems to me a fairly uncontroversial change.
No. As I said, “help” is very generic, and I know of distros aliasing it to
“man” or “man man”. (SuSE 6.
mirabilos, I wonder if you might be willing to please put some shell
function like this into the dot.mkshrc in upstream mksh CVS? It seems
to me a fairly uncontroversial change. Then, next time you push the
latest mksh version into Android gerrit, perhaps you could include this
change as part of
Jason requested an explicit answer to
https://bugs.launchpad.net/mksh/+bug/1366451/comments/9 and here it is:
The idea is ok, but you’ll have to take this up with the Android
developers yourself and submit it to AOSP using their Gerrit instance.
That’s all I ever do, too.
I could imagine an imple
** Bug watch added: code.google.com/p/android/issues #66815
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"mksh -v" should d
enh dixit:
>probably related to
>https://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=66815. i think the
Right, similar issue.
>hard part is what to set $TMPDIR to.
Agreed.
If I get a C API I can just call, I would put it into main.c in mksh
(set TMPDIR to that value, unless we import it from th
Jason Spiro dixit:
>By the way, do here-documents work okay on modern versions of Android?
>Or is there no place for mksh to write the required temporary files to
>make them work?
There is still no place. If you set (not even needed to export, but
exporting is better so subshells inherit it) $TMP
By the way, do here-documents work okay on modern versions of Android?
Or is there no place for mksh to write the required temporary files to
make them work?
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In various comments, Thorsten Glaser wrote:
> This is actually a good idea.
Thank you :)
> Maybe they should tag those questions [mksh] on SE
> and I should subscribe that tag there.
A lot of the people who type "help" might not actually have questions
about mksh: they may instead have questio
Jason Spiro dixit:
>mksh takes up more than 100 KB, and typical new Android phones seem to
>include gigabytes of flash memory. I still believe Android could afford
>the bytes it would cost to include a "help" function in
>/system/bin/mkshrc which would display something like the following.
This
> Nothing against your intent, or beginners, or something, but Android
> is really not the OS one should be learning a Unix shell in.
You are correct. Still, if someone owns only a Windows box and an
Android phone, they might end up starting their learning on Android
anyway.
> And mksh is first a
Jason Spiro dixit:
>If I sent a patch which would add this functionality, would you consider
>accepting it?
No.
Nothing against your intent, or beginners, or something, but Android
is really not the OS one should be learning a Unix shell in.
And mksh is first and foremost a Berkeley Unix shell.
In comment #4, Thorsten Glaser wrote:
> “help” is aliased to “man” in most beginner-friendly GNU/Linux
> distributions, in /etc/profile usually.
Not in beginner-unfriendly environments, such as the Android command-
line environment.
By responding to the word "help" with the 50 bytes of text I sug
Jason Spiro dixit:
>If the user runs
>"mksh -?"
This expands to a file in the current directory that begins with - and
has another byte after it.
>"mksh /?"
This expands to a single-byte file (or directory) under /
>"mksh -v"
This is already used by POSIX, see “man mksh”, under the “set” bui
> A flag to display the version is not historically
> customary in Unix programs.
> The adoption of -V (not -v which is verbose) is
> recent and not normally used.
I stand corrected.
> GNU --long-options have nothing to do
> with a Unix program.
Touché.
> The Android user would just type “set“,
No.
• GNU --long-options have nothing to do with a Unix program.
• A flag to display the version is not historically customary in Unix programs.
The adoption of -V (not -v which is verbose) is recent and not normally used.
• “mksh -x” is the same as running “set -x” in the shell, which means tha
(And I’m not going to embed long texts like this in the binary. The
embedded customers (Android, OpenWrt, FreeWRT, OpenADK, etc.) would not
like that size increase.)
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** Summary changed:
- mksh -v should display mksh's version number, plus the attached chunk of
text, onscreen
+ "mksh -v" should display mksh's version number, plus the attached chunk of
text, onscreen
** Also affects: mksh (Ubuntu)
Importance: Undecided
Status: New
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