[Bug 158909] Re: smartmontools recommends mailx

2009-05-03 Thread David Tombs
Any progress on this? Since you didn't get any response, Noel, I'd rather leave it as one package with mailx in Suggests. As you correctly stated earlier, the average server admin should be wise enough to install the MTA him/herself. -- smartmontools recommends mailx https://bugs.launchpad.net/b

[Bug 158909] Re: smartmontools recommends mailx

2009-05-04 Thread Laurent Bigonville
Ad what about my suggestion of changing the mailx dependency from postfix to ssmtp? -- smartmontools recommends mailx https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/158909 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubu

[Bug 158909] Re: smartmontools recommends mailx

2009-07-12 Thread Pavol Klačanský
that problem is also in karmic, I think there must be a option to select if you want install that packages or mark packages as recommened -- smartmontools recommends mailx https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/158909 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is s

[Bug 158909] Re: smartmontools recommends mailx

2009-02-10 Thread Laurent Bigonville
A solution could be that mailx install ssmtp instead of a full mailserver -- smartmontools recommends mailx https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/158909 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@l

[Bug 158909] Re: smartmontools recommends mailx

2009-02-10 Thread Noel J. Bergman
SSMTP isn't going to satisfy someone who needed a mail server. The solution is to move it to suggests, and allow the server admin, who ought to be more competent than the average desktop user, to install an MTA of choice. -- smartmontools recommends mailx https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/158909 Y

[Bug 158909] Re: smartmontools recommends mailx

2009-02-10 Thread Laurent Bigonville
mailx is depending on postfix | mail-transport-agent mail-transport-agent is provided by any MTA s/postfix/ssmtp could do the trick -- smartmontools recommends mailx https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/158909 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subsc

[Bug 158909] Re: smartmontools recommends mailx

2009-02-11 Thread Martin Seifert
How about turning smartmontools into a meta package and... smartmontools-nogui smartmontools-gnome smartmontools-kde Either one could install whatever is necessary for notification in case of failure. -- smartmontools recommends mailx https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/158909 You received this bug

[Bug 158909] Re: smartmontools recommends mailx

2009-02-12 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Martin, smartmontools-core --- the actual smartmontools package smartmontools- depends on smartmontools-core and adds whatever is desired for For example, smartmontools-server would have: Depends: smartmontools-core Recommends: mailx | mailutils That work for everyone? -- smartmontools reco

[Bug 158909] Re: smartmontools recommends mailx

2009-02-10 Thread Hernando Torque
Quoting Debian's Policy Manual: * Recommends: This declares a strong, but not absolute, dependency. The Recommends field should list packages that would be found together with this one in all but unusual installations. * Suggests: This is used to declare that one package may be more useful with o

[Bug 158909] Re: smartmontools recommends mailx

2009-02-10 Thread Laurent Bigonville
In an no graphic environment it is not "perfectly reasonable" to install smartmontools without mailx as the administrator will be not warned in case of failure. So I really think that this should stay a recommends -- smartmontools recommends mailx https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/158909 You receiv

[Bug 158909] Re: smartmontools recommends mailx

2009-02-10 Thread Hernando Torque
I'd agree if apt wouldn't automatically install recommended packages. Mailx is best to put where the lesser number of users have to get active (remove vs. install) but maybe this should be discussed on a mailing list instead of here. -- smartmontools recommends mailx https://bugs.launchpad.net/bu

[Bug 158909] Re: smartmontools recommends mailx

2009-02-10 Thread David Tombs
"The Recommends field should list packages that would be found together with this one in all but unusual installations." Standard, graphical Ubuntu environments are not "unusual installations." -- smartmontools recommends mailx https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/158909 You received this bug notific

[Bug 158909] Re: smartmontools recommends mailx

2009-02-10 Thread Noel J. Bergman
And those of us running Ubuntu Server might want to install our own MTA, and not EXIM, which is what happens by default. smartmontools works perfectly well without an *optional* MTA. -- smartmontools recommends mailx https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/158909 You received this bug notification becau

[Bug 158909] Re: smartmontools recommends mailx

2009-01-15 Thread Martin Seifert
I wanted to install smartmontools under Intrepid tody, but I rather take the risk than installing another MTA that I don't want and don't need. Hope that gets fixed for 9.04 and I agree that smartmontools should nowadays be installed by default and something like smart-notifier would highly improve

[Bug 158909] Re: smartmontools recommends mailx

2009-01-15 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Since you are aware of the problem, you can run: aptitude --without- recommends install smartmontools -- smartmontools recommends mailx https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/158909 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bu

[Bug 158909] Re: smartmontools recommends mailx

2009-01-15 Thread Martin Seifert
"Since you are aware of the problem, you can run: aptitude --without- recommends install smartmontools" Thanks for your answer, but the problem is that I am not sure if "--without-recommends" will be respected when an update is automatically installed. However I know that this bugtracker is not th

[Bug 158909] Re: smartmontools recommends mailx

2009-01-01 Thread Przemysław Kulczycki
"I agree with all of the previous comments that Recommends should be moved to Suggests, and categorically disagree with Daniel T Chen's decision to mark this as Won't Fix. PLEASE RE-OPEN AND *FIX* THIS DEFECT, rather than quietly closing it without addressing community demands." I agree with Noel

[Bug 158909] Re: smartmontools recommends mailx

2009-01-01 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Large consensus that this should be fixed. ** Changed in: smartmontools (Ubuntu) Status: Won't Fix => Confirmed -- smartmontools recommends mailx https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/158909 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubunt

[Bug 158909] Re: smartmontools recommends mailx

2009-01-05 Thread David Tombs
Another vote here. I install smartmontools and then get a 10-second "Starting MTA" on boot? No thanks. -- smartmontools recommends mailx https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/158909 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bu

[Bug 158909] Re: smartmontools recommends mailx

2008-12-13 Thread Noel J. Bergman
I agree with all of the previous comments that Recommends should be moved to Suggests, and categorically disagree with Daniel T Chen's decision to mark this as Won't Fix. PLEASE RE-OPEN AND *FIX* THIS DEFECT, rather than quietly closing it without addressing community demands. -- smartmontools r

[Bug 158909] Re: smartmontools recommends mailx

2007-11-01 Thread Laurent Bigonville
Well I think it is since the smartd daemon can send mail to root to advice him for smart tests failures. -- smartmontools recommends mailx https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/158909 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is the bug contact for Ubuntu. -- u

[Bug 158909] Re: smartmontools recommends mailx

2007-11-01 Thread Dave Walker
With the new recommends-by-default spec for Hardy this is a bug. Smartmontools can (and usually is in my experience), executed for live stats and not as a daemon. The reasoning that mail alerts offers additional functionality should make mailx a "suggests" rather than a "recommends". -- smartmon

[Bug 158909] Re: smartmontools recommends mailx

2007-11-02 Thread Laurent Bigonville
Or make mailx depends on an other MTA that exim4 -- smartmontools recommends mailx https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/158909 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is the bug contact for Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com htt

[Bug 158909] Re: smartmontools recommends mailx

2008-02-13 Thread pepa
Sickening to have this dependency! -- smartmontools recommends mailx https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/158909 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is the bug contact for Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubu

[Bug 158909] Re: smartmontools recommends mailx

2008-11-01 Thread ThyMythos
An alternative would also be XMPP notification. I also think mailx should be only in "suggests". ** Changed in: smartmontools (Ubuntu) Assignee: (unassigned) => Ubuntu Core Development Team (ubuntu-core-dev) -- smartmontools recommends mailx https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/158909 You receiv

[Bug 158909] Re: smartmontools recommends mailx

2008-11-01 Thread Scott Kitterman
Please don't assign bug to other people unless there is a team specific policy suggesting you do so. ** Changed in: smartmontools (Ubuntu) Assignee: Ubuntu Core Development Team (ubuntu-core-dev) => (unassigned) -- smartmontools recommends mailx https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/158909 You re

[Bug 158909] Re: smartmontools recommends mailx

2008-11-01 Thread Sarah Hobbs
Argh! More unwanted bugmail. Echoing Scott's comments here! -- smartmontools recommends mailx https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/158909 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.

[Bug 158909] Re: smartmontools recommends mailx

2008-11-10 Thread Igor Nikolic
Is it possible to install this package without the all the email services to be installed ? I want to check for behavior of the HD on a netbook in relation to the bug #59695 and I certainly do not want to have a mail demon installed. Any suggestions ? -- smartmontools recommends mailx https://bu

[Bug 158909] Re: smartmontools recommends mailx

2008-11-10 Thread Igor Nikolic
duh.. I should have rftm'ed first. just for the record, for other people searching the same, use : sudo apt-get install smartmontools --no-install-recommends -- smartmontools recommends mailx https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/158909 You received this bug notification because you are a member of U

[Bug 158909] Re: smartmontools recommends mailx

2008-11-11 Thread Daniel T Chen
** Changed in: smartmontools (Ubuntu) Status: New => Won't Fix -- smartmontools recommends mailx https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/158909 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists

[Bug 158909] Re: smartmontools recommends mailx

2007-11-01 Thread Laurent Bigonville
Well I think it is since the smartd daemon can send mail to root to advice him for smart tests failures. -- smartmontools recommends mailx https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/158909 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is the bug contact for Ubuntu. -- u

[Bug 158909] Re: smartmontools recommends mailx

2007-11-01 Thread Dave Walker
With the new recommends-by-default spec for Hardy this is a bug. Smartmontools can (and usually is in my experience), executed for live stats and not as a daemon. The reasoning that mail alerts offers additional functionality should make mailx a "suggests" rather than a "recommends". -- smartmon

[Bug 158909] Re: smartmontools recommends mailx

2007-11-02 Thread Laurent Bigonville
Or make mailx depends on an other MTA that exim4 -- smartmontools recommends mailx https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/158909 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is the bug contact for Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com htt

[Bug 158909] Re: smartmontools recommends mailx

2008-11-11 Thread Daniel T Chen
** Changed in: smartmontools (Ubuntu) Status: New => Won't Fix -- smartmontools recommends mailx https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/158909 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists

[Bug 158909] Re: smartmontools recommends mailx

2008-11-01 Thread ThyMythos
An alternative would also be XMPP notification. I also think mailx should be only in "suggests". ** Changed in: smartmontools (Ubuntu) Assignee: (unassigned) => Ubuntu Core Development Team (ubuntu-core-dev) -- smartmontools recommends mailx https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/158909 You receiv

[Bug 158909] Re: smartmontools recommends mailx

2008-11-01 Thread Scott Kitterman
Please don't assign bug to other people unless there is a team specific policy suggesting you do so. ** Changed in: smartmontools (Ubuntu) Assignee: Ubuntu Core Development Team (ubuntu-core-dev) => (unassigned) -- smartmontools recommends mailx https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/158909 You re

[Bug 158909] Re: smartmontools recommends mailx

2008-11-01 Thread Sarah Hobbs
Argh! More unwanted bugmail. Echoing Scott's comments here! -- smartmontools recommends mailx https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/158909 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.

[Bug 158909] Re: smartmontools recommends mailx

2008-11-10 Thread Igor Nikolic
Is it possible to install this package without the all the email services to be installed ? I want to check for behavior of the HD on a netbook in relation to the bug #59695 and I certainly do not want to have a mail demon installed. Any suggestions ? -- smartmontools recommends mailx https://bu

[Bug 158909] Re: smartmontools recommends mailx

2008-11-10 Thread Igor Nikolic
duh.. I should have rftm'ed first. just for the record, for other people searching the same, use : sudo apt-get install smartmontools --no-install-recommends -- smartmontools recommends mailx https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/158909 You received this bug notification because you are a member of U

[Bug 158909] Re: smartmontools recommends mailx

2008-12-13 Thread Noel J. Bergman
I agree with all of the previous comments that Recommends should be moved to Suggests, and categorically disagree with Daniel T Chen's decision to mark this as Won't Fix. PLEASE RE-OPEN AND *FIX* THIS DEFECT, rather than quietly closing it without addressing community demands. -- smartmontools r

[Bug 158909] Re: smartmontools recommends mailx

2009-01-05 Thread David Tombs
Another vote here. I install smartmontools and then get a 10-second "Starting MTA" on boot? No thanks. -- smartmontools recommends mailx https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/158909 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bu

[Bug 158909] Re: smartmontools recommends mailx

2009-02-10 Thread Hernando Torque
Quoting Debian's Policy Manual: * Recommends: This declares a strong, but not absolute, dependency. The Recommends field should list packages that would be found together with this one in all but unusual installations. * Suggests: This is used to declare that one package may be more useful with o

[Bug 158909] Re: smartmontools recommends mailx

2009-02-10 Thread Laurent Bigonville
In an no graphic environment it is not "perfectly reasonable" to install smartmontools without mailx as the administrator will be not warned in case of failure. So I really think that this should stay a recommends -- smartmontools recommends mailx https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/158909 You receiv

[Bug 158909] Re: smartmontools recommends mailx

2009-02-10 Thread Hernando Torque
I'd agree if apt wouldn't automatically install recommended packages. Mailx is best to put where the lesser number of users have to get active (remove vs. install) but maybe this should be discussed on a mailing list instead of here. -- smartmontools recommends mailx https://bugs.launchpad.net/bu

[Bug 158909] Re: smartmontools recommends mailx

2009-02-10 Thread David Tombs
"The Recommends field should list packages that would be found together with this one in all but unusual installations." Standard, graphical Ubuntu environments are not "unusual installations." -- smartmontools recommends mailx https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/158909 You received this bug notific

[Bug 158909] Re: smartmontools recommends mailx

2009-02-10 Thread Noel J. Bergman
And those of us running Ubuntu Server might want to install our own MTA, and not EXIM, which is what happens by default. smartmontools works perfectly well without an *optional* MTA. -- smartmontools recommends mailx https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/158909 You received this bug notification becau

[Bug 158909] Re: smartmontools recommends mailx

2009-02-10 Thread Laurent Bigonville
A solution could be that mailx install ssmtp instead of a full mailserver -- smartmontools recommends mailx https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/158909 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@l

[Bug 158909] Re: smartmontools recommends mailx

2009-02-10 Thread Noel J. Bergman
SSMTP isn't going to satisfy someone who needed a mail server. The solution is to move it to suggests, and allow the server admin, who ought to be more competent than the average desktop user, to install an MTA of choice. -- smartmontools recommends mailx https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/158909 Y

[Bug 158909] Re: smartmontools recommends mailx

2009-02-10 Thread Laurent Bigonville
mailx is depending on postfix | mail-transport-agent mail-transport-agent is provided by any MTA s/postfix/ssmtp could do the trick -- smartmontools recommends mailx https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/158909 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subsc

[Bug 158909] Re: smartmontools recommends mailx

2009-02-11 Thread Martin Seifert
How about turning smartmontools into a meta package and... smartmontools-nogui smartmontools-gnome smartmontools-kde Either one could install whatever is necessary for notification in case of failure. -- smartmontools recommends mailx https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/158909 You received this bug

[Bug 158909] Re: smartmontools recommends mailx

2009-02-12 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Martin, smartmontools-core --- the actual smartmontools package smartmontools- depends on smartmontools-core and adds whatever is desired for For example, smartmontools-server would have: Depends: smartmontools-core Recommends: mailx | mailutils That work for everyone? -- smartmontools reco

[Bug 158909] Re: smartmontools recommends mailx

2009-01-15 Thread Martin Seifert
I wanted to install smartmontools under Intrepid tody, but I rather take the risk than installing another MTA that I don't want and don't need. Hope that gets fixed for 9.04 and I agree that smartmontools should nowadays be installed by default and something like smart-notifier would highly improve

[Bug 158909] Re: smartmontools recommends mailx

2009-01-15 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Since you are aware of the problem, you can run: aptitude --without- recommends install smartmontools -- smartmontools recommends mailx https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/158909 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bu

[Bug 158909] Re: smartmontools recommends mailx

2009-01-15 Thread Martin Seifert
"Since you are aware of the problem, you can run: aptitude --without- recommends install smartmontools" Thanks for your answer, but the problem is that I am not sure if "--without-recommends" will be respected when an update is automatically installed. However I know that this bugtracker is not th

[Bug 158909] Re: smartmontools recommends mailx

2009-01-01 Thread Przemysław Kulczycki
"I agree with all of the previous comments that Recommends should be moved to Suggests, and categorically disagree with Daniel T Chen's decision to mark this as Won't Fix. PLEASE RE-OPEN AND *FIX* THIS DEFECT, rather than quietly closing it without addressing community demands." I agree with Noel

[Bug 158909] Re: smartmontools recommends mailx

2009-01-01 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Large consensus that this should be fixed. ** Changed in: smartmontools (Ubuntu) Status: Won't Fix => Confirmed -- smartmontools recommends mailx https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/158909 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubunt

[Bug 158909] Re: smartmontools recommends mailx

2009-07-12 Thread Pavol Klačanský
that problem is also in karmic, I think there must be a option to select if you want install that packages or mark packages as recommened -- smartmontools recommends mailx https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/158909 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is s

[Bug 158909] Re: smartmontools recommends mailx

2008-12-13 Thread Noel J. Bergman
I agree with all of the previous comments that Recommends should be moved to Suggests, and categorically disagree with Daniel T Chen's decision to mark this as Won't Fix. PLEASE RE-OPEN AND *FIX* THIS DEFECT, rather than quietly closing it without addressing community demands. -- smartmontools r

[Bug 158909] Re: smartmontools recommends mailx

2009-05-03 Thread David Tombs
Any progress on this? Since you didn't get any response, Noel, I'd rather leave it as one package with mailx in Suggests. As you correctly stated earlier, the average server admin should be wise enough to install the MTA him/herself. -- smartmontools recommends mailx https://bugs.launchpad.net/b

[Bug 158909] Re: smartmontools recommends mailx

2009-05-04 Thread Laurent Bigonville
Ad what about my suggestion of changing the mailx dependency from postfix to ssmtp? -- smartmontools recommends mailx https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/158909 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubu

[Bug 158909] Re: smartmontools recommends mailx

2009-01-15 Thread Martin Seifert
I wanted to install smartmontools under Intrepid tody, but I rather take the risk than installing another MTA that I don't want and don't need. Hope that gets fixed for 9.04 and I agree that smartmontools should nowadays be installed by default and something like smart-notifier would highly improve

[Bug 158909] Re: smartmontools recommends mailx

2009-01-15 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Since you are aware of the problem, you can run: aptitude --without- recommends install smartmontools -- smartmontools recommends mailx https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/158909 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bu

[Bug 158909] Re: smartmontools recommends mailx

2009-01-15 Thread Martin Seifert
"Since you are aware of the problem, you can run: aptitude --without- recommends install smartmontools" Thanks for your answer, but the problem is that I am not sure if "--without-recommends" will be respected when an update is automatically installed. However I know that this bugtracker is not th

[Bug 158909] Re: smartmontools recommends mailx

2009-02-12 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Martin, smartmontools-core --- the actual smartmontools package smartmontools- depends on smartmontools-core and adds whatever is desired for For example, smartmontools-server would have: Depends: smartmontools-core Recommends: mailx | mailutils That work for everyone? -- smartmontools reco

[Bug 158909] Re: smartmontools recommends mailx

2009-02-10 Thread Hernando Torque
Quoting Debian's Policy Manual: * Recommends: This declares a strong, but not absolute, dependency. The Recommends field should list packages that would be found together with this one in all but unusual installations. * Suggests: This is used to declare that one package may be more useful with o

[Bug 158909] Re: smartmontools recommends mailx

2009-02-10 Thread Laurent Bigonville
In an no graphic environment it is not "perfectly reasonable" to install smartmontools without mailx as the administrator will be not warned in case of failure. So I really think that this should stay a recommends -- smartmontools recommends mailx https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/158909 You receiv

[Bug 158909] Re: smartmontools recommends mailx

2009-02-10 Thread Hernando Torque
I'd agree if apt wouldn't automatically install recommended packages. Mailx is best to put where the lesser number of users have to get active (remove vs. install) but maybe this should be discussed on a mailing list instead of here. -- smartmontools recommends mailx https://bugs.launchpad.net/bu

[Bug 158909] Re: smartmontools recommends mailx

2009-02-10 Thread David Tombs
"The Recommends field should list packages that would be found together with this one in all but unusual installations." Standard, graphical Ubuntu environments are not "unusual installations." -- smartmontools recommends mailx https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/158909 You received this bug notific

[Bug 158909] Re: smartmontools recommends mailx

2009-02-10 Thread Noel J. Bergman
And those of us running Ubuntu Server might want to install our own MTA, and not EXIM, which is what happens by default. smartmontools works perfectly well without an *optional* MTA. -- smartmontools recommends mailx https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/158909 You received this bug notification becau

[Bug 158909] Re: smartmontools recommends mailx

2009-02-10 Thread Laurent Bigonville
A solution could be that mailx install ssmtp instead of a full mailserver -- smartmontools recommends mailx https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/158909 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@l

[Bug 158909] Re: smartmontools recommends mailx

2009-02-10 Thread Noel J. Bergman
SSMTP isn't going to satisfy someone who needed a mail server. The solution is to move it to suggests, and allow the server admin, who ought to be more competent than the average desktop user, to install an MTA of choice. -- smartmontools recommends mailx https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/158909 Y

[Bug 158909] Re: smartmontools recommends mailx

2009-02-10 Thread Laurent Bigonville
mailx is depending on postfix | mail-transport-agent mail-transport-agent is provided by any MTA s/postfix/ssmtp could do the trick -- smartmontools recommends mailx https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/158909 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subsc

[Bug 158909] Re: smartmontools recommends mailx

2009-02-11 Thread Martin Seifert
How about turning smartmontools into a meta package and... smartmontools-nogui smartmontools-gnome smartmontools-kde Either one could install whatever is necessary for notification in case of failure. -- smartmontools recommends mailx https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/158909 You received this bug

[Bug 158909] Re: smartmontools recommends mailx

2009-01-01 Thread Przemysław Kulczycki
"I agree with all of the previous comments that Recommends should be moved to Suggests, and categorically disagree with Daniel T Chen's decision to mark this as Won't Fix. PLEASE RE-OPEN AND *FIX* THIS DEFECT, rather than quietly closing it without addressing community demands." I agree with Noel

[Bug 158909] Re: smartmontools recommends mailx

2009-01-01 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Large consensus that this should be fixed. ** Changed in: smartmontools (Ubuntu) Status: Won't Fix => Confirmed -- smartmontools recommends mailx https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/158909 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubunt

[Bug 158909] Re: smartmontools recommends mailx

2009-01-05 Thread David Tombs
Another vote here. I install smartmontools and then get a 10-second "Starting MTA" on boot? No thanks. -- smartmontools recommends mailx https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/158909 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bu

[Bug 158909] Re: smartmontools recommends mailx

2008-02-13 Thread pepa
Sickening to have this dependency! -- smartmontools recommends mailx https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/158909 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is the bug contact for Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubu

[Bug 158909] Re: smartmontools recommends mailx

2009-05-03 Thread David Tombs
Any progress on this? Since you didn't get any response, Noel, I'd rather leave it as one package with mailx in Suggests. As you correctly stated earlier, the average server admin should be wise enough to install the MTA him/herself. -- smartmontools recommends mailx https://bugs.launchpad.net/b

[Bug 158909] Re: smartmontools recommends mailx

2009-05-04 Thread Laurent Bigonville
Ad what about my suggestion of changing the mailx dependency from postfix to ssmtp? -- smartmontools recommends mailx https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/158909 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubu

[Bug 158909] Re: smartmontools recommends mailx

2009-07-12 Thread Pavol Klačanský
that problem is also in karmic, I think there must be a option to select if you want install that packages or mark packages as recommened -- smartmontools recommends mailx https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/158909 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is s

[Bug 158909] Re: smartmontools recommends mailx

2008-02-13 Thread pepa
Sickening to have this dependency! -- smartmontools recommends mailx https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/158909 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is the bug contact for Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubu

[Bug 158909] Re: smartmontools recommends mailx

2007-11-01 Thread Laurent Bigonville
Well I think it is since the smartd daemon can send mail to root to advice him for smart tests failures. -- smartmontools recommends mailx https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/158909 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is the bug contact for Ubuntu. -- u

[Bug 158909] Re: smartmontools recommends mailx

2007-11-01 Thread Dave Walker
With the new recommends-by-default spec for Hardy this is a bug. Smartmontools can (and usually is in my experience), executed for live stats and not as a daemon. The reasoning that mail alerts offers additional functionality should make mailx a "suggests" rather than a "recommends". -- smartmon

[Bug 158909] Re: smartmontools recommends mailx

2007-11-02 Thread Laurent Bigonville
Or make mailx depends on an other MTA that exim4 -- smartmontools recommends mailx https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/158909 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is the bug contact for Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com htt

[Bug 158909] Re: smartmontools recommends mailx

2008-11-01 Thread ThyMythos
An alternative would also be XMPP notification. I also think mailx should be only in "suggests". ** Changed in: smartmontools (Ubuntu) Assignee: (unassigned) => Ubuntu Core Development Team (ubuntu-core-dev) -- smartmontools recommends mailx https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/158909 You receiv

[Bug 158909] Re: smartmontools recommends mailx

2008-11-01 Thread Scott Kitterman
Please don't assign bug to other people unless there is a team specific policy suggesting you do so. ** Changed in: smartmontools (Ubuntu) Assignee: Ubuntu Core Development Team (ubuntu-core-dev) => (unassigned) -- smartmontools recommends mailx https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/158909 You re

[Bug 158909] Re: smartmontools recommends mailx

2008-11-01 Thread Sarah Hobbs
Argh! More unwanted bugmail. Echoing Scott's comments here! -- smartmontools recommends mailx https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/158909 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.

[Bug 158909] Re: smartmontools recommends mailx

2008-11-10 Thread Igor Nikolic
Is it possible to install this package without the all the email services to be installed ? I want to check for behavior of the HD on a netbook in relation to the bug #59695 and I certainly do not want to have a mail demon installed. Any suggestions ? -- smartmontools recommends mailx https://bu

[Bug 158909] Re: smartmontools recommends mailx

2008-11-10 Thread Igor Nikolic
duh.. I should have rftm'ed first. just for the record, for other people searching the same, use : sudo apt-get install smartmontools --no-install-recommends -- smartmontools recommends mailx https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/158909 You received this bug notification because you are a member of U

[Bug 158909] Re: smartmontools recommends mailx

2008-11-11 Thread Daniel T Chen
** Changed in: smartmontools (Ubuntu) Status: New => Won't Fix -- smartmontools recommends mailx https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/158909 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists

[Bug 158909] Re: smartmontools recommends mailx

2009-07-12 Thread Pavol Klačanský
that problem is also in karmic, I think there must be a option to select if you want install that packages or mark packages as recommened -- smartmontools recommends mailx https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/158909 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is s

[Bug 158909] Re: smartmontools recommends mailx

2008-02-13 Thread pepa
Sickening to have this dependency! -- smartmontools recommends mailx https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/158909 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is the bug contact for Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubu

[Bug 158909] Re: smartmontools recommends mailx

2007-11-01 Thread Laurent Bigonville
Well I think it is since the smartd daemon can send mail to root to advice him for smart tests failures. -- smartmontools recommends mailx https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/158909 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is the bug contact for Ubuntu. -- u

[Bug 158909] Re: smartmontools recommends mailx

2007-11-01 Thread Dave Walker
With the new recommends-by-default spec for Hardy this is a bug. Smartmontools can (and usually is in my experience), executed for live stats and not as a daemon. The reasoning that mail alerts offers additional functionality should make mailx a "suggests" rather than a "recommends". -- smartmon

[Bug 158909] Re: smartmontools recommends mailx

2007-11-02 Thread Laurent Bigonville
Or make mailx depends on an other MTA that exim4 -- smartmontools recommends mailx https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/158909 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is the bug contact for Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com htt

[Bug 158909] Re: smartmontools recommends mailx

2008-12-13 Thread Noel J. Bergman
I agree with all of the previous comments that Recommends should be moved to Suggests, and categorically disagree with Daniel T Chen's decision to mark this as Won't Fix. PLEASE RE-OPEN AND *FIX* THIS DEFECT, rather than quietly closing it without addressing community demands. -- smartmontools r

[Bug 158909] Re: smartmontools recommends mailx

2009-02-12 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Martin, smartmontools-core --- the actual smartmontools package smartmontools- depends on smartmontools-core and adds whatever is desired for For example, smartmontools-server would have: Depends: smartmontools-core Recommends: mailx | mailutils That work for everyone? -- smartmontools reco

[Bug 158909] Re: smartmontools recommends mailx

2009-02-10 Thread Hernando Torque
Quoting Debian's Policy Manual: * Recommends: This declares a strong, but not absolute, dependency. The Recommends field should list packages that would be found together with this one in all but unusual installations. * Suggests: This is used to declare that one package may be more useful with o

[Bug 158909] Re: smartmontools recommends mailx

2009-02-10 Thread Laurent Bigonville
In an no graphic environment it is not "perfectly reasonable" to install smartmontools without mailx as the administrator will be not warned in case of failure. So I really think that this should stay a recommends -- smartmontools recommends mailx https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/158909 You receiv

[Bug 158909] Re: smartmontools recommends mailx

2009-02-10 Thread Hernando Torque
I'd agree if apt wouldn't automatically install recommended packages. Mailx is best to put where the lesser number of users have to get active (remove vs. install) but maybe this should be discussed on a mailing list instead of here. -- smartmontools recommends mailx https://bugs.launchpad.net/bu

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