I have remastered the Hardy beta LiveCD after having updated the gtk+2.0
package and I do confirm that VIQR is not anymore activated by default
for Vietnamese locale!
I have also installed the scim-m17n package to test m17n-db bugs
corrections and I do confirm that Telex is now working
m17n-db patch was uploaded.
** Changed in: m17n-db (Ubuntu)
Status: In Progress = Fix Released
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* debian/patches/022_disable-viqr-im-for-vi-locale.patch:
- change from Ming Hua, don't activate the viqr input method for Vietnamese
(lp: #191451)
-- Sebastien
The change seems to be correct, I've uploaded it to hardy so testing
will be easier
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did anybody try the gtk change?
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the change seems to be alright, I've some question though, would it be
suitable for upstream or debian or do you consider it only as an hardy
workaround? and could somebody try the change and confirm that's doing
what is expected?
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Hi,
I have downloaded Ubuntu 8.04 beta and did a test installation from the
live CD Desktop i386.
F2 select Vietnamese (Tiêng Viêt)
F3 US English keyboard is selected OK
Start installation, selection of Vietnamese as language for install ;
English American keyboard is selected OK
As far as
Answer to Sebstien Bacher:
Sorry for current delay in my answers: I'm currently busy working longer than
planed in Hồ Chí Minh City and have no time to do the requested test... Could
somebody else test it please?
But I'm not sure every Vietnamese people subscribed to this bug and
interested
Forgot to answer on one point to Sebastien Bacher:
This change is about disabling Vietnamese typing by default in GTK+,
independently of the distribution, so is suitable for upstream, IMHO.
But, we ask for this to be included in Hardy to help us promote Ubuntu
deployment using a LTS with
marking as 'confirmed' for gtk+2.0, I don't see any further information
missing here; I think the request to not make VIQR the default input
method for the vi_VN locale is clear.
** Changed in: gtk+2.0 (Ubuntu)
Status: Incomplete = Confirmed
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Status: Confirmed = Incomplete
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** Changed in: gtk+2.0 (Ubuntu)
Importance: Undecided = Medium
Assignee: (unassigned) = Ubuntu Desktop Bugs (desktop-bugs)
Status: New = Confirmed
Target: None = ubuntu-8.04
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You
I applied the patch to m17n-db 1.3.1 to fix the Backspace problem in
Telex IM.
Source package is on people.ubuntu.com/~arne/m17n-db/
Please sponsor.
(I'm afraid we won't be able to get m17n 1.5.1 into hardy, we are out
of time. Beta freeze is in effect now. Unless of course someone steps up
to
We could organize intensive testing for Vietnamese, but I'm afraid we
won't be able to test every single language provided by m17n-db... :-/
About the language-support-input-vi metapackage, I do confirm that
adding scim-m17n is enough and does work from Hardy Alpha 6 (I've just
tested it). It was
not really a scim problem, and a fixed has been done for m17n-db to get
a minimal working environment
** Changed in: m17n-db (Ubuntu)
Sourcepackagename: scim = m17n-db
Status: Confirmed = Fix Committed
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(not sure about what is the exact meaning of Fix Committed in term of
bug management...)
** Changed in: m17n-db (Ubuntu)
Status: Fix Committed = In Progress
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Hi Sebastien, hi Jean Christophe,
My understanding (which may well be wrong) is that Jean Christophe
doesn't like the VIQR input method provided by GTK+ to be enabled by
default for Vietnamese locales. The input method is provided by file
/usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.10.0/immodules/im-viqr.so, and its
Attached is my COMPLETELY UNTESTED patch to show what I think changes
need to be done for GTK+. Please don't apply it unless some Vietnamese
user has confirmed that it does what he/she desires. I also don't quite
understand how input method choosing works after the backporting of the
change in
Thanks Ming Hua for you summary which is absolutely exact.
Your patch seems quite appropriate too, at least for the previous known GTK+
behavior.
Can somebody generate a .deb from this? Else I'll try through my PPA, but I'm
not sure to have time for this today...
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what gtk changes do you expect there? could you summarize the issue?
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Answer to Sebastien Bacher:
Problem summary:
When choosing some Vietnamese locale like vi_VN, GTK is activating its VIQR
input method automatically (because of im-module hint) which leads to
unexpected typing (for most Vietnamese people, not used to this input method)
and even loss of
[More Hardy Alpha6 Vietnamese support tests]
It seems it's not exactly what I supposed... I see a strange GTK behavior here!
When running a gnome-terminal, the default GTK input method is system and
VIQR is *not* activated.
When running ubiquity, the default GTK input method is also system but
I have added scim-m17n to the language-support-input-vi metapackage.
This should pull the packages in automatically when installing language-support
for Vietnamese.
However, we cannot choose a specific IM to be the 'default' when the scim
applet shows up. The user has to select the module he
Arne said:
(Also, we would have the problem that two IMs (Telex and VNI) are used in VN,
so which one to choose?)
It is better to keep both, if possible, as Telex IM is common in the North of
Vietnam and VNI IM is commoner is Southern Central and Southern Vietnam.
If only one of Telex or VNI
Thanks for this!
About which SCIM method to select, no problem. As soon as all required
Vietnamese input methods are available, it's alright. I also think it's
better to have no default for this for political reasons (classic
North/South conflicts). ;-)
The m17n 1.4.0 is not absolutely required,
The original debian maintainer of libm17n is MIA, so Harshula, who also
packaged the -contrib, -docs and -db packages, took it over and is
currently working on packaging the latest upstream version. So, it seems
we still have to wait a week or two until we have up-to-date packages.
I hope this
Wait is always acceptable if we get what we want right in time! ;-)
Do you think he could do it soon enough to let it in Hardy?
If not, I've attached what is needed to correct the backspace issue.
** Attachment added: Correct Vietnamese Telex backspace issue in m17n-db 1.3.1
I've just tested Hardy Alpha6 and here are my comments about Vietnamese support:
- default keyboard is now US at boot, in Xorg and Ubiquity, thanks to Colin
Watson
- default GTK input method is system which still activate VIQR by default
because of the im-viqr.so im-module hint for vi
I see. Since the input method provided by GTK+ and the one provided by
scim-tables are both named viqr, I was misunderstanding the situation.
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About SCIM (and everything else), look at my first comment on February
26, 2008, detailing all requirements.
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Jean: console-setup's choices are duplicated in gfxboot-theme-ubuntu
(I've dealt with this), and then later handled again from ubiquity. This
should all be in place now.
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I'm not entirely sure what to do with the rest of this, but I'm passing
it over to scim as the best holding area. Arne?
** Changed in: scim (Ubuntu)
Sourcepackagename: ubiquity = scim
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FYI the defaults in console-setup are used during installation to set
the keyboard layout choices throughout the system, i.e. at the boot
loader, at the console, and at X.
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Ok. I've just check the console-setup package content and now I can see
where it does apply. But yet I'm not sure to understand when the
console-setup debconf options are configured during the installation. Is
it from gfxboot or later from ubiquity?
In fact we face problem as soon as we choose
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* Set default layout for Vietnam to 'us' (LP: #191451).
* Treat 'any' as a synonym for 'NoSymbol' in XKB input files (LP: #93077).
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Should it be us(intl) - that is, USA - International (with dead keys),
or just the standard us layout? (I've created a console-setup task for
that portion of the bug.)
I'm not sure what to do with the other part. The console-setup change
should automatically cause the Viqr input method no longer
Hi,
Yes I think that Standard US Layout would be fine!
At least, it's the choice that I currently do with all Ubuntu installations
I've made using Qwerty keyboards in Vietnam so far.
With regards to the Telex input, I'm not very sure what to say. I know
that there is a m17n package which adds a
I'm not sure what to do with the other part. The console-setup change
should automatically cause the Viqr input method no longer to be used,
but doesn't really help you if you actually wanted the Telex input
method. Do you know if that input method is packaged anywhere in Ubuntu?
I think
Ok... Let's precise a few points! ;-)
First of all this bug report really should have been split into two or even
three ones (not sure about the dependence between the first and second one):
- one about the default keyboard choice for Vietnamese in gfxboot, currently VN
but we need US
Oh, and to answer Colin about console-setup (which is about console
mode, isn't it?), in fact there are problems there too but far less
important (IMHO) than in boot and graphic mode. This is because
Vietnamese people are used to type without accents and so can deal with
it if required.
But
Thank you for taking the time to report this issue and helping to improve
Ubuntu!
This report was not reported against a specific package. I have assigned it to
the Ubuntu installer package now as it seems to be the best guess. Correct it
if I am wrong!
Please try to file future bug reports
Thank you for your comment. I did try to use FindRightPackage but I was unsure
about which package to choose, weither it should be Ubiquity or Scim itself.
I feel that setting the importance to only wishlist seems too low for me
(that's from a Vietnamese point of view, of course).
As I'm not a
That is definitively not a wishlist. Vietnamese who install ubuntu will
not be able to login after install. Using VIQR input method at login
screen or any input method other than the standard US keyboard is a no
go
As for the package, it is related to the input method use in GDM,
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The VNI input and the telex input can be installed with the scim-m17n
package. But I second this as 99% of mainland vietnamese would expect a
straight US keyboard out of the box
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