The option display incoming events in the notification area is no more
available in last Empathy 3.6.3 shipped in Raring, so no more way to
force any incoming message to put the chat window on the focus when
Empathy is in the background !
The only indication goes on the MeMenu and I missed it
This has indeed regressed. The problem is that telepathy-indicator
doesn't approve incoming messages until the corresponding menu item is
activated. (Approving means that the channel request is forwared to
Empathy.)
My first idea to fix this was to make telepathy-indicator an observer
only, not
If this is a regression, then shouldn't a new bug report be opened
instead of reopening the old one?
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Sure, why not: bug #1098549.
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Experiencing the same behavior in Onereic x64 with Empathy 3.2.0.1.
I'm going to try @mightye's suggestion to see if new chat windows will open
when receiving a message.
* Check Open cats in separate windows
* Uncheck Display incoming events in the notification area.
I'll post back once I see
There is a regression which re-introduces this bug when running Gnome-
Shell. I am running 3.2.2.1 from the Oneiric PPA
(3.2.2.1-0ubuntu1~oneiric1).
I've tried every combination of options listed in this bug report,
including the most common suggestion here and elsewhere to check Open
chats in
btw, besides the point of the preferences not working, I would be
satisfied with ANY of the following when I receive an IM:
a. chat window pops up and steals focus (lots of people don't like this,
which is understandable)
b. small NON-HIDDEN blinking icon somewhere (some people don't like
this,
These empathy options don't seem to have any effect for me at all.
Ubuntu 11.10, Gnome Shell 3.2.1, Empathy 3.2.0.1. Open chats in
separate windows is checked, Display incoming events in the
notification area is not checked. Contacts window is open but not
focused. Somebody IMs me and the ONLY
For the log of all that is Holy, please add this option. With it being
an option, people can agree or disagree, but at least it will be there
for people like me who are missing conversations because I don't have
the contact list open all the time... I know, there's a little blue
envelop in the
This is not working as expected, can you add another option to force
this? Or make this clear that one has to uncheck Display incoming
events in the notification area. What is happening to me is (Maverick)
that the icon blinks in the notification area but when I ALT+TAB to the
chant window, the
The option is currently called Display incoming events in the
notification area, and you have to turn it off to get new chats to pop
up.
It's not a very clear name for the option I think, but they are aware of
this upstream, as can be read in the GNOME bug report.
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This bug dont seem fixed to me in Maverick is there any option somewhere
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Bugs fixed:
- Fixed #585914, Notification icon must be clicked before user can
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This should definitely be an option. The purpose of INSTANT MESSAGING
is to allow folks to communicate in real-time. If I fail to notice a
chat message then it doesn't allow me to respond instantly.
The folks who are upset about intrusion shouldn't be concern if this
is provided as an option.
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Milestone: lucid-round-4 = maverick-round-3-chat
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Very annoying bug. Please fix it. This is a perfect example where user
choice is the right option.
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With all due respect, I missed a lot of chats or responds them too late because
of this desired behavior. It is ok for developers not to change the design.
I will just switch the IM client.
I wonder if there is a place to vote not to have Empathy as default IM client
in up coming Ubuntu
Anyone know if there is a PPA for the patched version.
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I respond to most of my chats an average of 20-30 minutes late since I
started using Empathy in 10.04. This is unacceptable. There shouldn't
even be a debate about whether or not to include an option for this.
Clearly people want it both ways, so make it work both ways. I have 5
monitors on my
I have another program that has similar behavior. It's called E-Mail. If
I didn't want an instant notification, I wouldn't use IM! Why is this
the default, let alone the ONLY OPTION?
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Hi,
i'm also missing a lot of discussion. Now, i need to check every time if
the notification area changes color :(. Isn't it possible to make it an
option ? Or to make the super notification thing to blink ?
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I loathe Pidgin's UI, but I'll likely be switching back on Lucid if
there isn't a patch for this soon.
I don't understand why people are starting yet another bug report
flamewar over whether or not auto-opening windows for incoming new
messages is the Right Way.
MAKE IT AN OPTION. Then people
anybody who would like to follow this upstream can go to bugzilla here:
https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=585914
that's the current place to check this thing out.
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This is a *VERY SERIOUS* flaw in empathy.
A messaging system where users will often fail to see they have been
messaged is like a mobile phone that has a barely audible ring tone and
doesn't vibrate.
How would you feel if you missed 70% of the phone calls that you
received .. You'd throw the
the previous comment is not rational, you can install piding if you want
and auto-opening dialogs is not the only way to claim the users
attention there
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True, it is not the ONLY way to get the user's attention.
However, the current one (a small icon on the corner of the screen) is
an *incredibly bad one*.
It's not just my opinion of the ones of all the people who's complained
on this issue in this bug, but it's been well documented here
This patch is only a partial solution to the problem but it's a start.
In its current form, the first message received for a new conversation
that is not the first (in other words, the first message of a
conversation to open a new tab instead of a new window) does not set the
urgent hint or update
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the change is non trivial and upstream recommended about it, it seems
rather something for lucid+1
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We should be more open-minded. I have previously replaced empathy with
pidgin just because of this behavior - I have missed important
conversations because I don`t look all my time at screen so I miss osd
notification. If this new usability is considered to be forced, devels
could at least put an
This has also bugged me about empathy. I thought I would eventually get
used to it, but I never did. This behavior has caused me on several
occasions to reply to the wrong person, or just simply not notice that
someone has IMed me.
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Pēteris, sorry, but you're mistaken.
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NotificationDesignGuidelines has said the same
thing on this topic since I wrote it a year ago: When a notification is
not time-critical, and there is a relevant window to display it in,
present the notification as a banner or other text
If the windows are spawning behind other windows, how is it an
interference? They're not disrupting work flow as focus isn't being
stolen and they're not suddenly covering up any windows that are at the
front.
I've never found fault with the way that Pidgin and emesene deal with
conversation
Nurturing old behavioural models isn't exactly best practise.
Notification in right top corner - what else do you need? Do you really
will follow how many conversations and open windows you have under your
current active?
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9 times out of 10 I miss the notification in the top right (in reference
to notify-osd), and I hardly ever notice the indicator-applet status,
usually because it never catches my eye to grab my attention.
I understand that nurturing old models isn't always the best, and that
it does seem
What's proposed here isn't simply nurturing an old model. Let me pose
you this question. If when you received a telephone call your phone did
not ring, but instead a small light turned on on the side of the
handset, don't you think you would miss calls?
The nature of an IM client is fundamentally
I've found how Pidgin handles this issue very well for tabbed chat
windows.
When you're currently focused on a chat window, I get the upper right
notification about a new message and a new tab is added in the current chat
window. Then, I only have to press Ctrl-Tab to see to the next new
Actually, it's not true that it breaks all indicator applet idea. The
messaging menu is a useful aggregator of incoming messages, but we never
intended it as the only method of notifying you of new conversations --
it's not noticable enough for that. New IM conversations should open a
window in
Matthew, no, it is true, it does break current system. I remember quite
clearly that concept of nothing interferes with my work was championed
by Canonical, witch introduced notifications and indicator. It was clear
direction and I welcomed that. Now again there is change in things.
Sorry, but
I strongly disagree with opening windows automatically by default, It
breaks all indicator applet idea and in my humble opinion current way is
the best (give indication that you need to give attention to
conversation. If you can't then you don't have tens of windows lingering
open in the
I have a branch implementing this (see the upstream bug) but it needs
some testing to be sure it always behave properly.
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On up-to-date hardy amd64, when I receive a message, the tray icon start
blinking but the message is not shown. I have to click the tray icon to
see it on a new window (or an open window, depending on my confs). This
is very
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