[Bug 210112] Re: FFe for EnvyNG

2008-04-21 Thread Kees Cook
I have opened bug 220385. -- FFe for EnvyNG https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/210112 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu

[Bug 210112] Re: FFe for EnvyNG

2008-04-21 Thread Kees Cook
Security concerns: while people using Envy are already directly installing software from a non-official repository, if they switch to EnvyNG, they are no less safe. However, since EnvyNG is installable from the repo directly now, it is likely there will be more people installing it, which means mo

[Bug 210112] Re: FFe for EnvyNG

2008-04-21 Thread Sarah Hobbs
stefan, was my, norsetto's, and scottk's n'acks not enough? Do we need to actually use the word "veto" now, rather than saying "we don't want this to go in"? -- FFe for EnvyNG https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/210112 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which

[Bug 210112] Re: FFe for EnvyNG

2008-04-11 Thread StefanPotyra
please close freeze exceptions in uploads... otherwise the karma is all mine :P. Closing. ** Changed in: ubuntu Status: Fix Committed => Fix Released -- FFe for EnvyNG https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/210112 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which

[Bug 210112] Re: FFe for EnvyNG

2008-04-11 Thread StefanPotyra
** Changed in: ubuntu Status: Confirmed => Fix Committed -- FFe for EnvyNG https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/210112 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://li

[Bug 210112] Re: FFe for EnvyNG

2008-04-11 Thread Daniel Holbach
Thanks, uploaded. I'll take care of the bribing, thanks guys. ;-) -- FFe for EnvyNG https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/210112 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https:/

[Bug 210112] Re: FFe for EnvyNG

2008-04-11 Thread StefanPotyra
ok, since I haven't seen veto's here, my ACK together with Luke's make two, setting to confirmed. Oh, please make sure to talk to archive-admins when uploading, thanks. ** Changed in: ubuntu Status: New => Confirmed -- FFe for EnvyNG https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/210112 You received th

[Bug 210112] Re: FFe for EnvyNG

2008-04-11 Thread Michael Vogt
If SRUs are required, I will be happy to assist with them (being a member of the sru-verficiation team) and help sponsoring the fixes. I think its better to have the package in the archive and to be able to issue regular SRUs that people get through the regular channels than if we do not provide a

[Bug 210112] Re: FFe for EnvyNG

2008-04-10 Thread Alberto Milone
Sarah: Envyng won't need to be updated unless there are bugs (reported by users) like any other package. When a new driver is released, I will only have to update my PPA (without touching EnvyNG). -- FFe for EnvyNG https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/210112 You received this bug notification because

[Bug 210112] Re: FFe for EnvyNG

2008-04-10 Thread Sarah Hobbs
How many uploads of EnvyNG will you want to make before release? By the planet spam (which I still think is ridiculous - a lot of people really don't care each time envy gets updated, especially when they don't use it - but i digress), it appears that this is a package which a high number of uploa

[Bug 210112] Re: FFe for EnvyNG

2008-04-10 Thread Alberto Milone
Luke: thank you very much. I have corrected envyng.list as you suggested. Daniel, Bryce, Michael: the correction is in revision 39 of my bzr branch. -- FFe for EnvyNG https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/210112 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subsc

[Bug 210112] Re: FFe for EnvyNG

2008-04-09 Thread Daniel Holbach
Alberto: can you take a look at envyng.list and see what needs to be fixed? Bryce and Michael: would you take over the task of helping Alberto with uploads and SRUs (if necessary) together with me? -- FFe for EnvyNG https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/210112 You received this bug notification becau

[Bug 210112] Re: FFe for EnvyNG

2008-04-09 Thread Luke Yelavich
I'm willing to give this an ack, due to what it offers users for newer hardware/drivers in the future, especially for an LTS. A couple of things I noticed with the envyng-core branch though. In envyng.list, as far as I understand it, PPAs only put packages in main, there is no restricted. There i

[Bug 210112] Re: FFe for EnvyNG

2008-04-09 Thread Mario Limonciello
Although this hasn't gone through the standard 'revu' process, it has had eyes on it from several folks that are core-dev which should be equivalent if not better. I've corresponded with Alberto over a few of these things that went into this, and he is very committed to providing an interim soluti

[Bug 210112] Re: FFe for EnvyNG

2008-04-09 Thread StefanPotyra
I've been thinking about this yesterday when I was under the shower. My conclusion is, that it's very late in the cycle for a new package, which worries me quite a bit. However it would imho still be very nice to have. Now, if someone with upload rights would promise commitment to EnvyNG (i.e. prom

Re: [Bug 210112] Re: FFe for EnvyNG

2008-04-09 Thread Scott Kitterman
I won't object if someone else from motu-release wants to ack this. -- FFe for EnvyNG https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/210112 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https:

[Bug 210112] Re: FFe for EnvyNG

2008-04-09 Thread Daniel Holbach
- Regarding bzr: you can't really say that people have not looked at it yet. I mentioned a couple of times who helped with the integration of it. Also regarding "standarized on": lots of pieces that are developed for the distro are in bzr - how is it relevant to the FFe discussion? - Regarding

Re: [Bug 210112] Re: FFe for EnvyNG

2008-04-09 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Wednesday 09 April 2008 10:06, Daniel Holbach wrote: > The source is in bzr ... Chosing to use tools that aren't the ones we've standarized on will limit the number of people who look at it. I'm against adding this to Universe. 1. It's only purpose is to support proprietary software. 2. B

[Bug 210112] Re: FFe for EnvyNG

2008-04-09 Thread Daniel Holbach
The source is in bzr and was worked on for weeks collaboratively. If you want the email threads of ~70 emails about the review of it, I can forward it to you. -- FFe for EnvyNG https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/210112 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which

[Bug 210112] Re: FFe for EnvyNG

2008-04-09 Thread Scott Kitterman
I just looked on REVU and there's still no package. -- FFe for EnvyNG https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/210112 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.c

[Bug 210112] Re: FFe for EnvyNG

2008-04-08 Thread Daniel Holbach
Scott: Ben Collins, Michael Vogt, Bryce Harrington and I reviewed the package not only for the packaging but the code base. I subscribed them all to the bug. -- FFe for EnvyNG https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/210112 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which

Re: [Bug 210112] Re: FFe for EnvyNG

2008-04-08 Thread Scott Kitterman
Based on the MOTU sponsoring process, nothing has been submitted to be reviewed. -- FFe for EnvyNG https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/210112 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubu

[Bug 210112] Re: FFe for EnvyNG

2008-04-08 Thread Daniel Holbach
If the decision is to review it some more, it'd be good to know what should be reviewed or what is unclear. -- FFe for EnvyNG https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/210112 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing

[Bug 210112] Re: FFe for EnvyNG

2008-04-08 Thread Bryce Harrington
For background, some of the discussion/plans were captured at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EnvyNG. Not sure if that's still 100% up to date though. I've reviewed the Xorg portions of the package in depth, and the remaining portion of the code in brief. All issues I raised were addressed and I have no

[Bug 210112] Re: FFe for EnvyNG

2008-04-03 Thread Scott Kitterman
I still don't see a compelling rationale for a new package now vice using the regular review process for Intrepid and then backporting. -- FFe for EnvyNG https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/210112 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubunt

[Bug 210112] Re: FFe for EnvyNG

2008-04-02 Thread Daniel Holbach
"Ben Collins, Bryce Harrington, Daniel Holbach and Michael Vogt reviewed EnvyNG." The packaging is really simple, but that's not what took so long to be reviewed - it was the integration of the code. -- FFe for EnvyNG https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/210112 You received this bug notification beca

[Bug 210112] Re: FFe for EnvyNG

2008-04-02 Thread Sarah Hobbs
So, this has been in the making from December. Did i miss the correspondence over this package being up for review back in December or so? I'm aware that i'm not subscribed to the REVU list, but I would have expected to see something in #ubuntu-motu, as it's a commonly used package. If so, I apo

[Bug 210112] Re: FFe for EnvyNG

2008-04-01 Thread Alberto Milone
Stefan: The md5sums are still there but are no longer used (the md5 were necessary when used to EnvyNG built the packages locally). I can comment out that part of the code if you deem it necessary. -- FFe for EnvyNG https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/210112 You received this bug notification becau

[Bug 210112] Re: FFe for EnvyNG

2008-04-01 Thread StefanPotyra
Ok, I've taken a closer look now. First off, there is no policy problem: The package itself doesn't do anything that's not coming from an official mirror in the *packaging*. Programs that the package ships do so, but that's perfectly allowed (a webbrowser with javascript also downloads code fro

[Bug 210112] Re: FFe for EnvyNG

2008-04-01 Thread Daniel Holbach
1) Directory: pool/multiverse/g/googleearth-package 2) I don't see how it could go into 'partner' - 'partner' is for Business partners of Canonical. 3) Alberto agreed to send out a notice to solicit testing of packages in PPA. Lots of work has been put into making EnvyNG a maintainable solution w

[Bug 210112] Re: FFe for EnvyNG

2008-04-01 Thread Cesare Tirabassi
I tend to agree with Scott on this. This might well be one of the most used universe packages and stuffing this in at the last moment without any evidence of any testing doesn't look very wise. -- FFe for EnvyNG https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/210112 You received this bug notification because you

Re: [Bug 210112] Re: FFe for EnvyNG

2008-04-01 Thread Scott Kitterman
Thinking about this some more, I think Canonical sponsoring this through Partner would probably be the best solution. -- FFe for EnvyNG https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/210112 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bu

Re: [Bug 210112] Re: FFe for EnvyNG

2008-04-01 Thread Scott Kitterman
In the case of other package like the nonfree Flash, we upload a set package based on md5sum. When Flash gets updated, we update the package via -proposed and then -updates. IIRC the Google packages are distributed by Canonical in Partner and are not part of Ubuntu. A PPA is not an Ubuntu rep

[Bug 210112] Re: FFe for EnvyNG

2008-04-01 Thread Daniel Holbach
The packaging is already done, it's in bzr too. The old envy used to build kernel module packages from the binary blobs on the net. What EnvyNG does is rely on packages that are distributed over PPA. This makes life easier for people who rely on the latest and greatest drivers to make use of their

[Bug 210112] Re: FFe for EnvyNG

2008-04-01 Thread Alberto Milone
Scott: Just to make things clear, we've been working on this since December 2007. It's not something we decided yesterday. If by "3rd party repositories" you refer to my PPA, I really fail to see your point. -- FFe for EnvyNG https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/210112 You received this bug notifica

Re: [Bug 210112] Re: FFe for EnvyNG

2008-04-01 Thread Scott Kitterman
>The code was reviewed and we worked together so that EnvyNG could not >cause any problem to Ubuntu. Furthermore EnvyNG relies upon my PPA >(reviewed by Ben Collins), thanks to which I can update the versions of >the drivers without having to update EnvyNG. The drivers in the repo use >DKMS and don

Re: [Bug 210112] Re: FFe for EnvyNG

2008-04-01 Thread Scott Kitterman
What significant advantage is there to stuffing this in at the last minute over an early backport fron Intrepid? -- FFe for EnvyNG https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/210112 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs ma

Re: [Bug 210112] Re: FFe for EnvyNG

2008-04-01 Thread Scott Kitterman
I don't think the package needs to be perfect, but there ought to at least be a draft. -- FFe for EnvyNG https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/210112 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lis

[Bug 210112] Re: FFe for EnvyNG

2008-04-01 Thread Alberto Milone
I have changed the status of my branches. A brief explanation: This branch contains the main program, the textual interface and the translations: https://code.launchpad.net/~albertomilone/envy/envyng-core This branch contains only the QT4 interface: https://code.launchpad.net/~albertomilone/envy

[Bug 210112] Re: FFe for EnvyNG

2008-04-01 Thread StefanPotyra
Scott: iirc it's the other way round, first FFe then reviews. Or do I remember s.th. incorrectly? -- FFe for EnvyNG https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/210112 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubunt

[Bug 210112] Re: FFe for EnvyNG

2008-04-01 Thread Daniel Holbach
No, the old Envy never was in the archive, but one of the most used 3rd party apps around: http://www.albertomilone.com/nvidia_scripts1.html Alberto put a lot of effort into getting https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EnvyNG into shape and comply with ideas Ben, Michael and Bryce had about the topic. -- FFe

Re: [Bug 210112] Re: FFe for EnvyNG

2008-04-01 Thread Scott Kitterman
We're supposed to have a reviewed and tested package before we do the FFe. I'd suggest whoever is packaging this upload to REVU so it's clear what's being discussed. Is the old Envy in the archive? -- FFe for EnvyNG https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/210112 You received this bug notification bec

[Bug 210112] Re: FFe for EnvyNG

2008-04-01 Thread Daniel Holbach
Sorry Alberto, can you please update the branch status in LP then? https://code.launchpad.net/~albertomilone/envy/envyng/+edit ** Description changed: Ben Collins, Bryce Harrington, Daniel Holbach and Michael Vogt reviewed EnvyNG and would like to see it in Universe for Hardy: - - https://cod

[Bug 210112] Re: FFe for EnvyNG

2008-04-01 Thread StefanPotyra
Sure. ACK #1. -- FFe for EnvyNG https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/210112 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs

[Bug 210112] Re: FFe for EnvyNG

2008-04-01 Thread Alberto Milone
Can you exclude this branch (since I've moved its content to envyng-core), please? https://code.launchpad.net/~albertomilone/envy/envyng Thanks -- FFe for EnvyNG https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/210112 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribe