Reading the upstream bug and since there is no plan how this problem
should be fixed I think we can mark it as wishlisth.
Meanwhile we can talk / implement a workaround by not distributing RTL
translations for CLI apps:
https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-translations/+bug/389428
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Importance: Undecided
Status: New
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Hi Shahar,
Also check out this recent thread on ubuntu-translators list:
https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-
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Dear Eyal,
Thanks.
I know about it. David started the discussion after I sent a message to
Ubuntu about it.
Many blessings.
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Dear friends,
If we are to consider this to be a bug somewhere, and even if we try to
work around it for now, in which software is this bug, please?
I think that clearly it isn't a bug in gnome-terminal, right?
This is for the formalities and for really understanding where this
comes from and
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Dear friends,
I love you all.
Please put some more love into this matter as I think our fighting
Israeli mentality can use some love.
Let's revive this issue, please.
If I understood correctly, there is agreement that the solution decided upon is:
1. Removing Hebrew translation from CLI
I've recently opened bug 389428 hoping it would be more straightforward.
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Sourcepackagename: langpack-locales = gnome-terminal
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Yaron:
Read again what I read. This is not something worth spending time. Even
if you hack the terminal code inside the kernel to display bidi
(doable!), applications will have no control over the visual location of
the phisical cursor. Ok, lets add new API for that. Now you broke *all*
legacy
FINALLYIt took us too many time to get to the initial conclusion I
reported in the first place
I would like to thank Tomer in person for making a joke out of me and
putting my ideas out of context, thank you very much... for nothing!
I hope that ends our non efficient discussion so far...
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Yaron,
Nobody was trying to make a joke out of you. It's just a discussion and
sometimes people disagree.
On this matter I have to agree with Diego - CLI applications should not be
translated at all.
CLI is an environment for advanced users and those usually don't work with
Hebrew
I agree with shlomil, but prefer not to install extra package just to
fix issues exists because of another package.
By the way, The Firefox translation bugs are fixed in Ubuntu since I
last checked? If not, this may require similar work too.
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Shlomi, it wasn't a disagreement, my initial notice was ignored, my
suggestion in the first place was the same as what you just wrote, thats not
a disagreement this is a total disrespect towards me
Our fellow here decided that reading the contents of the bug report is
useless, he fed up with the
Yaron - Do you mind telling me why you are talking about upstreams when
the bug summary is for Hebrew messages in the console? It is possible I
am misunderstanding you, but I am not sure if this is the case.
Lior Kaplan is too lazy to login and add his comment. I hope he is watching
this bug.
Lets stop the insanity and talk facts:
1) full screen console, tty[0-9] are handled by linux. Arabeyes were
working on a a project which would mirror the display. But such daemon
would break applications which handle their own BiDi, for those who
don't know, it would mess the cursor position.
2)
As Kaplan said - Hebrew in console applications is disabled in Debian,
and probably because of configuration error are being shipped in Ubuntu.
I suggest creating a new bug for removing Hebrew support from console
applications (please select carefully which packages, as some of them we
may prefer
Diego, you are my favorite!!!
All I said is that this is a bug, our miniature Israeli community does not
have enough resources to handle such a great mission
Maybe the Persian or the proffessional developers from Canonical can handle
such a mess
The fact is that today as translators we have
I am sorry, you wrong.
DOS never had Hebrew support and the characters set was limited to
Extended ASCII (8 bit). Linux terminal is much more powerful and can
support wide range of characters and styles. As for printers, the main
reason you see them running on DOS operating system and using
Our only problem is lack of resourcesWith enough resources even this can be
solved
And no one talked about reversed order, its not mentioned as a solution even
once so its irrelevant to our discussion
About disabling the ability to show Hebrew translated strings (not
characters) in CLI, if you
Thank you for submitting this bug.
I think this bug is related with the source package langpack-locales.
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What is Hebrew is displayed incorrectly? Can you be more specific and
a screenshot to demonstrate your problem(s)?
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No need to attach a screenshot
this one is very simple
While using Hebrew translated CLI apps (Most of them are done by Eli
Zaretsky) the text is rendered from left to right instead of right to left
What Eli did is is a little trick to bypass this bug by translating the
entire app backwards
Can you give examples for applications translated in such silly way?
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Screenshot attached.
Ubuntu 8.10.
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Is it Ubuntu-specific issue or it comes from the upstream?
I know similar issues and solutions.
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If I'm not mistaken it's coming from Debian.
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Than it is not Ubuntu-specific. How do you think to solve it? The
easiest way is to use terminal application which support BiDi, such as
mlterm.
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Than it is not Ubuntu-specific. How do you think to solve it? The easiest
way is to use terminal application which support BiDi, such as mlterm.
On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 00:39, Eyal Levin eya...@gmail.com wrote:
If I'm not mistaken it's coming from Debian.
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Tomer... the translations are coming from Debian
And you can always suggest a solution if you have one, As you probably
already know Ubuntu is a derivative of Debian but that doesn't mean that
there are no home made solutions, there are many Ubuntu specific solutions
that with a small effort from
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