[Bug 331054] Re: Do not launch in background

I don't think the proposed behavior is bad. An unfocused window isn't too disturbing, at least for me. Anyway, if security updates are considered so important, I would seriously think of making them be installed automatically by default. I think this is the best way of doing it for most users who

[Bug 331054] Re: Do not launch in background

I've posted to ubuntu-devel, but it is stuck in the moderation queue. -- Do not launch in background https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/331054 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ub

[Bug 331054] Re: Do not launch in background

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[Bug 331054] Re: Do not launch in background

I thought better: I wouldn't like an application to be opened automatically, even unfocused. I wrote my suggestions on ubuntu-devel as well. -- Do not launch in background https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/331054 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is s

[Bug 331054] Re: Do not launch in background

May I add the following anecdote as a reason to revert to the old behaviour: My mother, by any standard a computer illiterate person, discovered the notification icon on her own and regularly updates her 8.04 machine. The behaviour was clearly good enough to illicit her attention. I had never told

[Bug 331054] Re: Do not launch in background

I was wondering why I don't get update-notifier icon any more, and understand now that this is a new feature, replaced by something akin to those pop-unders in the browser (which by the way, I so far have not ever seen in my several jaunty test installations!). Recently I gave my step-father a la

[Bug 331054] Re: Do not launch in background

So, update-manager is supposed to open, but not be visible. When I restarted, update-manager appeared after about one minute. Windows should not open randomly without the user requesting it. ** Summary changed: - Do not autolaunch + Do not launch in background ** Description changed: Binary

[Bug 331054] Re: Do not launch in background

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=6756704. I'll look into the mailing list. -- Do not launch in background https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/331054 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-

[Bug 331054] Re: Do not launch in background

"So, if it's grabbing the focus for you, please report that as a bug" There is a longstanding bugreport open about this: bug 35876. Of course it would be nice if this is going to be fixed in the next few weeks, but it has been open for three years already. -- Do not launch in background https://

[Bug 331054] Re: Do not launch in background

"I believe auto-updating is available as an option. It would not be the default." I know it is available as an option, provided by the unattended-upgrades package. But it seems putting this dialog in front of the user everytime there is an update is a way of pushing the user into actually installi

[Bug 331054] Re: Do not launch in background

I didn't understand why with this default option, there is no more the feature to show a notify (either in the tray, or a bubble) when an update is available. I don't care if the application is automatically started every 2 days, but I really can't understand why it does no more notify on new updat

[Bug 331054] Re: Do not launch in background

How do I disable this new "feature" or do I need to completely remove update-manager and thus the ubuntu-desktop package as well? -- Do not launch in background https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/331054 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed t

[Bug 331054] Re: Do not launch in background

If I read the gconf key correctly I just need to disable apps/update- notifier/auto_launch to get the old behavior? -- Do not launch in background https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/331054 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. --

[Bug 331054] Re: Do not launch in background

Yes, that's the one. -- Do not launch in background https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/331054 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinf

[Bug 331054] Re: Do not launch in background

Mark, Perhaps we should have a message of some sort either when the app launches or in the release notes (many users however don't read it) letting the user know what is going on. This would help reduce confusion as to why there is now (as opposed to pre Jaunty) a running program awaiting input on

[Bug 331054] Re: Do not launch in background

If Ubuntu insist of spamming me with auto-opening windows, I'm afraid I'll have to go to Fedora. I realise that the loss of one person isn't an issue, but I'm sure many other long-term users such as me will feel the same way. -- Do not launch in background https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/331054 Y

[Bug 331054] Re: Do not launch in background

Ah, so it's just copying of OS X then, I did wonder. I'm afraid OS X is not the pinnacle of usabilty, and this pathetic attempt to copy it is clearly wrong. Unattended upgrades installs security upgrades well enough thank you. -- Do not launch in background https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/331054

[Bug 331054] Re: Do not launch in background

Bruce, Albeit the MacOS and the new Ubuntu way may not be perfect it is clearly superior to the Windows default method of installing updates silently as soon as it gets a connection to the internet and then rebooting your system without your permission. Yes you can delay it if you are sitting at t

[Bug 331054] Re: Do not launch in background

I was not advocating the Windows way. Ubuntu is not Windows, and Ubuntu is not OS X; and quite right so. Ubuntu is something else, and should not emulate other systems. -- Do not launch in background https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/331054 You received this bug notification because you are a memb

[Bug 331054] Re: Do not launch in background

With allowances for familiarity, we do things in Ubuntu based on whether they are a good idea, not based on whether other OSes do them. BTW, the design guidelines Mark mentioned are at . -- Do not launch in background https://bugs.launchpad.n

[Bug 331054] Re: Do not launch in background

As you may have noticed, I'm a stroppy bastard. I'll post to ubuntu- devel with my concerns properly laid out in a wonderfully constucted e-mail soon enough. -- Do not launch in background https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/331054 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu

[Bug 331054] Re: Do not launch in background

I'm sorry but as someone who spends quite a lot of time working with less experienced users, alarm bells start ringing as soon as the idea of "auto-opening" windows are mentioned. New/none technically oriented users to Ubuntu and Windows alike will not be terribly comfortable with the window list a

[Bug 331054] Re: Do not launch in background

I don't think a new bug is the best way to tackle this as the new behaviour for update manager is the route of this problem ("Do not launch in background" is the best title to describe the issues I can think of), in real use cases opening a new window without telling users why is not a good way to

Re: [Bug 331054] Re: Do not launch in background

Bruce, changing the bug description but insisting it's a bug isn't constructive. The intended behaviour of update-manager is that it open the window, in the background. We aren't going to leave a bug open when the behaviour conforms to the intended behaviour. If you think there's better behaviour

Re: [Bug 331054] Re: Do not launch in background

We've built a more consistent model of how applications should lead users to be aware of decisions they need to take. Updates are important decisions, we need to catalyse a decision. We don't need to completely interrupt the workflow, but we need to put this decision "into the queue". Rather than

Re: [Bug 331054] Re: Do not launch in background

Ok, I'm not against this change yet, we have to use this for a while before making a decision if we like it or not. What I cannot really understand is why the default option is to wait for 2 days before the window is opened, even if a new update is available. (we're not in a stable release, and it'

Re: [Bug 331054] Re: Do not launch in background

Chris If the window that opens shows you the list of updates and asks if you want to apply them, then that's clear enough as a rationale for the window's existence. I think there should be an option to prevent auto-downloading of the Packages files, but that would be a separate bug. As a more so

Re: [Bug 331054] Re: Do not launch in background

Bruce Cowan wrote: > If Ubuntu insist of spamming me with auto-opening windows, I'm afraid > I'll have to go to Fedora. I realise that the loss of one person isn't > an issue, but I'm sure many other long-term users such as me will feel > the same way. > You have security updates. In the absence

Re: [Bug 331054] Re: Do not launch in background

Bruce, as I said very clearly, what MacOS does is neither a rationalization nor a justification for us doing what we do. Still, it's useful information because it speaks to what may be familiar to some users. In the end, we are making changes because we think they are for the best. I would ask y

Re: [Dx-team] [Bug 331054] Re: Do not launch in background

Tom, you make a good point that users might not see the window when they go to shutdown. It would perhaps be useful for the shutdown dialog to know that updates are available, and have an option to install them during the shutdown. Would you file a separate bug for that, on update-manager? There's

Re: [Dx-team] [Bug 331054] Re: Do not launch in background

There are often differences of opinion about what makes for better usability. A bug report is a poor place to discuss those, because you end up talking only to the people who agree that it's a bug. I'm only here because I have a specific interest in this first wave of reactions to the work I've pu