Il 08/08/2009 00:32, solar.george ha scritto:
> OT but, I'd like to thank the Canonical employees (and any others) who
> have remained civil despite the huge number of childish (to say the
> least) comments and having to repeat themselves many times only in order
> to be ignored again.
The custom
Il 07/08/2009 11:37, Alex Strasheim ha scritto:
> But it seems clear to me that we have Canonical people on one side of
> this, and users on the other. If a strong majority of users don't want
> this, should it remain in Ubuntu? Even if Canonical people think that
> the users are wrong?
You are
Milestone to ensure this gets nuked as soon as alpha-4 is out shortly.
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OT but, I'd like to thank the Canonical employees (and any others) who
have remained civil despite the huge number of childish (to say the
least) comments and having to repeat themselves many times only in order
to be ignored again.
I remain fully confident that this fuss will be sorted out once t
Nice work Canonical. Usually people don't shit where they eat, but you
just pulled a classic Microsoft move by installing some adware/spyware
crap without telling users.
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Hi
Jose Hevia wrote:
> they looking at what I search.
quoting Alex from his blog on the subject of the collected data:
"We only look at the relative usage ratio of the four search places
mentioned; and I strongly disagree that there is any privacy impact. We
only get aggregated results and we on
This is a terrible 'feature' and I have to second many of the concerns
voiced here.
I don't mind anonymous data being sent if I asked up front (a la the
packages I install) but you shouldn't bounce these requests off your
server in order to collect user data, reduce functionality (@Lenar) and
add
Awesome work, guys. I had to search to find why the university I work
for is giving up Ubuntu for Red Hat. The reason: RED HAT AREN'T SECRETLY
CHANGING THE BACKEND TO PERSONALLY PROFIT. At least they're fucking
_open_ about it.
Seriously, WTF? Telling people to disable this shit is _not_ the
solut
Why is this an addon rather than a search plugin? At least, the search
components should be listed as a search plugin (and separate from the
default Google one), since that's exactly what it's doing and where I
would expect to find it.
If that had been the case, I wouldn't have lost 1.5 hours look
This is the definition of adware, nothing else: Reroute every search
term to generate traffic and revenue. What's next? Reroute all
amazon.com URLs through the amazon.com partner program?
Please, for the spirit of Ubuntu, keep the search interface as it still
is on Firefox 3.0.x.
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IMO, if the data is anonymized (and I'd be shocked if Google was
releasing non-anonymized data): no harm, no foul.
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Guys I suggest we move the unrelated comments to this more related bug report:
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox-3.5/+bug/410343
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Mostly I would like to reiterate everything above, especially by Jared Biel and
Lenar.
I am also reiterating my comment on
this:http://www.asoftsite.org/s9y/archives/162-What-is-this-Multisearch-thing-in-my-Firefox-about.html
which has not yet been approved and might not be, but doesn't contain
Sorry, a typo:
You can't give a GOOD service, and them modify it
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As a user, if they try to force this by default, I have to say I will
remove Ubuntu from my 3 computers and will be back to Debian.
It doesn't matter I can modify it, I shouldn't.
You can't give a bad service, and them modify it, like the update-
manager thing, they are modifying things that alre
I don't know whether or not the "spyware" claims are justified -- I
suspect they aren't. And I don't know how this compares to what the
Mozilla people do with Google. Maybe it's similar.
But it seems clear to me that we have Canonical people on one side of
this, and users on the other. If a str
Arora, the new default browser for Kubuntu, has a helpful feature for
their "start" page. The search box uses the currently selected search
engine so it's not hardcoded to be Google.
http://arorabrowser.blogspot.com/2009/07/new-start-page.html
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Separating the addon into another package ++
Informing the user before he has chance to use the search ++
Also - Feature Freeze is on August 27th, UI Freeze on September 10th. That more
or less indicates that if nothing is changed during the next 3 weeks, we're
stuck with what's available now. T
I appologize for not reading this entire bug report because I feel
vehement about posting my opinion on the plugin. I realize that some of
my concerns may have been addressed already. I am merely posting them as
another "vote" for how bad of an idea this plugin is.
Please obliterate this plugin. I
If this extension is going to stay for release, perhaps it should be removed
from the core firefox and left as a separate package, something like the way
firefox-3.0-gnome-support was done. System administrators would be able to
easily bring back the expected Firefox functionality for all their
@Lenar: Thanks you for the well written and detail rich notes in comment
#48.
The functional and aesthetic issues raised in comment #48 shall be
considered an extension of the list of issues that will be considered as
bugs in comment #24.
Cheers, Rick
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1) http://www.google.com/search?q=1+eur+in+usd
displays: '1 Euro = 1.4391 U.S. dollars' as "first" result, google through
multisearch doesn't
2) http://www.google.com/search?q=5%2B5
displays: '5 + 5 = 10', multisearch doesn't
3) http://www.google.com/search?q=1+lb+in+kg
displays: '1 pound
On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 2:30 PM, Lenar wrote:
> 4) all those things not working it displays Google logo before search box.
> Hello???
> At real Google site all those things actually work.
What do you mean? Sample url, please.
:-Dustin
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1) currency conversion still does not work
2) simple arithmetics still do not work
3) measurement units conversion doesn't work also
4) all those things not working it displays Google logo before search box.
Hello???
At real Google site all those things actually work.
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Give this a shot:
* http://people.canonical.com/~kirkland/search2.html
It should look identical to the current default tab in firefox (the
ubuntu search thing).
However, search for something in there, and you should see some
different behavior.
For instance, search for "dvd":
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http://people.
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1) if there were extensive discussion why no developer *cared* to reply
to me and I had to wait for the boss to come back from vacation? Did
somebody participate in the UDS at all? And then why didn't these guys
reply? I am very curious.
2) It may be as well that *you* discussed that. Users are no
BTW, source of response: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-
mozillateam/2009-July/000782.html
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>From Mr. Shuttleworth:
"There were extensive discussions at the last *two* UDS's about how we
might change the search. This is helping us gather data. There's no
secret cabal at work. I understand your concerns, but wanted to set the
record straight about the public discussion. Your feedback on t
"Any new collection of user data without an EXPLICIT DISCLAIMER is
UNETHICAL.". I agree, in fact, solving this bug right now is not the
only needed thing. A public statement about commitment to "being
ethical" would be much more appreciated. But for this we need a good
definition of ethical. Sugges
I would like to register my extreme disapproval of what happened here.
Any change that puts revenue and/or collection of user data BEFORE
functionality is UNACCEPTABLE.
Any new collection of user data without an EXPLICIT DISCLAIMER is UNETHICAL.
What distinguishes Ubuntu from many of the other di
I certainly hope this gets changed soon. This would be one *killer* bug,
making Firefox less usable in Ubuntu. This breaks the standard Firefox
behavior, plain and simple.
Please don't include this in the final release. I'm begging you!
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canonical earning money from searches, which goes to pay developers = good (its
how mozilla are funded)
google searches from ubuntu's firefox lacking features = bad, makes ubuntu look
inferior
canonical having a list of all our searches = creepy, where is the privacy
policy?
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It has *not* always been like that. Now searching in the search box uses
the custom search, but in the search box I see the google logo, and
there's no clue that you're going to search with a specialised search
engine. At least the logo should be changed. I *know* the search is on
the google server
This happewns on my machine too. I just hit the search button on the
location bar and it takes you right to the regular google search, Or to
what ever else you have it set to.Its too small to be of any use to me.
But its always been like that
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I'll be watching this bug report closely, because this a show-stopper for me.
I can fix it on my setup, but I don't feel like supporting this fix or these
sort of intense changes to the default firefox.
Some notes:
- this "feels" like spyware/adware. The biggest (and almost only)
selling point
I would like to make a suggestion:
If you install extensions or other data gathering applications in the
testing cycle do the following:
Inform the user to the best of you abilities about your intentions. In the case
of Multisearch a link on the search page leading to an explanation would be
GR
Also, don't let my last comment fool you into thinking that I'm cool
with the data collection.
I'd like a more candid explanation of what this data consists of.
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Can't the custom search page be modified using the Google Custom Search
API?
If you guys can somehow restore images, news, blogs, etc while
maintaining the experimental code, then go for it.
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I can't find a statement about the "collected data" ... could you please tell
us a little bit
more about this feature.
Is this an idea from the "Department of Homeland Security"? Collecting data to
preserve
our freedom?
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Il 24/07/2009 19:16, Rick Spencer ha scritto:
> Change #2 is just an artefact of collecting the usage data. We could
> only see what parts of the FF UI people were using to do searches if we
> sent them to our custom page. This usage data is important because it
> helps us channel design and devel
Here the post i promissed: http://www.asoftsite.org/s9y/archives/162
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Alluding to the fact that Mozilla and Google already collect the same
data is not a very good argument. No consent was given for other parties
to collect this data as well as no notification that it was being done.
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Thank you Alex I'd quote but don't know how in launchpad, is it back
ported? as stated I'm not using karmic (and glad for that at the moment)
II sure all the jaunty 3.5 users have waited long enough for this. But
back on topic this is just plain scary I hope it goes away in all forms
before final o
Thanks all for your comments on this bug. Thanks to all for testing the
alpha and for contributing to making Karmic as great as it can be. I
appreciate the measured and respectful tone of the reporting.
I take these concerns very seriously. Please allow me to summarize the
issues raised here, and
Eric, note he didn't answer me asking pretty much the same question in
this very bug report.
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Alex, I've asked you repeatedly on IRC and you keep dodging the
question.
For the last time: Who is the mastermind behind Multisearch and who is
requiring its implementation?
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Whoah whoah whoah. Hold on for a second.
WHAT KIND of data are you gathering?
Correct me if I'm incorrect, but you just implied that this extension,
which is forcefully installed without any kind of user knowledge or
consent, is designed in part to collect search data.
Without user knowledge or
Alexander:
You stated that Multisearch is "something that is just used during
alpha3-4 cycle to understand better how our users (would) use the
various search places." Can I get a clear explanation of what
Multisearch actually does? This statement makes it sound as if you are
attempting to track o
There are those of us who do not even like Google and even having to
disable this is a slap in the face.
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Alexander:
i am agreed that we should drop the multisearch extension.
I personally like the idea of the "Out There Designs" found
http://labs.mozilla.com/2009/03/firefox-new-tab-next-iteration/
But it will only slow FF down at least i feel it would and we cant affourd to
slow it down at this tim
To whoever lies behind the decision to put a revenue-gathering extension
in the base browser package: this is not the way to win support from
free software users. If you want to enable your users to assist in
gathering revenue for your company or group do it in a totally open and
completely volunta
Currency conversions don't work either. That's what lead me here.
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On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 02:35:16AM -, Jess Miller wrote:
> The problems I have with Multisearch:
>
> 1) The name of the extension is not easily related to its
> effect. "Multisearch" does affect searches, but only Google
> searches. To me, it sounds more like "something that adds a pack of
> s
On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 04:18:12AM -, Corey Buckingham wrote:
> is crapware, just one question: is the "Ubuntu firefox Modifications"
> addon up to date yet? I'd hate to think this got done before the addon
Yes, ubufox is up-to-date and working on firefox-3.0 and 3.5 (and even
3.6); also I upl
i'm not using karmic just ran across the post in the forms. I agree this
is crapware, just one question: is the "Ubuntu firefox Modifications"
addon up to date yet? I'd hate to think this got done before the addon
that actually integrates firefox with the desktop. seeing as how they've
had three mo
The problems I have with Multisearch:
1) The name of the extension is not easily related to its effect. "Multisearch"
does affect searches, but only Google searches. To me, it sounds more like
"something that adds a pack of search options" than "something that changes a
standard Google search i
Alexander,
Why do you refer to the extension in a very "so called" manner? Are you
not the maintainer of firefox-3.0 and firefox-3.5 in Ubuntu? It sounds
almost as if you were forced to implement this.
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Such a sad surprise. What to expect next? I used to trust Ubuntu and was
promoting this distro at work and among my friends, but it's impossible
to rely on those who install to my computer unrequested software (an
adware, frankly speaking), which mangles my search results. It's not
"testing new fea
Just to clarify something: the strong response is not because this
feature "touches areas we use for our daily work". It is because the
lack of 'features' like this is why we love Ubuntu in the first place.
This is Ubuntu; I do not expect it to act like windows malware. The
strong response is becau
Hi,
thanks for raising your concerns on "Multisearch" in this bug. Here a
few things:
1. We understand that you have a strong opinion about this change as it
potentially touches areas you use for your daily work. Anyway, we are still at
alpha stage and trying new things out and gather usage data
A user new to Ubuntu would likely respond to multisearch with "Google
does not work on Ubuntu" which a very bad result indeed. Multisearch
add-on should go away until it can at least draw parity with plain old
google.com search results.
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This is a flagrant breach of trust. You installed something on my
computer that I absolutely didn't want installed. Apart from the FOSS
philosophy, the one thing that makes me love Linux is that I don't have
to have ads rammed down my throat when using it. Or at least I didn't
use to.
I suggest yo
The custom search also has no links to images, videos, maps, etc. If
someone was hoping to enter a search term and then do a Google image
search, this will not work without disabling the add-on.
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I'd really like to know who developed this extension and why it was
decided that it was a required part of the firefox-3.0/firefox-3.5
package. As it stands, the sole purpose of this extension seems to be to
direct users to Google's Ubuntu Partner Custom Search for more
impressions.
It can also be
There is a heated discussion about the necessity of the multisearch addon and
the reasons and methods of its inclusion in the forums:
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1219501
Personally I think the add on should go away, and the sooner the better. It is
unpleasant aesthetically, forces a
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Thanks. To workaround you can disable the extension in tools -> addons.
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