[Bug 507990] Re: Please include the old Kaddress book in KDE SC 4.4

2010-08-20 Thread Daniel Velasco
I tested overwriting kaddressbook.mo and kabcommon.mo in kde4-l10n-es using the ones from kde 4.3.5, and with this the localization is ok. I'm almost certain (but haven't tested it yet) that replacing the kaddressbook LC_MESSAGES in the source of each kde4-l10n-xx would make a right localization,

Re: [Bug 507990] Re: Please include the old Kaddress book in KDE SC 4.4

2010-08-20 Thread Scott Kitterman
It's too late to remove it. It's in the release. The lack of localization is enough to make the 4.3.5 PIM unsuitable for the main archive. -- Please include the old Kaddress book in KDE SC 4.4 https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/507990 You received this bug notification because you are a member of

[Bug 507990] Re: Please include the old Kaddress book in KDE SC 4.4

2010-08-20 Thread Daniel Velasco
I don't want to begin the discussion again, but I disagree with Scott Kitterman. For old users, kde 4.4 kaddressbook is useless as it lacks functionality, and the data created with 4.3 version is not fully usable. For new users, the bugs and incompletness of the application damages the image of

Re: [Bug 507990] Re: Please include the old Kaddress book in KDE SC 4.4

2010-08-20 Thread Scott Kitterman
A ppa maintained by the interested people is the best way to address this. -- Please include the old Kaddress book in KDE SC 4.4 https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/507990 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Kubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to kdepim in ubuntu. -- kubunt

[Bug 507990] Re: Please include the old Kaddress book in KDE SC 4.4

2010-08-20 Thread Daniel Velasco
I don't know if this bug is still valid, but I've created a ppa with kaddressbook replaced with 4.3.5. it's not perfect yet, because it needs the localization from 4.3.5, so it's in english. ppa:yoalieh/ppa -- Please include the old Kaddress book in KDE SC 4.4 https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/50

[Bug 507990] Re: Please include the old Kaddress book in KDE SC 4.4

2010-08-14 Thread yoalieh
Hi, I've compiled a while ago 4.4.2 kdepim packages using 4.3.5 using Kumaran Santhanam instructions for rolling back to 4.3.5 kaddressbook, and right now I'm recompiling 4.4.5 ppa packages. Is there someway of replacing for later sub releases of lucid as a bug fix? I can try and get a diff from

[Bug 507990] Re: Please include the old Kaddress book in KDE SC 4.4

2010-05-03 Thread Kumaran Santhanam
I was able to compile Kontact 4.4.2 with the stable address book from 4.3.5. Could the Ubuntu team include this instead of the unstable upstream version? Instructions for compiling this version are here: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=233078 ** Bug watch added: KDE Bug Tracking System #233

Re: [Bug 507990] Re: Please include the old Kaddress book in KDE SC 4.4

2010-02-16 Thread Scott Kitterman
I'd add that kdepimlibs doesn't promise binary compatibility from one release to the next. It would not be surprising if you needed KDE4.3 kdepimlibs too. Quite a number of other KDE packages also build depend on it, so it gets very complex, very quickly. -- Please include the old Kaddress book

[Bug 507990] Re: Please include the old Kaddress book in KDE SC 4.4

2010-02-16 Thread Jonathan Thomas
Amarok 2.0 was a bit different, I think, in that we weren't forced to upgrade. Amarok is released by itself, tied to nothing, and we would have had no trouble supporting it for the timeframe of Jaunty. We didn't, because there was a push to get KDE3 off of the Live CD. We didn't make this goal anyw

[Bug 507990] Re: Please include the old Kaddress book in KDE SC 4.4

2010-02-16 Thread TK
Scott: First, let me thank you and all of the contributors for your hard work. I while I am not a software developer, I have made good use of the Kubuntu team's contributions for quite some time. Using this defect report as an example, one challenge the Kubuntu distribution faces is integrating t

Re: [Bug 507990] Re: Please include the old Kaddress book in KDE SC 4.4

2010-02-11 Thread Scott Kitterman
Kubuntu is almost entirely volunteer developed. So far no one has volunteered to do the work. Additional complaints that our volunteer time isn't spent the way you would like are not likely to cause any existing developers to suddenly do this work. Your odds are better trying to find a community

[Bug 507990] Re: Please include the old Kaddress book in KDE SC 4.4

2010-02-11 Thread TK
"We can of course waste 500 hours of mine and your spare time in arguing over why this is necessary and important" Interesting you would think of spending hundreds of hours arguing to justify your position rather than understanding user requirements and working towards solutions. Kaddressbook in

[Bug 507990] Re: Please include the old Kaddress book in KDE SC 4.4

2010-02-11 Thread TK
"Actually reading previous comments would answer all your questions." Perhaps believing Kubuntu was a user focused distribution blocked my comprehension of previous statements: "As this version is not feature-complete, please include the old (KDE <= 4.3.x) version in *Ubuntu 10.04 so that users

[Bug 507990] Re: Please include the old Kaddress book in KDE SC 4.4

2010-02-11 Thread Harald Sitter
I told you what is necessary to get the old kaddresbook in, which is a maintainer that is willing to maintain the old version, that is the only option here. We can of course waste 500 hours of mine and your spare time in arguing over why this is necessary and important, but it will not change that

[Bug 507990] Re: Please include the old Kaddress book in KDE SC 4.4

2010-02-11 Thread Jonathan Thomas
Actually reading previous comments would answer all your questions. In regard to your last statement, we are pretty much at the mercy of the KDE PIM team in this regard. -- Please include the old Kaddress book in KDE SC 4.4 https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/507990 You received this bug notificatio

[Bug 507990] Re: Please include the old Kaddress book in KDE SC 4.4

2010-02-11 Thread Harald Sitter
** Changed in: kdepim (Ubuntu) Status: Confirmed => Won't Fix -- Please include the old Kaddress book in KDE SC 4.4 https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/507990 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing lis

[Bug 507990] Re: Please include the old Kaddress book in KDE SC 4.4

2010-02-11 Thread TK
"We cannot fix this problem" Here's the original request: "As this version is not feature-complete, please include the old (KDE <= 4.3.x) version in *Ubuntu 10.04 so that users can continue using the application" Please explain, why can not the old version (KDE <= 4.3.x) be included in Ubuntu 10

[Bug 507990] Re: Please include the old Kaddress book in KDE SC 4.4

2010-02-11 Thread Harald Sitter
Closing again saying the following: go find a maintainer willing to maintain the old kaddressbook for at the very least 4 years with security updates (again at the very least), this has nothing to do with missng concern, but everything with "I will have to go to work some time to pay my bills an

[Bug 507990] Re: Please include the old Kaddress book in KDE SC 4.4

2010-02-11 Thread Christian Mangold
Everything said here. We cannot fix this problem. Thank you for your understanding. -- Please include the old Kaddress book in KDE SC 4.4 https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/507990 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Kubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to kdepim in ubuntu. -

[Bug 507990] Re: Please include the old Kaddress book in KDE SC 4.4

2010-02-11 Thread TK
"The bug is wontfix and is going to stay that way." Your concern for the users of Kaddressbook is numbing. Are you even willing to help find a remedy to the issues that you have assisted in creating? ** Changed in: kdepim (Ubuntu) Status: Won't Fix => Confirmed -- Please include the old

[Bug 507990] Re: Please include the old Kaddress book in KDE SC 4.4

2010-02-02 Thread dotancohen
I have found these two PPAs which contain kdepim 4.3.x: https://launchpad.net/~azriphale/+archive/kde https://launchpad.net/~agateau/+archive/indicator However, as these versions are older than the versions in 10.04, how does one configure their usage? Pinning? -- Please include the old Kaddress

Re: [Bug 507990] Re: Please include the old Kaddress book in KDE SC 4.4

2010-02-02 Thread Scott Kitterman
Sticking with 4.3 sounds like your best option. The bug is wontfix and is going to stay that way. -- Please include the old Kaddress book in KDE SC 4.4 https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/507990 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Kubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to kdepi

[Bug 507990] Re: Please include the old Kaddress book in KDE SC 4.4

2010-02-02 Thread dotancohen
> Additionally, we're almost all volunteers in Kubuntu, so whining other > volunteers should be doing > something like this when you are unwilling to do it yourself is unlikely to > get you far. Whining? Go google my name and see that I file bug on behalf of users. Grep me in launchpad and see t

Re: [Bug 507990] Re: Please include the old Kaddress book in KDE SC 4.4

2010-02-02 Thread Scott Kitterman
>> Anybody's more than welcome to make a PPA for this, > >Really, you expect end users to make PPAs just to continue using the >same functions that they have always been using? Yes. If you want something that upstream is no longer willing to support and the distro won't ship, your option is to m

[Bug 507990] Re: Please include the old Kaddress book in KDE SC 4.4

2010-02-01 Thread dotancohen
> It's not like we can really support *unmaintained* software. The old Kaddressbook has been unmaintained for ages in the sense of no new features or bugfixes. As it does not interoperate with other applications (like a web browser would, displaying pages from a server), there is little bitrot, it

[Bug 507990] Re: Please include the old Kaddress book in KDE SC 4.4

2010-02-01 Thread Jonathan Thomas
It's not like we can really support *unmaintained* software. :/ All other distros will be in the same boat, so it won't really affect Kubuntu more than it will affect KDE as a whole. Anybody's more than welcome to make a PPA for this, we just cannot provide support for it since there is no guaran

[Bug 507990] Re: Please include the old Kaddress book in KDE SC 4.4

2010-02-01 Thread Oceanwatcher
I thought Kubuntu 10.04 was supposed to be an LTE? How can it be that with an obviously incomplete PIM? The whole point of labelling this LTE kinda falls flat if something is allowed into the release that even the developers clearly say is not functionally complete? I think things like this can se

Re: [Bug 507990] Re: Please include the old Kaddress book in KDE SC 4.4

2010-01-15 Thread Scott Kitterman
> Can the kdepim of KDE 4.3 be retained as a separate package? No. In this kind of case your best bet is to try and build it for yourself and perhaps maintain it in a PPA. There is no way to do this that is suitable and supportable for the regular archive. -- Please include the old Kaddress bo

[Bug 507990] Re: Please include the old Kaddress book in KDE SC 4.4

2010-01-15 Thread dotancohen
> Because of the way Kaddressbook is built out of the kdepim source there > isn't a reasonable way to do this. Can the kdepim of KDE 4.3 be retained as a separate package? As it is, there are several missing features in the new Kaddressbook which make it unsuitable for my usage. In fact, as the Ka

[Bug 507990] Re: Please include the old Kaddress book in KDE SC 4.4

2010-01-15 Thread Scott Kitterman
Because of the way Kaddressbook is built out of the kdepim source there isn't a reasonable way to do this. The only solution I can think of is to look at KDE SC 4.5 development and if these things are implemented, we could look into backporting the patches. ** Changed in: kdepim (Ubuntu) S

[Bug 507990] Re: Please include the old Kaddress book in KDE SC 4.4

2010-01-15 Thread dotancohen
** Summary changed: - Please do not include the new Kaddress book in KDE SC 4.4 + Please include the old Kaddress book in KDE SC 4.4 -- Please include the old Kaddress book in KDE SC 4.4 https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/507990 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Kubuntu