[Bug 629622] Re: MIR+FFE: Inclusion of Ubuntu Font Family ~0.7 in Maverick (10.10)

2010-09-14 Thread Paul Sladen
...Release team reckon that will be 750 kB of sufficient space for the Ubuntu Font Family package from flexing the 'example-content' package until things fit. -- MIR+FFE: Inclusion of Ubuntu Font Family ~0.7 in Maverick (10.10) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/629622 You received this bug notifica

[Bug 629622] Re: MIR+FFE: Inclusion of Ubuntu Font Family ~0.7 in Maverick (10.10)

2010-09-12 Thread Paul Sladen
** Changed in: ubuntu-font-family/phased-beta Milestone: None => 0.7.0 -- MIR+FFE: Inclusion of Ubuntu Font Family ~0.7 in Maverick (10.10) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/629622 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ub

[Bug 629622] Re: MIR+FFE: Inclusion of Ubuntu Font Family ~0.7 in Maverick (10.10)

2010-09-12 Thread Paul Sladen
** Changed in: ubuntu-font-family Milestone: 0.6.7 => 1.0.0 ** Changed in: ubuntu-font-family Milestone: 1.0.0 => 0.7.0 -- MIR+FFE: Inclusion of Ubuntu Font Family ~0.7 in Maverick (10.10) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/629622 You received this bug notification because you are a member

[Bug 629622] Re: MIR+FFE: Inclusion of Ubuntu Font Family ~0.7 in Maverick (10.10)

2010-09-08 Thread Paul Sladen
** Also affects: ubuntu-font-family/trunk Importance: Undecided Status: New -- MIR+FFE: Inclusion of Ubuntu Font Family ~0.7 in Maverick (10.10) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/629622 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubun

[Bug 629622] Re: MIR+FFE: Inclusion of Ubuntu Font Family ~0.7 in Maverick (10.10)

2010-09-08 Thread Paul Sladen
** Changed in: ubuntu-font-family Milestone: None => 0.7.0 -- MIR+FFE: Inclusion of Ubuntu Font Family ~0.7 in Maverick (10.10) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/629622 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs ma

[Bug 629622] Re: MIR+FFE: Inclusion of Ubuntu Font Family ~0.7 in Maverick (10.10)

2010-09-07 Thread Alan Bell
there are three ways I can think of to deploy it. * Set the interface font name in *gconf* /desktop/gnome/interface/font_name UbuntuBeta 10 * Make it a suggested font in the ambiance and radiance *themes* * In *fontconfig* make it one of the fonts that alias to sans (tweaking stuff in /etc/fon

Re: [Bug 629622] Re: MIR+FFE: Inclusion of Ubuntu Font Family ~0.7 in Maverick (10.10)

2010-09-07 Thread Mark Shuttleworth
Thanks Paul for lining us up to land if it comes together appropriately. On 07/09/10 14:20, Paul Sladen wrote: > I don't think we should run the risk of going with document > font defaults (eg. the hinting/layout issues that need researching more > for OpenOffice.org). > Agreed - this is interfa

[Bug 629622] Re: MIR+FFE: Inclusion of Ubuntu Font Family ~0.7 in Maverick (10.10)

2010-09-07 Thread Paul Sladen
** Tags added: uff-10.10-todo -- MIR+FFE: Inclusion of Ubuntu Font Family ~0.7 in Maverick (10.10) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/629622 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubun

[Bug 629622] Re: MIR+FFE: Inclusion of Ubuntu Font Family ~0.7 in Maverick (10.10)

2010-09-07 Thread Paul Sladen
We can concentrate on executing the rest of the to-do list above and ensuring that the font family .deb package is available and in the right places to be seeded into the CD images. This is virtually all tediously technical and procedural; eg. tweaking the advertised font name, version, license, d

[Bug 629622] Re: MIR+FFE: Inclusion of Ubuntu Font Family ~0.7 in Maverick (10.10)

2010-09-07 Thread Alan Bell
Mandarin chinese takes *ages* to install the font (I thought it had crashed) however it did eventually install and here it is, again no issue caused directly by the new font as default. As an aside note, I was a bit disappointed in the extent of the translations of the desktop, I thought it would b

[Bug 629622] Re: MIR+FFE: Inclusion of Ubuntu Font Family ~0.7 in Maverick (10.10)

2010-09-07 Thread Alan Bell
India has a *lot* of languages, I think I picked standard Hindi, again not much of it in evidence on the desktop, but what was there does not seem to be adversely affected by the addition of the new font ** Attachment added: "Screenshot-Hindi [Running] - VirtualBox OSE.png" https://bugs.launch

[Bug 629622] Re: MIR+FFE: Inclusion of Ubuntu Font Family ~0.7 in Maverick (10.10)

2010-09-07 Thread Alan Bell
Arabic screenshot, more English than I had expected, but adding the font and setting it as default didn't seem to do any harm at all. ** Attachment added: "Screenshot-Arabic [Running] - VirtualBox OSE.png" https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-font-family/+bug/629622/+attachment/1553026/+files/Scr

Re: [Bug 629622] Re: MIR+FFE: Inclusion of Ubuntu Font Family ~0.7 in Maverick (10.10)

2010-09-07 Thread Mark Shuttleworth
On 06/09/10 22:44, Alan Bell wrote: > It is still one heck of a user interface freeze exception, but I would > love to see it get in and as the default. Yes, I agree it's a big change. But we took steps to mitigate it: screenshotters have easy access to the font. We have had to keep the font out

[Bug 629622] Re: MIR+FFE: Inclusion of Ubuntu Font Family ~0.7 in Maverick (10.10)

2010-09-06 Thread Alan Bell
yeah, just using it as a known example of very distinctive font with a limited set of glyphs so it is easy to see the behaviour of the desktop when it encounters a missing character. I am a member and I have the real font, but I am not sure I would be competent to spot missing characters when runni

[Bug 629622] Re: MIR+FFE: Inclusion of Ubuntu Font Family ~0.7 in Maverick (10.10)

2010-09-06 Thread Benjamin Humphrey
Mark, I think Alan was using that font because it has a limited character-set as an example of what Ubuntu does when it can't find a glyph. -- MIR+FFE: Inclusion of Ubuntu Font Family ~0.7 in Maverick (10.10) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/629622 You received this bug notification because you ar

Re: [Bug 629622] Re: MIR+FFE: Inclusion of Ubuntu Font Family ~0.7 in Maverick (10.10)

2010-09-06 Thread Mark Shuttleworth
Completely wrong font, Alan :-) The correct one is available to Ubuntu members and other groups from ppa:ubuntu-font-betatesting/ppa Mark -- MIR+FFE: Inclusion of Ubuntu Font Family ~0.7 in Maverick (10.10) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/629622 You received this bug notification because you ar

[Bug 629622] Re: MIR+FFE: Inclusion of Ubuntu Font Family ~0.7 in Maverick (10.10)

2010-09-06 Thread Alan Bell
I tried setting my desktop font to the old ubuntu-title font which is a very incomplete font. The attached image of the desktop and gedit shows what the font server does when it comes across a missing glyph (it does the right thing and uses the sans one) on the left is the language selection dialog

Re: [Bug 629622] Re: MIR+FFE: Inclusion of Ubuntu Font Family ~0.7 in Maverick (10.10)

2010-09-06 Thread Mark Shuttleworth
Can we get preliminary feedback that the font substitution should work in the general case? And if so, reinstate this bug as a goal for Maverick? Mark -- MIR+FFE: Inclusion of Ubuntu Font Family ~0.7 in Maverick (10.10) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/629622 You received this bug notification b

[Bug 629622] Re: MIR+FFE: Inclusion of Ubuntu Font Family ~0.7 in Maverick (10.10)

2010-09-06 Thread Alan Bell
Having switched my desktop defaults to the Ubuntu font I actually can't make the missing glyphs break anything. If I download the notinubuntubeta.txt file and look at it in gedit or anything else and set the font to ubuntu beta all the glyphs seem to display (presumably from sans) in fact the only

Re: [Bug 629622] Re: MIR+FFE: Inclusion of Ubuntu Font Family ~0.7 in Maverick (10.10)

2010-09-06 Thread Mark Shuttleworth
Bruno, Is there a font substitution map so that missing Ubuntu characters would be pulled in from the existing fonts? i.e. can we make Ubuntu the default and have no change for Arabic and other users? Mark -- MIR+FFE: Inclusion of Ubuntu Font Family ~0.7 in Maverick (10.10) https://bugs.launc

[Bug 629622] Re: MIR+FFE: Inclusion of Ubuntu Font Family ~0.7 in Maverick (10.10)

2010-09-04 Thread Bruno Girin
A cursory parse of Alan's missing glyphs file shows that the whole alphabets are missing (Arabic, Armenian, Georgian to name the ones I could spot). The first one in particular would mean that if the Ubuntu font was made the default font, anybody who speaks Arabic, Farsi or Urdu would be out of luc

Re: [Bug 629622] Re: MIR+FFE: Inclusion of Ubuntu Font Family ~0.7 in Maverick (10.10)

2010-09-04 Thread Mark Shuttleworth
Hmm. I wonder if we should defer the actual use of the font till 11.04? That list of Paul's was comprehensive (thanks!) and longer than I'd expected. It may be more realistic to use it as default font in 11.04. Mark -- MIR+FFE: Inclusion of Ubuntu Font Family ~0.7 in Maverick (10.10) https://bu

[Bug 629622] Re: MIR+FFE: Inclusion of Ubuntu Font Family ~0.7 in Maverick (10.10)

2010-09-04 Thread Alan Bell
based on the output of the font diff, and picking out all lines of the form Glyph "uni" missing from UbuntuBeta here is a list of all the missing characters, code points and unicode names. There are more missing characters, but I don't understand how to parse them and find out what they are.

[Bug 629622] Re: MIR+FFE: Inclusion of Ubuntu Font Family ~0.7 in Maverick (10.10)

2010-09-04 Thread Alan Bell
To make the new font the desktop default either the theme could be adapted to load the font, or "sans" which is an alias for a list of preferred fonts could be updated to include ubuntu in the preferences list, I think that is in the fontconfig package and would be a change to /etc/fonts/conf.av

[Bug 629622] Re: MIR+FFE: Inclusion of Ubuntu Font Family ~0.7 in Maverick (10.10)

2010-09-04 Thread Paul Sladen
The version(s) of the typeface available in the next ~1 month window are likely to remain below the ~750kB mark, they will only consist of the four fonts that are presently availabe: Regular, Italic, Bold and Bold Italic in Standard only See the following: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Ubuntu%20Font%

[Bug 629622] Re: MIR+FFE: Inclusion of Ubuntu Font Family ~0.7 in Maverick (10.10)

2010-09-04 Thread Alan Bell
also the translations teams are going to need to test the desktop with the new font, if there are any glyphs missing in languages we translate to that would be an issue. I know a lot of testing has been done, but I am not sure that full coverage of sans has been tested, I will have a go at a visual

[Bug 629622] Re: MIR+FFE: Inclusion of Ubuntu Font Family ~0.7 in Maverick (10.10)

2010-09-04 Thread Alan Bell
What we don't have yet is the ubuntubeta mono font, for terminal applications and indeed monospaced comments like this on launchpad.net. This would push up the size of the package for inclusion from 719K to something a bit bigger. I also don't think that many people have been using it as the defaul

Re: [Bug 629622] Re: MIR+FFE: Inclusion of Ubuntu Font Family ~0.7 in Maverick (10.10)

2010-09-04 Thread Mark Shuttleworth
We definitely do want it in, and used by default. It's in wide beta now, accessible to all Ubuntu members, so there's no reason to think it will throw up more issues than are already being reported on it. Mark -- MIR+FFE: Inclusion of Ubuntu Font Family ~0.7 in Maverick (10.10) https://bugs.lau

[Bug 629622] Re: MIR+FFE: Inclusion of Ubuntu Font Family ~0.7 in Maverick (10.10)

2010-09-03 Thread Scott Kitterman
And usubscribing the release team until there is something to review. -- MIR+FFE: Inclusion of Ubuntu Font Family ~0.7 in Maverick (10.10) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/629622 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-

[Bug 629622] Re: MIR+FFE: Inclusion of Ubuntu Font Family ~0.7 in Maverick (10.10)

2010-09-03 Thread Jonathan Riddell
Marking as invalid until someone involved in the font development actually wants it in. ** Changed in: ubuntu Status: Incomplete => Invalid -- MIR+FFE: Inclusion of Ubuntu Font Family ~0.7 in Maverick (10.10) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/629622 You received this bug notification becau

[Bug 629622] Re: MIR+FFE: Inclusion of Ubuntu Font Family ~0.7 in Maverick (10.10)

2010-09-03 Thread Paul Sladen
** Changed in: ubuntu-font-family Status: New => Incomplete ** Changed in: ubuntu-font-family Importance: Undecided => Wishlist ** Changed in: ubuntu Milestone: None => ubuntu-10.10 -- MIR+FFE: Inclusion of Ubuntu Font Family ~0.7 in Maverick (10.10) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bug

[Bug 629622] Re: MIR+FFE: Inclusion of Ubuntu Font Family ~0.7 in Maverick (10.10)

2010-09-03 Thread Steve Langasek
UI Freeze only applies if this is changing the default UI. I haven't heard that this font will be used by default - obviously that's a much riskier change to land at this point than just including it by default would be. -- MIR+FFE: Inclusion of Ubuntu Font Family ~0.7 in Maverick (10.10) https:

[Bug 629622] Re: MIR+FFE: Inclusion of Ubuntu Font Family ~0.7 in Maverick (10.10)

2010-09-03 Thread Alan Bell
the size of ubuntu-private-fonts_0.1.10~ppa1_all.deb is 719K -- MIR+FFE: Inclusion of Ubuntu Font Family ~0.7 in Maverick (10.10) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/629622 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mail

[Bug 629622] Re: MIR+FFE: Inclusion of Ubuntu Font Family ~0.7 in Maverick (10.10)

2010-09-03 Thread Alan Bell
Jonathan, nothing to do with me directly, I was asking in #ubuntu+1 about the font and as nobody knew about plans for including it they advised me to raise an FFE. -- MIR+FFE: Inclusion of Ubuntu Font Family ~0.7 in Maverick (10.10) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/629622 You received this bug not

[Bug 629622] Re: MIR+FFE: Inclusion of Ubuntu Font Family ~0.7 in Maverick (10.10)

2010-09-03 Thread Jonathan Riddell
Alan, do you actually have anything to do with the release and inclusion of the font or are you just submitting this bug as a hint to the people who do? -- MIR+FFE: Inclusion of Ubuntu Font Family ~0.7 in Maverick (10.10) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/629622 You received this bug notification b

[Bug 629622] Re: MIR+FFE: Inclusion of Ubuntu Font Family ~0.7 in Maverick (10.10)

2010-09-03 Thread Jonathan Riddell
This is a user interface change, needs approval from documentation teams https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UserInterfaceFreeze What is the regression potential? Will word processing applications use it as their default font? That might confuse some documents which would expect Liberation or Deja fonts.