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I just recently installed Ubuntu 8.4 (8.04?) with Gnome and noticed the
problem. After seeing someone’s suggestion with KDE, I tried this:
I went to the System menu, selected Preferences - Appearance, clicked the
Visual Effects tab and selected “None”. It got rid of the sluggishness for me.
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problems with realy bad graphis performance using a 915 intel card but
then i followed the advise in this post:
http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=3416144postcount=15
I just uninstalled the xserver-xgl package and then
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The x11perf results are a known issue, but not obviously significant.
(How many apps do you have that use the X NoOperation request?) Despite
our belief that the slow requests have almost no impact on real
applications, we are working on improvements in this area.
However, I believe the bug you
David,
This bug is only on Feisty, and has nothing to do with scrolling. It's
slowness when minimizing/maximizing windows, and switching between
windows.
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I just updated to the new libx11-6 package and rebooted, but my
performance is still horrible when I am using EXA (i use the radeon
driver with an ATI Radeon 9600 XT). Could this be a driver bug?
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You received this
EXA
Lots of ppl get sluginesh with EXA.
Heres a bug report sbout it. Suggest U ask there:
https://bugs.launchpad.net/xorg-server/+bug/88696
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Tnx TIM for your link. Works much better now. I was begining to wonder
what I had done to make GNOME so sluggish
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seems to be fixed with the latest upgrades! Thank you
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indeed, fixed it by this upload
libx11 (2:1.1.1-1ubuntu2) feisty; urgency=low
.
* Don't build with libxcb, since it causes performance regressions on
some X clients. (LP: #88815)
I'll keep the xcb component open, though.
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Good work Timo, the sluggishness is now gone on all my systems. What are
the implications of building without xcb, are we losing functionality
somewhere? Nevertheless, this issue is reported upstream so there's a
good chance it will be fixed in the xcb component too.
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I just witnessed an odd behaviour. When I unplug the power-cable from my
i915-based laptop and the CPU-throttling kicks in (going from 2 GHz to
about 800 MHz). Once that happened all the sluggish drawing performace
of OpenGL- and cairo-based programs gets smooth as silk again. I'm
running a
I noticed that high CPU usage improves the drawing performance of OpenGL
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I am running Edgy Eft as far as I know but I'm having the same
scrolling issues.
-David-
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Hello, I´m new to linux and when I try to use the libx11-6 package I get
this error:
Error: Dependency is not satisfiable: libc6
And when I tried: sudo dpkg -i oldxll-6/libxll*
in the terminal I got this error:
dpkg: error processing oldxll-6/libxll* (--install):
cannot access archive: No such
Hello, I´m new to linux and when I try to use the libx11-6 package I get
this error:
Error: Dependency is not satisfiable: libc6
And when I tried: sudo dpkg -i oldxll-6/libxll*
in the terminal I got this error:
dpkg: error processing oldxll-6/libxll* (--install):
cannot access archive: No such
Are you running Edgy? This bug only appears on Feisty, and the package
only installs on Feisty.
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I mainly notice the sluggishness in OpenGL-apps (compiz etc).
Downgrading libx11 from 1.1.1 to 1.0.3 - like suggested above - did not
improve the situation for me. The machine is question is a laptop with
i915-based graphics.
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Mirco,
Your issue is not related to this bug, please see here:
https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/88918
I suggest you experiment with the INTEL_BATCH variable, e.g.
INTEL_BATCH=1 glxgears, and compare it with normal glxgears
performance. Please don't reply in this bug,
Ok, I managed to build libx11 without xcb:
http://users.tkk.fi/~tjaalton/dpkg/
at least on my laptop (savage) the performance is much improved.
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Assignee: (unassigned) = Timo Aaltonen
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Timo,
By coincidence Michel Danzer and I were experimenting with packages he
built sans xcb, see the upstream bug:
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10173
What we discovered is that it's definitely caused by xcb, and it's a
client-side issue - respawning metacity after changing the
Timo,
I tried your libx11-packages-without-xcb (thanks to Mithrandir for
pointing me to them) and I too can see a clear improvement.
(this is on a [EMAIL PROTECTED] and a Riva TNT2 Pro using nvidia-glx-legacy
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Same here; feels much! better after downgrade (VIA onboard grafics, VIA
driver, very 2D).
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Same here; feels much! better after downgrade (VIA onboard grafics, VIA
driver, very 2D).
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Had issue - Fixed with downgrade.
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Confirming that downgrading to libX11-6 and libX11-data to version
1.0.3-4ubuntu1 solve this issue.
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Another note regarding the sluggishness: the slowdown is not just visual
(i.e. metacity's animations).
Steps to reproduce:
1. Open a firefox window, maximized.
2. Click on the minimize button of firefox's window, and immediately move the
mouse in a circular or zig-zag motion.
It appears that
Timo,
This bug is still present on my systems, have you gotten any closer to
isolating the problem? Have you tried building libx11-6 without xcb
support? I tried, but couldn't build the debs due to the script
expecting the xcb files to be present.
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Conn:
Actually both work, you can see a status message when configure
completes that tells if xcb is disabled. It builds but debconf wants to
package the xcb files intead of xlib and fails as they're missing. It
might work to use some files from libx11-1.0.3/debian/ and just change
the version
Bruce: I use Søren Hansen's tricks: http://www.warma.dk/blog/article/68/
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A workaround might be to compile libX11 with --without-xcb. At least
then we'll be sure if it's really xcb that's the problem and not any
other change in libX11 1.1.
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nxsty,
I've tried to modify the deb source and rebuild without xcb, but it
failed building and I couldn't test. Feel free to try yourself, but one
thing to note: you need to use --with-xcb=no, the line you typed above
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nevermind, http://bugs.beryl-project.org/ticket/1 is the bug, seems be
related to exa acceleration
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Slow performance when EXA is enabled is not what this bug is about, see
bug #88696 instead.
Though I'd like to know if downgrading libx11 helps to improve
performance with EXA..
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yes, I realize that, i was just commenting on my comment, sorry for the
confusion. And to answer your question timo, yes, it does.
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Using Fiesty with an ati RV350 NP, 'ati' driver, and XAA.
Switching to EXA did not make any difference
sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg did not make any difference
Downgrading libx11* worked
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Downgrade helped metacity quite a bit, back to normal speeds, although
compiz and beryl both seem a bit sluggish still, anyone else notice this
(mainly when scrolling web pages, uses 100% cpu and is very slow)?
Still using the same xorg.conf as i posted before. Thanks again guys.
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nxsty,
I would say xcb definitely is to blame. I booted up Herd 4, ran sudo
apt-get update, sudo apt-get install libx11-6, and libxcb-xlib0 and
libxcb1 were installed as new packages. Upon restarting gdm, I could see
the sluggishness present.
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Sourcepackagename:
Until the bug is fixed, any tips on how to properly go back to the old
version? Good work pinpointing where the problem was.
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Hi Thomas,
What you can try is to downgrade libx11-6 and libx11-data to version
1.0.3 from the Herd 4 alternative cd (I'm not sure where to get obsolete
packages from Feisty). I've grabbed them from my cd and uploaded here in
case you want to try:
I am having the same problem.
I'll try the downgrade tonight and post the result.
Thanks for the good work on that guys.
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I had this problem, but downgrading as suggested really got things
going.
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Just did the downgrading and things work much better. So, apparently those
packages really are the problem.
Next step is to figure out what's happening !
Thanks again for looking into that.
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Finding old packages in Launchpad is really annoying:
http://librarian.launchpad.net/5509177/libx11-6_1.0.3-4ubuntu1_i386.deb
http://librarian.launchpad.net/5509176/libx11-data_1.0.3-4ubuntu1_all.deb
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Hi,
After some troubleshooting I have identified the precise source of this
sluggishness. When I downgraded xserver-xorg-core sluggishness
persisted, so I experimented with downgrading other packages
selectively, and found the problem to be with libx11-6 (1.1.1-1ubuntu1).
After downgrading to
FYI I installed fedora 7 test2 in parallel with feisty. It has the same
versions of metacity and xserver but it doesn't show this problem. But
libX11 is still at version 1.0.3 in fedora while feisty has 1.1.1.
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A couple of things/differences I noted whilst reading through your logs:
- The Xorg.0.log from Herd5 mentions it can't initialize the GLX extensions,
since it is using the Nvidia libglx.so
Might this be the cause?
- In the Xorg.0.log from Herd5 AIGLX is disabled (since it can't load the GLX
disturbedsaint,
Thanks, let me address your points:
1. That's right, nvidia-glx is installed on my system and so the nv driver
can't initialize GLX.
2. Ditto, see above.
3. This may be a symptom of the above too, so I don't know.
In light of this, I'm running the benchmarks again, this time
With the latest updates, things are snappy again. Quite snappy indeed.
But the only problem is that I'm suddenly loosing input focus on gnome-
terminal and xterm windows.
Just as suddenly it comes back, at a random time...
I don't think this has anything to do with metacity.
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Well, it just looks like I can execute commands, but the characters
don't appear, and the window looks, but isn't, frozen.
Maximized apps also get random weird factors.
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It's actually worse than that. Windows randomly stop being updated,
focus is lost (also on run command dialog), etc...
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Cyclops,
It's still feasible that xorg is to blame, but it sounds like metacity
could be stealing focus from your apps, or it could be an EXA rendering
bug. Try changing back to XAA to see if it helps, and try kwin (or
another WM besides metacity) to see if this behaviour continues with a
Hmm,
I downgraded metacity, metacity and metacity-common to 2.16.3-0ubuntu2
from Edgy, but it's still slow. Perhaps there's certain rendering paths
that are slow in xorg that metacity happens to use; all I know is that
performance is excellent with kwin. Maybe I'll try some x11perf tests on
my
Hi,
I ran a complete set of x11perf on first system (Celeron 2.8Ghz w/NVIDIA
GeForce FX 5200 using nv driver), using the herd 4 livecd, and the
version installed on my drive (herd 5 with updates, including the new
xorg 7.2 drivers). I used the same xorg.conf, disabled screensavers and
monitor
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Thank you for your work on that. Could you open a bug upstream?
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Hi Sebastien,
I've opened a bug there, but I focused more on performance profiling.
I'll expand on it and explain the problem in detail (I had just linked
to launchpad).
Here it is: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10173
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In my case, EXA or XAA had more or less exactly the same dragging performance
on 3D. My card:
00:01.0 PCI bridge: ATI Technologies Inc PCI Bridge [IGP 340M] (prog-if 00
[Normal decode])
Control: I/O+ Mem+ BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- ParErr-
Stepping- SERR- FastB2B-
Happens here too. I'm using nvidia drivers.
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Can confirm it happens with the ati (radeon) driver too, independant of using
XAA or EXA.
VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV280 [Radeon 9200 SE] (rev 01)
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Same problem fro intel i915 chip using i810 driver.
Beryl with aiglx was perfect before xorg 7.2 update. Now it's damn slow, even
sluggish when you scroll a window.
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I still can't reproduce all the symptoms myself but confiming since
others can. For instance on my work desktop (Core2duo, Nvidia 7950,
binary driver) everything just works (installed it 30min ago), but on my
home desktop (XP3000+, Radeon8500, free driver) I can see the window
minimize -action
..and it seems that the intel folks have been hit the most. You'll get a
new driver soon (1.6.5-1.7.4), so maybe that helps.
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I have this problem with both the nvidia and nv driver so I don't think
this is driver related, but rather a problem with the xserver. The nv
driver uses XAA while nvidia has its own NAA so I don't think the
acceleration architecture is at fault either.
Not only is minimizing a window, or fading
Timo,
Since the new updates (xserver-xorg-video-nv 1.2.2.1-0ubuntu1, xserver-
xorg-video-i810 1.7.4-0ubuntu1), both of my systems still exhibit slow
2D rendering (using the nvidia, nv and i810 drivers). I tried re-
building xserver-xorg using the only most innocuous patches (see
attached series
Timo,
Upon further investigation I think I may have found the real culprit -
metacity.
As I had kdebase installed on my system, I decided to try kwin
--replace within GNOME, and performance is back to normal! Maybe the
problem is specific to metacity and not xorg at all (a reasonable
hypothesis,
Thomas,
No, I don't think it's the problem. On my second system, I compiled xf86
-video-intel from git using xorg 7.2 sources; here's my log:
(II) Module i810: vendor=X.Org Foundation
compiled for 7.2.0, module version = 1.7.4
Module class: X.Org Video Driver
ABI class:
This problem has been plaguing me ever since 7.2 hit the repos. I'm
running feisty on a ThinkPad T43p with ATI FireGL V3200 using the open-
source ati driver and aiglx. Beryl and Compiz are unusable.
Conn's description of the problem using Firefox and gnome-terminal apply
to my machine also.
confirmed that exa slowed it down for me too, sad since XAA has stopped
being developed and only EXA from now on (it is superior, not sure what
is clutzing it up)
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[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/bugreport$ cat mtrr-old.log
reg00: base=0x ( 0MB), size=1024MB: write-back, count=1
reg01: base=0x3f80 (1016MB), size= 8MB: uncachable, count=1
reg02: base=0xe000 (3584MB), size= 256MB: write-combining, count=1
The mtrr hasn't changed since the upgrade, in
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same here with an ati radeon 9000 mobility
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Just wondering, if for my case, could it be because the ati drivers are
still compiled for xorg 7.1.1 when I am running xorg 7.2? I tried
running the debian ati drivers (did not fix the problem) since it showed
a newer version, but it is also compiled for 7.1.1 and not 7.2.
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