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USC relies on NM to be online, can't force online if not using NM
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confirm bug for ubuntu 12.10.
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You don't say
2013/1/22 Igor Zubarev igor.zuba...@gmail.com
confirm bug for ubuntu 12.10.
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Title:
USC relies on NM to be online, can't force
Funny thing that there are multiple programs that can be used to connect
the type of internet dial-up I'm using for Windows. There are also
problems for Windows users to get auto-reconnect working the tutorials
for configuring it look more complicated than WvDial configuration
(atleast from my
On the contrary, it is those other applications you list that behave
stupidly when there is no Internet connection. For example, Firefox says
Firefox can't find the server at www.example.com, giving several
possible explanations, when Ubuntu knows that only one of them is
correct. Thunderbird
If Network Manager were a rock-solid piece of software which always
worked and was always installed and running, it might be reasonable to
require it for default apps to function. But in the 7 years I've been
trying to use it, NM hasn't worked correctly on *any* of the computers
I've used it on.
Also, we seem to have a test description for reproducing the issue,
though it might be easier to test with wicd than with wvdial, so I'm
changing this from incomplete to confirmed.
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End users shouldn't be requiered to do all of that just to get working
two default Ubuntu programs. That's true, but they aren't: end users
aren't installing then disabling Network Manager to begin with. If
you're going to alter your system in that way, it's your responsibility
to do it properly,
The problem is that no other programs require to disable Network Manager
service to function properly.
I've mentioned it before all of the browsers (besides default Firefox)
work when connected through WvDial and NM service running. Thunderbird
works and downloads mails without interference in
USC runs that ping test only when Network Manager service is disabled.
I can disable upstart job for NM (it's upstart so rcconf won't help
here) and then it doesn't interfere with USC and Ubuntu One online
status (the connection is managed by WvDial).
End users shouldn't be requiered to do all
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https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/software-center/+bug/911706/+attachment/3477330/+files/USC_network_manager.log
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https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/software-center/+bug/911706/+attachment/3477331/+files/USC_only_wvdial.log
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Seems like that dimming install button functionality is not needed, why
even implement such thing?
Perhaps dev should simply remove or disable it? Less code means less bugs,
doesn't it?
2013/1/9 Mateusz Stachowski 911...@bugs.launchpad.net
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I must agree that this is a bug if USC acts like it's offline when there
is a valid network connection of any type.
I've noticed lately that USC runs a quick ping test when I start it, and
it uses that result to set its online status... but if erroneous status
from Network Manager can override
USC and UbuntuOne are the only programs that rely solely on Network
Manager and that's wrong. I don't have to do anything for other programs
to use them online.
WvDial connection works for:
Chrome / Chromium
Opera and Opera Next
Konqueror and rekonq
Transmission and qBittorrent
gPodder (Podcast
Why this bug has status Fix Released when it's clearly not resolved.
Obviously Ubuntu developers think that users should search for half-assed
workarounds
on forums and bugtrackers.
I'm using wvdial for my connection because it's a better option. My internet
disconnects
once an hour passed
Obviously Ubuntu developers think that users should search for half-
assed workarounds on forums and bugtrackers.
PLEASE don't mix your assumptions and frustrations here.
I'm reopening this bug report because USC should at least allow me to
install a .deb when it's in offline mode.
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Mateusz, if you don't use network manager, please stop it and stop it
starting automatically at boot. You can do that with the rcconf
console application. Also, you should be able to use network/modem
manager. Are your issues covered by bug #848164? If not, please open a
new bug report.
Adolfo,
Marius: you're right, thanks for finding that report! Then there are
some duped bugs here that describe that other problem.
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I don't think it's fixed. When I use my computer in guest mode,
sometimes NM fails to start from terminal and i get no internet
indicator in the panel (but the Internet works). When this happens,
installations and reviews are disabled in USC.
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Ah, just saw the related mere proposal and workarounded the problem by
entering in a terminal: SOFTWARE_CENTER_NET_CONNECTED=true software-
center
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It is not supposed to work if network manager is running and it thinks
its not connected. If you are not using network manager, please stop it:
sudo stop network-manager
and it should work.
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Can anyone confirm if this bug fixed in 12.10 beta?
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Title:
USC relies on NM to be online, can't force online if not using NM
To manage
I just installed a package using Software center in Quantal version with
an internet connection outside NM (using ModemManager from master
branch).
To have this working, make sure Network Manager is not running (run
sudo stop network-manager first). In this way, e.g. Firefox and
Pidgin) also are
Seems like USC checks the internet connection if NM is not available:
012-09-14 11:11:54,434 - root - INFO - Attempting one time ping of
no.archive.ubuntu.com to test if internet connectivity exists.
2012-09-14 11:11:54,590 - softwarecenter.fixme - WARNING - logs to the root
logger:
When it has this check, maybe it could have been run if NM is not
running as well?
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Milestone: ubuntu-12.10 = None
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USC relies on NM to be online, can't force online if not using
Thanks Gary, As given instruction and comment in bug 1014277, you are
correct. It was a duplicate.
I am giving another screenshot now. Note that, I have a local repository
from which i can install downloaded packages with apt-get. Only not with
USC. And i also not doing install by double
I set this one to high based on the number of people this is affecting
(and annoying).
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Importance: Medium = High
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Hi Mohammad, indeed, what you have observed is the bug itself. When NM
is not online, the Install buttons in Software Center are disabled,
even for the case when installing from a local deb file (or archive, as
in your case). As you said, apt-get will work fine for installing from
your local
I have set this bug to triaged as I believe that we have enough
information to begin work on the fix.
Many thanks!
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Status: Confirmed = Triaged
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Milestone: None = ubuntu-12.10
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Assignee: Michael Vogt (mvo) = (unassigned)
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I ran into this today. NM hasn't been working so I switched to wicd and
was surprised when it broke USC.
To resolve it, my first choice would be to simply attempt to use the
network as usual and handle the exceptions if it fails.
However, if the UI needs to be configured differently depending
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USC relies on NM to be online, can't force online if not
Very, very nicely said, mpt! Thank you very much for your comment. You
put everything into perspective so perfectly.
mvo, should we consider making Software Center depend on network-
manager? That would be the easiest fix, but possibly not the most
desirable one for some folks. Shall we try a
Please see bug 856504 (now set as a dupe of this one) for an example of
a person who chooses not to use network-manager.
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You know lots about computers ... can you fix our computer? It was the
sentence that many geeks dread. In this case, it was from neighbors of
my parents, Christmas 2010. Their Internet hadn't worked for weeks, and
they didn't know why.
They had called their ISP, and the ISP had gone through a
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Thanks for your bugreport.
I asked mpt for design review of this, in the meantime I pushed:
lp:~mvo/software-center/trivial-nm-state-override
that allows the SOFTWARE_CENTER_NET_CONNECTED environment to force a
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assigned to software-center hackers to see if they want to take a look
at enabling this scenario
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Assignee: (unassigned) = software-center-developers
(software-center-developers)
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Importance: Undecided = Low
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