On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 14:07, Tom 1...@bugs.launchpad.net wrote:
This bug report is not about how difficult or easy OSes are to install. It is
about how difficult it is to buy a machine with a decent OS pre-installed.
Yes, thanks for reminding. But wouldn't it be more likely that more
systems
Martin,
True. Again i agree with that and i think we are in agreement again. So the
various points people have made are valid except where we talk about noobs
installing.
Surely a shop that installs to perhaps tens of machines has time to play
around
with even just 1 and has probably
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Bug #1 description is outdated! Microsoft windows is a fading os due to
its failure to innovate. We should focus more on why do i use this _
os, what apps do use in the ___that i cannot find in Ubuntu os. I
saying this because for the past few years,Apple has successfully gained
market
or we could just keep going as we are to achieve critical mass
http://blogs.eweek.com/applewatch/content/macbook/microsoft_ceo_scoffs_at_mac_share_gains.html
http://broadcast.oreilly.com/2010/09/debunking-the-1-myth.html
4% or perhaps higher seems about right to me. i keep bumping into people
Ubuntu awareness (and use) is very very low by our measurements so far.
We're conducting random public surveys in Vancouver BC to get an actual
percentage. Our goal is 1000 people asked What is Ubuntu?
We're not publishing until we have a stastistically valid sample. Stay
tuned for results ;)
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On 10/20/2010 12:58 PM, Setve Gentilly wrote:
Hi,
I have 4 computers that I cannot even install Ubuntu on because Ubuntu does
not have the necessary drivers.
There are another 2 that I can install Ubuntu on but because the video
drivers are not very good they do not function at full capacity
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Did you bother to check which systems are certified first?
http://webapps.ubuntu.com/certification/
Think of your experiences in the Windows world. You likely have used
hardware that is stickered Windows Ready, Works with Windows etc.
The Ubuntu world is no different, and Ubuntu does NOT work on
So 30mins to install Ubuntu against 1hr30 to install Windows.
Did the Windows system then need upgrades or additional software? After the
first round of updates and reboot were all the drivers, codecs and new
programs
all up-to-date and fully patched?
Installing a system you know well
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On 10/20/2010 02:21 PM, Setve Gentilly wrote:
When I get a new system (which I get regularly) after it is assembled it
take me 1 to 1.5 hours to install Windows, the drivers and the necessary
software to get it to function at 100% efficiency. I don't have the time to
fart around and mess
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On 10-10-20 12:05 PM, Setve Gentilly wrote:
Hi, one more time.
Another example; I have a AMD system with an Ultra SCSI card from Tekram,
No flavor of Ubuntu will install on
Quite true.
If you've ever watched a new user work with Ubuntu, you'll likely have
noticed that they have a much easier time than experienced computer
users. No bad habits to unlearn, and they tend to involve themselves
less with tinkering on unsupported (and uncertified) hardware.
You want
If you choose quite a variety of hardware then Windows wont work. Entire
ranges
of cpu chips are supported by linux but not by Windows. Entire types of
products perform really badly with Windows (such as netbooks) but work really
fast with linux. All the space-station systems went down due
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Mzc, quite! My point exactly. The little bit that takes 1hr30 in Windows only
takes 30 in Ubuntu with the difference that Ubuntu then has a stack of Office
apps and stuff to use. Windows would be a little empty.
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Hi guys.
I don't mean to be rude; I just want the message to be perfectly clear
because we've been through this shit for like million times already and
I'm simply getting sick and tired of hearing the same stupid whining
over and over again. Bad hardware support is always caused by stupid
hardware
On 10/20/2010 04:41 PM, »John« wrote:
... not to mention they probably won't even bother if the
particular operating system isn't used by what they believe to be enough
of their potential customers. I guess you can see why we have a problem
with that and every single operating system is gonna
With bad drivers, you will get bit, whatever OS you run.
This is not a Linux bug, but for some reason, Linux gets the blame, and
Windows and the hardware manufactures get a pass.
My point exactly.
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This is not a Linux bug, but for some reason, Linux gets the blame,
and Windows and the hardware manufactures get a pass.
One more thing:
I'm incredibly sorry to say so, but I forgot to mention that that
reason is probably more and more people being stupid and getting more
and more stupid as the
). (Bug #1 has
in effect created a whole generation of consumers who view computers as
a way to get to entertainment).
We should instead be aiming to teach people to be creators and
contributors, so their information access tools remain robust and enable
any one to get to any and all information
If we (society) are training our students purely to be users
(consumers) of software then we will see the exact effect that you
describe (in the domain of OS'es and computing, at least). (Bug #1 has
in effect created a whole generation of consumers who view computers as
a way to get
Beautifully said Randall. You touched the essence of why the consumer
zombies just doesn't understand the world of free software. They
generally just want to consume and produce nothing.
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I am also affected by this bug (Vostro V13 touchpad not recognized).
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This is also very widespread in Spain.
Some months ago I bought a computer and it was absolutely impossible to find
one without this bug.
I had to fix it manually.
Patch:
# sudo apt-get remove windows
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After all the critics on Ubuntu or it's community - I want to clearly
state, that
1. I appreciate the community A LOT! It gives me a good feeling of not
being left alone with the computer problems. And I know what I am
talking about because I experienced also the prior-internet times
where I was
The time I invested into Linux. I think this is a crucial difference. With
linux any time spent in dealing with problems is an investment that can be
built
on and stays relevant to future releasea/versions and even side-ways onto
different distros. With Windows it often seems to lead to a
Hi :)
I was looking for this for a previous post about the meaning of the word hack
http://catb.org/jargon/html/meaning-of-hack.html
Found the right page at last and thought some people here might enjoy some of
the rest of the stories and stuff in there
Good luck and regards from Tom :)
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We never tolerate such stupid comments and/or bug changes/closures. Bug
1 will be open until we overcome Windows' marketshare or the world ends.
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On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 17:46, Faldegast 1...@bugs.launchpad.net wrote:
Yes. We should strive to have as much hardware as possible. But still
without valuable time and money to support vendors that ignore us.
Full ACK, the vendors that continously ignore the Linux/Ubuntu
community should be
I really enjoyed the last several posts where i had no idea what was being
talked about but it's good to have people with that level of relevant detailed
knowledge contributing to a thread.
When we see the term hacker a lot of people still think of the way the
mainstream press and news reports
On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 10:37, Tom 1...@bugs.launchpad.net wrote:
One thing about linux is that elegant code is often
easily carried through into subsequent releases and kludges gradually get
replaced with more elegant code.
If you want to hear interesting things about the advantage of open
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 07:33:02 +
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Subject: Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 17:46, Faldegast 1...@bugs.launchpad.net wrote:
Yes. We should strive to have as much hardware as possible
I think the main advantage is more eyeballs on the code and devs earning
respect
when they write good code. Pride in one's work and admiration in other
people's
code lead to some OpenSource devs earning almost Rock-God status and others
hiding behind apologies for temporary kludges. If you
On 08/26/2010 11:46 AM, Faldegast wrote:
Yes. We should strive to have as much hardware as possible. But still
without valuable time and money to support vendors that ignore us.
Linux/Android phones with official Linux drivers and documentation
should be supported, and so should Linux
On 08/27/2010 11:28 AM, Faldegast wrote:
Its not a shining example of FOSS but its still Linux and far more
FOSS then others. By the way thank you for the link, i have been locking
for something like this. By the number of products they seam to have I
would guess that the project have been a
On 08/26/2010 11:46 AM, Faldegast wrote:
Yes. We should strive to have as much hardware as possible. But still
without valuable time and money to support vendors that ignore us.
Linux/Android phones with official Linux drivers and documentation
should be supported, and so should Linux
On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 23:46, Faldegast 1...@bugs.launchpad.net wrote:
This is where Apple got it right. They dont make OS X work with all
hardware. They say this is how Mac hardware works and then they let
everyone that complies get to be called Mac hardware.
I tend to agree with you. And
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 07:42:30 +
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On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 23:46, Faldegast 1...@bugs.launchpad.net wrote:
This is where Apple got it right. They dont make OS X work
free word-of-mouth advertising. The best way to gain
mindshare (and fix Bug #1) is to focus on what Ubuntu does best and
continually reinforce that message, politefully, and tactfully.
On 10-08-23 07:20 AM, Tom wrote:
I have often found troubles with the new Windows in the first year of it's
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by continually mentioning their names and products we give them
additional free word-of-mouth advertising. The best way to gain
mindshare (and fix Bug #1) is to focus on what Ubuntu does best and
continually reinforce that message, politefully, and tactfully.
I agree with you - although I did not come over
On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 10:58, Graham ubu...@grahams.idps.co.uk wrote:
My Gran always warmed to pot before brewing tea.
I have made her tea several times without warming the pot.
She never complained about my tea, in fact she said it was quite nice.
She saw me doing it once and complained.
MicroSquish Office has plenty of bugs too. My favourite is in Excel where
people autosum a column of figures directly under the column and then try to
insert a row at the bottom. Sometimes it gets included in the total but
usually
it doesn't. Word keeps switching formatting, dictionaries
On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 11:40, Tom 1...@bugs.launchpad.net wrote:
MicroSquish Office has plenty of bugs too. My favourite is in Excel where
[...]
Of course, it has also plenty of bugs (and I mentioned that) - e.g. my
favorite Excel-bug is: It can't handle negative times. Guess, in my
room
On 08/23/2010 05:23 AM, Martin Wildam wrote:
Just to give an example: Somebody not knowing much of
computers can buy yet another hardware gadget without the need to
worry about compatibility with the OS. Everywhere is written if
Windows 7 compatibility is given - but quite nobody writes
On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 14:05, houstonbofh 1...@bugs.launchpad.net wrote:
Amusingly enough, I was hooking up a fairly new HP printer last night.
Works in Linux with no trouble. Works in XP with no trouble. Could not
find a driver. Windows 7, 64bit. You know why, and I know why, but the
I have often found troubles with the new Windows in the first year of it's
releaes. They tend to act a lot like alpha releases except you have to buy
them for a price and there is little or no support (blame the user, that
error message does not exist etc) let alone efficient means of
advertising. The best way to gain
mindshare (and fix Bug #1) is to focus on what Ubuntu does best and
continually reinforce that message, politefully, and tactfully.
On 10-08-23 07:20 AM, Tom wrote:
I have often found troubles with the new Windows in the first year of it's
releaes. They tend
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Hi,
When i compare to apple's way of selling, i don't mean that ubuntu should
close it's sources (how can he ?), close it's format, or make a big marketing
campaign (well, in fact, why not ?).
But I mean that it is easyer to earn money when you sell a complete system
(what apple makes)
Why can't Ubuntu local communities create a database of local stores in
their area to guide people interested in Ubuntu. Also we can create a list
of peripherals accepted by the kernel and are sold by these local stores.
This way, we can help fellow Ubuntu users to achieve to just works
Hi :)
I would favour a simple traffic light type logo endorsing products or services.
An expert in hardware issues (particularly printers) pointed out (in a
DistroWatch article) that the Free Software Foundation already has a 5 lights
system which is slightly flawed but could be re-arranged.
Regarding killer apps my company has kindly allowed me to use Ubuntu when i
boot a LiveCd or Usb session and a couple of times has expressed in having a
look at what i can do, at some point when they have some free time and nothing
else to do (will never happen, hopefully).
However GnuCash
Hi :)
I would favour a simple traffic light type logo endorsing products or
services.
An expert in hardware issues (particularly printers) pointed out (in a
DistroWatch article) that the Free Software Foundation already has a 5 lights
system which is slightly flawed but could be
Hi again
The point i was trying to make is that hardware does not neatly fall into 1 of
the 2 categories
category 1 being supported and
category 2 being unsupported
There are questions about firmware or hardwiring and then drivers that have
restricted functionality because some or all of the
Hi again
The point i was trying to make is that hardware does not neatly fall into 1
of
the 2 categories
category 1 being supported and
category 2 being unsupported
There are questions about firmware or hardwiring and then drivers that have
restricted functionality because some
My Gran always warmed to pot before brewing tea.
I have made her tea several times without warming the pot.
She never complained about my tea, in fact she said it was quite nice.
She saw me doing it once and complained.
But I never warm the pot, Gran
Did she:
A. Complain that she always thought
On 08/17/2010 06:46 PM, Martin Wildam wrote:
I am with you partly. I don't think that Canonical should be really
enter hardware manufactoring. I think it would be sufficient to have
some official recommendations of hardware combinations (maybe which
are specifically tested). There could be
On 08/17/2010 10:11 PM, mzc wrote:
Well I guess it's still up to all Ubuntu community members to really promote
OEMs and create demand for them.
And support them. Next to me right now I have 2 fully loaded Eland Pro
systems with 10 hot plug drives, and 3ware raid. Very well built boxes,
and
Hi :)
I think the idea about Cannonical selling hardware with Ubuntu tailored to it
is
not such a bad idea. There seems to be a gap in the market at local level.
Dell and others sell machines with Ubuntu pre-installed and there are a lot of
Dell machines being sold in computer shops locally
I think the idea about Cannonical selling hardware with Ubuntu tailored to it
is
not such a bad idea. There seems to be a gap in the market at local level.
Dell and others sell machines with Ubuntu pre-installed and there are a lot
of
Dell machines being sold in computer shops
be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and
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Computer stores are usually tied up with Microsoft in their sales/discount.
It boils up to risks presented to stores such as if they sell Linux they may
lose their discount/promo from Microsoft. Will the demand for other
platforms counter this risk? I don't know. It will take a big
Hi,
When i compare to apple's way of selling, i don't mean that ubuntu should close
it's sources (how can he ?), close it's format, or make a big marketing
campaign (well, in fact, why not ?).
But I mean that it is easyer to earn money when you sell a complete system
(what apple makes) that
, and help solve bug#1.
Don't you ?
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canonical and have a customer-seller
relation.
If you want to try a new thing or develop a software, you get the support of
the communauty !
I think a product like that with a good marketing campaign, would have a
great impact, and help solve bug#1.
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Having a list of all good sellers, or even all of them, is nothing as long as
the sellers sell their computer with a higher or at least egal price than with
windows.
Which is actually the case today.
Let me ask you some questions:
- How many of us will be obliged to buy a new windows licence
@Randall @Mark
The certified hardware section of the site mentions company
names like HP, Dell, Toshiba, etc. while missing out companies
like System76 that actually sell Ubuntu computers.
http://webapps.ubuntu.com/certification/
After reviewing the link. It does not match what system76
Hello,
Excuse-me, but i just had an idea that you must certainly allready think
about, but i fell that i have to tell you:
Well, let's look at apple, it is getting bigger everyday.
One of the key card of apple is that they sell software and hardware.
They aren't just a software-seller.
It means
On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 20:55, torpedolos 1...@bugs.launchpad.net wrote:
It means that the OS of apple doesn't need to be able to work on every
platform, with every proc, every graphic or sound card, etc
And I want it running on different hardware - desktops, servers,
notebooks, netbooks,
It's done.
Please refer to the official list of hardware. Please direct everyone
you know to do the same.
http://webapps.ubuntu.com/certification/
On 10-08-17 03:46 PM, Martin Wildam wrote:
I am with you partly. I don't think that Canonical should be really
enter hardware manufactoring. I
It means that the OS of apple doesn't need to be able to work on every
platform, with every proc, every graphic or sound card, etc
And I want it running on different hardware - desktops, servers,
notebooks, netbooks, ... - oh yes, even mobile phones and routers.
That said...
And i
On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 01:04, Randall Ross (rrnwexec)
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It's done.
Please refer to the official list of hardware. Please direct everyone
you know to do the same.
http://webapps.ubuntu.com/certification/
You are my hero - thanks 1000 times.
And now I found the link at
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That's true. system76 is likely in a different category. I assume they
are in the new Ubuntu-ready category which just popped up recently on
the certification site. I will be sure to ask them though. Or maybe
they'll chime in :)
Cheers,
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