Re: Ubuntu 14.10 onwards: Convergence is coming...

2014-04-15 Thread Martin Pitt
Robert Ancell [2014-04-16 9:52 +1200]: > I agree this is an enormous change but the reality of what convergence > means. We want the same apps to run on the phone as the desktop so > when you dock your phone the apps work in both form factors. I'm not so sure about that. To me, convergence primar

Re: Ubuntu 14.10 onwards: Convergence is coming...

2014-04-15 Thread Marco Trevisan
Il giorno mer, 16/04/2014 alle 10.25 +1200, Robert Ancell ha scritto: > On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 10:47 PM, Sebastien Bacher wrote: > > Le 15/04/2014 04:32, Robert Ancell a écrit : > >> With 14.04 wrapping up it's time to start thinking about what we can > >> do with the desktop post LTS. I think th

Re: Ubuntu 14.10 onwards: Convergence is coming...

2014-04-15 Thread Robert Ancell
On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 10:47 PM, Sebastien Bacher wrote: > Le 15/04/2014 04:32, Robert Ancell a écrit : >> With 14.04 wrapping up it's time to start thinking about what we can >> do with the desktop post LTS. I think there's one big theme we need to >> focus on - Convergence. All the Unity 8 good

Re: Ubuntu 14.10 onwards: Convergence is coming...

2014-04-15 Thread Robert Ancell
On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 8:42 AM, Jason Warner wrote: > > > > On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 1:12 PM, Robert Park > wrote: >> What is the solution? Will we make the desktop roll? Will we subject >> the phone to freezes? I don't know which approach is superior but the >> only thing that's certain is that

Re: Ubuntu 14.10 onwards: Convergence is coming...

2014-04-15 Thread Robert Ancell
On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 8:37 PM, Adam Dingle wrote: > If you replace all these apps with something else, I think that will be the > largest change in Ubuntu's history - most of these apps have been around > since the dawn of time and are very familiar to Ubuntu users. I'd go so far > as to say th

Re: Ubuntu 14.10 onwards: Convergence is coming...

2014-04-15 Thread Jason Warner
On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 1:12 PM, Robert Park wrote: > On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 7:32 PM, Robert Ancell > wrote: > > Are there any other good opportunities for us to start tackling? > > How about the release process itself? Ubuntu Desktop has freeze > periods for it's 6-monthly releases while Ubuntu

Re: Ubuntu 14.10 onwards: Convergence is coming...

2014-04-15 Thread Robert Park
On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 7:32 PM, Robert Ancell wrote: > Are there any other good opportunities for us to start tackling? How about the release process itself? Ubuntu Desktop has freeze periods for it's 6-monthly releases while Ubuntu Touch just steamrolls* right through. This causes some impedanc

Re: chromium-browser in trusty

2014-04-15 Thread Chad Miller
Bryan, we're shipping released v34 plus only necessary backports from m35, and will ship v35 in security when it's ready as normal. - chad On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 2:24 PM, Bryan Quigley wrote: > Hi Chad, > > I've been curious what we are going to do about that NPAPI removal... > > Just to b

Re: chromium-browser in trusty

2014-04-15 Thread Bryan Quigley
Hi Chad, I've been curious what we are going to do about that NPAPI removal... Just to be clear, we are shipping M34 with backports of Aura from build 35+? Or is the plan to end up shipping M35? Thanks! Bryan On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 12:23 PM, Chad Miller wrote: > Hi all. I maintain the chro

Re: Ubuntu 14.10 onwards: Convergence is coming...

2014-04-15 Thread Robert Park
On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 1:37 AM, Adam Dingle wrote: > Robert, thanks for your message. Obviously all of these are significant > projects, but the task "Replace core apps" at the end of your list would > seem to be larger than everything else, depending of course by what you mean > by core. Diffe

chromium-browser in trusty

2014-04-15 Thread Chad Miller
Hi all. I maintain the chromium packaging for Ubuntu, and I'd like to explain its state and near future. Chromium-browser in 14.04 is stuck in a bad position. First, upstream is killing* the old Netscape Plugin API as they rip out Gtk2 libraries and move to their internal toolkit, "Aura". NPAPI

Re: Ubuntu 14.10 onwards: Convergence is coming...

2014-04-15 Thread Sebastien Bacher
Le 15/04/2014 04:32, Robert Ancell a écrit : > With 14.04 wrapping up it's time to start thinking about what we can > do with the desktop post LTS. I think there's one big theme we need to > focus on - Convergence. All the Unity 8 goodness that is going into > the phone / tablet builds is coming ou

Re: Ubuntu 14.10 onwards: Convergence is coming...

2014-04-15 Thread Adam Dingle
Robert, thanks for your message. Obviously all of these are significant projects, but the task "Replace core apps" at the end of your list would seem to be larger than everything else, depending of course by what you mean by core. I'm still a little in the dark as to Ubuntu's intentions here: