Update on the new ibus-1.5 and gnome-settings-daemon gnome-control-center 3.6 situation

2012-11-20 Thread Sebastien Bacher
Hey, I've been looking at the new ibus/g-s-d/g-c-c stack recently to update in raring and I'm not convinced it's a good idea to update to those. We have discussed the issue a bit on IRC today but I figured I would write an email to the list to document and share the thinking. There seem to b

Re: Update on the new ibus-1.5 and gnome-settings-daemon gnome-control-center 3.6 situation

2012-11-20 Thread Ma Xiaojun
On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 12:13 PM, Sebastien Bacher wrote: > I've been looking at the new ibus/g-s-d/g-c-c stack recently to update in > raring and I'm not convinced it's a good idea to update to those. We have > discussed the issue a bit on IRC today but I figured I would write an email > to the l

Re: Update on the new ibus-1.5 and gnome-settings-daemon gnome-control-center 3.6 situation

2012-11-20 Thread Jeremy Bicha
On 20 November 2012 15:31, Ma Xiaojun wrote: > On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 12:13 PM, Sebastien Bacher wrote: >> I've been looking at the new ibus/g-s-d/g-c-c stack recently to update in >> raring and I'm not convinced it's a good idea to update to those. We have >> discussed the issue a bit on IRC to

Re: Update on the new ibus-1.5 and gnome-settings-daemon gnome-control-center 3.6 situation

2012-11-20 Thread Ma Xiaojun
On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 3:06 PM, Jeremy Bicha wrote: > http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2012/11/20/%23ubuntu-desktop.html#t14:59 until 16:30 OK, I will try to stay there since now, not to miss such discussions. > https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-r-gnome-fallback > > I don't think w

Re: Update on the new ibus-1.5 and gnome-settings-daemon gnome-control-center 3.6 situation

2012-11-20 Thread Robert Ancell
On 21/11/12 07:13, Sebastien Bacher wrote: > Hey, > > I've been looking at the new ibus/g-s-d/g-c-c stack recently to update > in raring and I'm not convinced it's a good idea to update to those. > We have discussed the issue a bit on IRC today but I figured I would > write an email to the list to

Re: Update on the new ibus-1.5 and gnome-settings-daemon gnome-control-center 3.6 situation

2012-11-20 Thread Jeremy Bicha
On 20 November 2012 16:59, Ma Xiaojun wrote: >> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-r-gnome-fallback >> >> I don't think work on porting the indicator patch to ibus 1.4.99 has >> really started yet. Seb was looking at it, which sparked this >> discussion. > > You need to be clear

Re: Update on the new ibus-1.5 and gnome-settings-daemon gnome-control-center 3.6 situation

2012-11-20 Thread Ma Xiaojun
Sorry for not repeating the list previously, jbicha. On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 4:29 PM, Jeremy Bicha wrote: > I believe the design plan was basically that the indicator should "do > like what it did in Quantal…unless we can do it better". I repeat, current IBus indicator isn't working right becaus

Re: Update on the new ibus-1.5 and gnome-settings-daemon gnome-control-center 3.6 situation

2012-11-20 Thread AWASHIRO Ikuya
Hi, On Tue, 20 Nov 2012 19:13:10 +0100 Sebastien Bacher wrote: > Our options, if we stay on the current ibus, are: > - stay on g-s-d/g-c-c 3.4 (the current version) > - update g-s-d/g-c-c to 3.6 fully using the upstream code without > building with ibus (they have a fallback mode without ibus i

Re: Update on the new ibus-1.5 and gnome-settings-daemon gnome-control-center 3.6 situation

2012-11-20 Thread Ma Xiaojun
On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 9:47 PM, AWASHIRO Ikuya wrote: > $ sudo add-apt-repository ppa:jbicha/ibus > $ sudo apt-get update;sudo apt-get upgrade > $ gsettings set com.canonical.Unity.Panel systray-whitelist > "['JavaEmbeddedFrame', 'Wine', 'Update-notifier', 'ibus']" > $ gsettings set org.gnome.se

Re: Update on the new ibus-1.5 and gnome-settings-daemon gnome-control-center 3.6 situation

2012-11-20 Thread AWASHIRO Ikuya
On Tue, 20 Nov 2012 23:55:56 -0600 Ma Xiaojun wrote: > You are not concerned with the global state issue? I don't understand what is the problem well, IBus 1.4.99.20121006 still have Global input method settings. Thanks, -- AWASHIRO Ikuya ik...@fruitsbasket.info / ik...@oooug.jp / iku...@gmail.

Re: Update on the new ibus-1.5 and gnome-settings-daemon gnome-control-center 3.6 situation

2012-11-20 Thread Ma Xiaojun
On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 12:20 AM, AWASHIRO Ikuya wrote: > I don't understand what is the problem well, IBus 1.4.99.20121006 still > have Global input method settings. The problem is that it enforces global input source state now. In 1.4 it is configurable, you can have either local (per window /

Re: Update on the new ibus-1.5 and gnome-settings-daemon gnome-control-center 3.6 situation

2012-11-21 Thread AWASHIRO Ikuya
On Wed, 21 Nov 2012 01:44:58 -0600 Ma Xiaojun wrote: > The problem is that it enforces global input source state now. > In 1.4 it is configurable, you can have either local (per window / > input context) or global state. > I received issue report June this year for this. > http://code.google.com/

Re: Update on the new ibus-1.5 and gnome-settings-daemon gnome-control-center 3.6 situation

2012-11-21 Thread Sebastien Bacher
Le 20/11/2012 21:31, Ma Xiaojun a Ă©crit : Exactly. I probably want to try adding such feature back to IBus itself at certain point. But I have no confidence of persuading so-called GNOME design people, please help. Do you have a list of the features that are missing in the 1.5 update? Is that m

Re: Update on the new ibus-1.5 and gnome-settings-daemon gnome-control-center 3.6 situation

2012-11-21 Thread Ma Xiaojun
On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 4:47 AM, Sebastien Bacher wrote: > Do you have a list of the features that are missing in the 1.5 update? Is > that mostly the "input method per win" option? I will try to resume/continue > the GNOME upstream discussion on the topic Yes, mostly the "input method per win" o

Re: Update on the new ibus-1.5 and gnome-settings-daemon gnome-control-center 3.6 situation

2013-06-07 Thread Jeremy Bicha
On 20 November 2012 13:13, Sebastien Bacher wrote: > I've been looking at the new ibus/g-s-d/g-c-c stack recently to update in > raring and I'm not convinced it's a good idea to update to those. We have > discussed the issue a bit on IRC today but I figured I would write an email > to the list to

Re: Update on the new ibus-1.5 and gnome-settings-daemon gnome-control-center 3.6 situation

2013-06-07 Thread Ma Xiaojun
On Sat, Jun 8, 2013 at 8:47 AM, Jeremy Bicha wrote: > Hey could we revisit this topic and see what still is blocking ibus > 1.5 from Ubuntu? Sure. > The 'separate input sources per window' feature has apparently > returned which was a big blocker last year.[1] Well, it is returned in GNOME Shel

Annoying GNOMEism, again (was: Update on the new ibus-1.5 and gnome-settings-daemon gnome-control-center 3.6 situation)

2012-11-23 Thread Ma Xiaojun
After GNOME people decided that per windows input source (layout or input method) is useless. https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=684210 ( The feature existed in 3.4 and before) They made something even more surprising; white listing input engines and properties input engines can expose. S

Re: Annoying GNOMEism, again (was: Update on the new ibus-1.5 and gnome-settings-daemon gnome-control-center 3.6 situation)

2012-11-23 Thread Jeremy Bicha
On 23 November 2012 18:49, Ma Xiaojun wrote: > They made something even more surprising; white listing input engines > and properties input engines can expose. > > The first one does affect us, though a patch would be easy to write. > We have decent packages for every working IBus engines in our >

Re: Annoying GNOMEism, again (was: Update on the new ibus-1.5 and gnome-settings-daemon gnome-control-center 3.6 situation)

2012-11-23 Thread Ma Xiaojun
On Fri, Nov 23, 2012 at 6:40 PM, Jeremy Bicha wrote: > It's very easy for Ubuntu as a distro to change a gsettings default > (that's what ubuntu-settings and ubuntu-gnome-default-settings do). Well, show_all_source won't be a good option since it would show some useless engines either. The only t