Re: Avoiding fragmentation with a rolling release

2013-03-04 Thread Martin Pitt
Dmitrijs Ledkovs [2013-03-04 23:08 +]: > For me the other caveats are lack of documentation look-ups, one has > to guess how it would be called in C api and look that up and then > translate to semi-pythonic dot notation, test the gi call in ipython > and only then use. > This is hardly rapid d

Re: Avoiding fragmentation with a rolling release

2013-03-04 Thread Martin Pitt
Hello Evan, Evan Dandrea [2013-03-04 15:34 +]: > > "From exceptions to segfaults" is quite a harsh exaggeration. > > >> from gi.repository import GdkX11 > >> GdkX11.get_default_xdisplay() > [1]10593 segmentation fault (core dumped) ipython > > >> import gtk > >> gtk.gdk.display_get_defa

Re: ureadahead

2013-03-04 Thread Dmitrijs Ledkovs
On 4 March 2013 21:29, Phillip Susi wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 3/4/2013 2:58 PM, Bryan Fullerton wrote: >> However, in the process of this I couldn't help but notice that >> ureadahead seems fairly abandoned, even though it's still shipping >> with most (all?)

Re: Resignation

2013-03-04 Thread PK
All the best, Charlie! :-) I remember working with you on some Xubuntu issues. You were the leader of the Xubuntu team back then. You're a good guy! May I suggest an alternative volunteer effort for you? The Xfce project (which is upstream) is a great way to keep contributing to all distro's who

Re: Avoiding fragmentation with a rolling release

2013-03-04 Thread Dmitrijs Ledkovs
On 4 March 2013 15:34, Evan Dandrea wrote: > On Mon, Mar 4, 2013 at 1:16 PM, Martin Pitt wrote: >> Evan Dandrea [2013-03-04 11:24 +]: >> "From exceptions to segfaults" is quite a harsh exaggeration. > >>> from gi.repository import GdkX11 >>> GdkX11.get_default_xdisplay() > [1]10593 segmen

Re: Avoiding fragmentation with a rolling release

2013-03-04 Thread Robert Bruce Park
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 13-03-04 07:34 AM, Evan Dandrea wrote: >> "From exceptions to segfaults" is quite a harsh exaggeration. > >>> from gi.repository import GdkX11 GdkX11.get_default_xdisplay() > [1]10593 segmentation fault (core dumped) ipython > >>> import gtk

Re: taking Unity to the next level

2013-03-04 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Monday, March 04, 2013 01:56:43 PM Jono Bacon wrote: > On Mon, Mar 4, 2013 at 1:52 PM, Scott Kitterman wrote: > > As long as Canonical doesn't follow their usual practice of patching stuff > > without upstreaming, then that might be the case. An incompatible Qt5 is > > just about the worst ca

Re: taking Unity to the next level

2013-03-04 Thread Jono Bacon
On Mon, Mar 4, 2013 at 1:52 PM, Scott Kitterman wrote: > As long as Canonical doesn't follow their usual practice of patching stuff > without upstreaming, then that might be the case. An incompatible Qt5 is just > about the worst case scenario. This seems like a good chance for us to work more c

Re: taking Unity to the next level

2013-03-04 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Monday, March 04, 2013 01:50:22 PM Jono Bacon wrote: > On Mon, Mar 4, 2013 at 1:35 PM, Ted Gould wrote: > > On Mon, 2013-03-04 at 15:35 -0500, Scott Kitterman wrote: > > > > Projecting out a year or two, I'm personally starting to run short of > > reasons > > why a non-Unity desktop flavor of

Re: taking Unity to the next level

2013-03-04 Thread Jono Bacon
On Mon, Mar 4, 2013 at 1:35 PM, Ted Gould wrote: > On Mon, 2013-03-04 at 15:35 -0500, Scott Kitterman wrote: > > Projecting out a year or two, I'm personally starting to run short of > reasons > why a non-Unity desktop flavor of Ubuntu makes sense as a value proposition. > I > can probably build a

Re: taking Unity to the next level

2013-03-04 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Monday, March 04, 2013 03:35:42 PM Ted Gould wrote: > On Mon, 2013-03-04 at 15:35 -0500, Scott Kitterman wrote: > > +AD4 Projecting out a year or two, I'm personally starting to run short of > reasons +AD4 why a non-Unity desktop flavor of Ubuntu makes sense as a > value proposition. I +AD4 ca

Re: taking Unity to the next level

2013-03-04 Thread Ted Gould
On Mon, 2013-03-04 at 15:35 -0500, Scott Kitterman wrote: > Projecting out a year or two, I'm personally starting to run short of reasons > why a non-Unity desktop flavor of Ubuntu makes sense as a value proposition. > I > can probably build a current KDE + Debian Wheezy derivative with less w

Re: ureadahead

2013-03-04 Thread Phillip Susi
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 3/4/2013 2:58 PM, Bryan Fullerton wrote: > However, in the process of this I couldn't help but notice that > ureadahead seems fairly abandoned, even though it's still shipping > with most (all?) versions of Ubuntu. The main project on LP hasn't > be

Re: taking Unity to the next level

2013-03-04 Thread Petko
As the schematics are still being laid out I want to voice my thoughts on application access to resources . You have surely considered the subject and it is mentioned in the Wiki texts , but there must be a big emphasis on it , since in order to have real security every app/service should be r

Re: taking Unity to the next level

2013-03-04 Thread Bryce Harrington
On Mon, Mar 04, 2013 at 03:35:21PM -0500, Scott Kitterman wrote: > On Monday, March 04, 2013 11:45:57 AM Bryce Harrington wrote: > > On Mon, Mar 04, 2013 at 01:39:36PM -0500, Scott Kitterman wrote: > > > On Monday, March 04, 2013 05:46:54 PM Oliver Ries wrote: > citizens in the long run. Also, one

Re: Resignation

2013-03-04 Thread Pasi Lallinaho
On 04/03/13 22:37, Charlie Kravetz wrote: > After much thinking and consideration, I am resigning from all Ubuntu > related activities. I can no longer say I agree with most of the > decisions being made by Canonical. While I wish this distribution all > the best, I can not consider myself of somet

Re: Let's Discuss Interim Releases (and a Rolling Release)

2013-03-04 Thread Steve Langasek
On Mon, Mar 04, 2013 at 12:42:30PM -0800, Scott Ritchie wrote: > On 3/3/13 4:54 PM, Colin Watson wrote: > >On Sat, Mar 02, 2013 at 11:36:45AM +0100, Nicolas Delvaux wrote: > >>On Fri, 2013-03-02 at 09:32 +, Colin Watson wrote: > >>>I'm surprised, because when I hunt around for people talking ab

Re: Let's Discuss Interim Releases (and a Rolling Release)

2013-03-04 Thread Scott Ritchie
On 3/3/13 4:54 PM, Colin Watson wrote: On Sat, Mar 02, 2013 at 11:36:45AM +0100, Nicolas Delvaux wrote: On Fri, 2013-03-02 at 09:32 +, Colin Watson wrote: I'm surprised, because when I hunt around for people talking about their experiences running raring I've generally found them favourably

Resignation

2013-03-04 Thread Charlie Kravetz
After much thinking and consideration, I am resigning from all Ubuntu related activities. I can no longer say I agree with most of the decisions being made by Canonical. While I wish this distribution all the best, I can not consider myself of something that I am no longer finding expresses my idea

Re: taking Unity to the next level

2013-03-04 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Monday, March 04, 2013 11:45:57 AM Bryce Harrington wrote: > On Mon, Mar 04, 2013 at 01:39:36PM -0500, Scott Kitterman wrote: > > On Monday, March 04, 2013 05:46:54 PM Oliver Ries wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > > I wanted to give you a quick heads up regarding Unity in preparation of > > > this wee

Re: taking Unity to the next level

2013-03-04 Thread Bryce Harrington
On Mon, Mar 04, 2013 at 01:39:36PM -0500, Scott Kitterman wrote: > On Monday, March 04, 2013 05:46:54 PM Oliver Ries wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I wanted to give you a quick heads up regarding Unity in preparation of > > this weeks UDS. > > > > The traction that Ubuntu Touch is creating is great and t

Re: taking Unity to the next level

2013-03-04 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Monday, March 04, 2013 05:46:54 PM Oliver Ries wrote: > Hi, > > I wanted to give you a quick heads up regarding Unity in preparation of > this weeks UDS. > > The traction that Ubuntu Touch is creating is great and the team is > happy with where this is leading us. However, in order to implemen

taking Unity to the next level

2013-03-04 Thread Oliver Ries
Hi, I wanted to give you a quick heads up regarding Unity in preparation of this weeks UDS. The traction that Ubuntu Touch is creating is great and the team is happy with where this is leading us. However, in order to implement the vision of converged devices, some changes to our Display Stack ar

Re: Is there a "Available on the App Store" equivalent of Ubuntu Software Center

2013-03-04 Thread Ma Xiaojun
Thank you all. Are there badge guidelines? like: https://developer.android.com/distribute/googleplay/promote/brand.html https://developer.apple.com/appstore/AppStoreMarketingGuidelines.pdf -- ubuntu-devel mailing list ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://list

Re: No "Lunch" break Re: Ubuntu Developer Summits Now Online and Every Three Months

2013-03-04 Thread Jono Bacon
On Mon, Mar 4, 2013 at 8:29 AM, Jono Bacon wrote: > Agreed. Unfortunately its too late to adjust this for the event > beginning tomorrow, but we will definitely include breaks at the next > UDS in May. I recommend for this one attendees coordinate breaks > themselves (e.g. for session leaders to p

Re: No "Lunch" break Re: Ubuntu Developer Summits Now Online and Every Three Months

2013-03-04 Thread Jono Bacon
On Sun, Mar 3, 2013 at 4:50 PM, Colin Watson wrote: > I'd been wondering that too. Contrary to popular belief, developers > surely aren't robots who can be continuously productive without > downtime, particularly in what may be stressful discussions involving > robust debate. Some kind of break

Re: Is there a "Available on the App Store" equivalent of Ubuntu Software Center

2013-03-04 Thread Dmitrijs Ledkovs
On 4 March 2013 08:29, Ma Xiaojun wrote: > As title. > Do you mean "Download for Ubuntu" button?! http://www.jorgecastro.org/2012/08/07/easier-installation-for-everyone-with-the-ubuntu-button/ Regards, Dmitrijs. -- ubuntu-devel mailing list ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or un

Re: Is there a "Available on the App Store" equivalent of Ubuntu Software Center

2013-03-04 Thread Michael Hall
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 03/04/2013 10:12 AM, Dave Morley wrote: > On 04/03/13 08:29, Ma Xiaojun wrote: >> As title. > > Have a look at https://apps.ubuntu.com/cat and search for the app. > > That will give you a clue as to what you can do. > > If you want an image,

Re: Avoiding fragmentation with a rolling release

2013-03-04 Thread Evan Dandrea
On Mon, Mar 4, 2013 at 1:16 PM, Martin Pitt wrote: > Evan Dandrea [2013-03-04 11:24 +]: >> If we're committed to leaving ourselves the option to change the >> entire development stack ever year, we won't have very many high >> quality developers or applications on our platform. Could we not >>

Re: Is there a "Available on the App Store" equivalent of Ubuntu Software Center

2013-03-04 Thread Dave Morley
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 04/03/13 08:29, Ma Xiaojun wrote: > As title. > Have a look at https://apps.ubuntu.com/cat and search for the app. That will give you a clue as to what you can do. - -- You make it, I'll break it! I love my job :) http://www.ubuntu.com http://w

Re: [kubuntu-devel] Re: [kubuntu-devel] Re: tablets request

2013-03-04 Thread Rohan Garg
Hi Jonathan > I'd suppose this, we shouldn't be afraid to buy things for people who have a > record of helping Kubuntu in the expectation they will work out what it takes > to get Kubuntu onto the device. I'd like a final price before giving a final > say so however. Total cost ( Including s

Is there a "Available on the App Store" equivalent of Ubuntu Software Center

2013-03-04 Thread Ma Xiaojun
As title. -- ubuntu-devel mailing list ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel

Query re correcting borked SNMP mibs.

2013-03-04 Thread Frank Hamersley
As a recent arrival on this list - so far it seems it is more about dev policy than working contributed hacks into the code base?!? Regardless the contribution I am interested in preparing, is to repair some slightly borked SNMP mibs that I have detected could be improved in the distribution. Is

Reminder: UDS Plenaries due today!

2013-03-04 Thread Jorge O. Castro
Hi everyone, We've had 3 submissions for plenaries so far, so there's room for one more, and we have _plenty_ of room for lightning talks. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UDS-1303/Plenaries Today's your last chance! -- Jorge Castro Canonical Ltd. http://juju.ubuntu.com -- ubuntu-devel mailing list ub

Re: Avoiding fragmentation with a rolling release

2013-03-04 Thread Colin Watson
On Mon, Mar 04, 2013 at 11:26:49AM +, Victor Palau wrote: > On 28/02/13 23:07, Loïc Minier wrote: > > I think this would be a valid solution; one thing to keep in mind with > > this approach that security updates would be built based on some version > > of the rolling release and so users of ol

Re: Monthly snapshots Re: Let's Discuss Interim Releases (and a Rolling Release)

2013-03-04 Thread Loïc Minier
On Mon, Mar 04, 2013, Philipp Kern wrote: > am Mon, Mar 04, 2013 at 11:42:03AM +0100 hast du folgendes geschrieben: > > I'm not intimate with the costs needed on the archive side when opening > > a new series, so can't go in details about these, but I suppose it > > ranges from creating new buildd

Re: Monthly snapshots Re: Let's Discuss Interim Releases (and a Rolling Release)

2013-03-04 Thread Philipp Kern
Loïc, am Mon, Mar 04, 2013 at 11:42:03AM +0100 hast du folgendes geschrieben: > I'm not intimate with the costs needed on the archive side when opening > a new series, so can't go in details about these, but I suppose it > ranges from creating new buildd chroots, updating a bunch of scripts, > usi

Re: Avoiding fragmentation with a rolling release

2013-03-04 Thread Martin Pitt
Evan Dandrea [2013-03-04 11:24 +]: > If we're committed to leaving ourselves the option to change the > entire development stack ever year, we won't have very many high > quality developers or applications on our platform. Could we not > instead say, "enough is enough" and commit ourselves to p

Re: Avoiding fragmentation with a rolling release

2013-03-04 Thread Victor Palau
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 01/03/13 03:04, Michael Hall wrote: > > On 02/28/2013 04:55 PM, Matthew Paul Thomas wrote: > > That's a worst-case scenario for Ubuntu as a platform. The type of > > users most likely to install applications, not doing so, because > > they're usin

Re: Avoiding fragmentation with a rolling release

2013-03-04 Thread Victor Palau
On 28/02/13 23:07, Loïc Minier wrote: > On Thu, Feb 28, 2013, Alex Chiang wrote: >> If you want to avoid the daily grind, press the close button when >> update-manager fires. Or set the 'check for updates' frequency to >> monthly. I think the intended audience for monthly images could >> handle th

Re: Avoiding fragmentation with a rolling release

2013-03-04 Thread Evan Dandrea
On Sat, Mar 2, 2013 at 9:11 AM, Martin Pitt wrote: > Loïc Minier [2013-03-01 12:10 +0100]: >> I don't think we can make any commitment against all of Ubuntu or all of >> main, but we could pick a subset by product and commit to some level of >> API and ABI support for this subset. > > I still disa

Re: Let's Discuss Interim Releases (and a Rolling Release)

2013-03-04 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi, Rick Spencer wrote: > ... rolling releases ... As the LibreOffice maintainer I am very happy to hear this, for a set of reasons, but since so many have already been covered, let me just focus on the two most essential: - while the upstream release plan was explicitly crafted to arrive with a

Re: Monthly snapshots Re: Let's Discuss Interim Releases (and a Rolling Release)

2013-03-04 Thread Loïc Minier
On Sat, Mar 02, 2013, Robert Collins wrote: > > source.list changes from one monthly to the next. Launchpad series are > > in too many places and would be too expensive to create/update monthly > > I'd like to challenge that. Currently LP series happen every 6 months. > Monthly is only 6 times th

Re: Avoiding fragmentation with a rolling release

2013-03-04 Thread Philipp Kern
Michael, am Sun, Mar 03, 2013 at 10:48:21AM -0500 hast du folgendes geschrieben: > Does Zynga have to provide a different version of their games for each > different version of Android they support, or does Android give them > backwards-compatibility so that they can target 2.2 but still run on >

Re: Avoiding fragmentation with a rolling release

2013-03-04 Thread Loïc Minier
On Sat, Mar 02, 2013, Martin Pitt wrote: > Loïc Minier [2013-03-01 12:10 +0100]: > > I don't think we can make any commitment against all of Ubuntu or all of > > main, but we could pick a subset by product and commit to some level of > > API and ABI support for this subset. > > I still disagree. A