On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 6:52 AM, Robert Ancell
wrote:
>
> On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 4:33 PM, Scott Kitterman
> wrote:
>>
>> On Monday, June 17, 2013 09:52:49 PM Oliver Ries wrote:
>> > On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 11:12 AM, Scott Kitterman
>> wrote:
>> Part of the problem is that no one outside Canonica
Hey Jono,
I just want to chime in with my impressions from various discussions
and talks to clarify the emotional situation. FWIW, I do not have any
opinion about which technology is better -- I know nothing about this
stuff, just summarizing what I hear/read.
Jono Bacon [2013-06-17 16:47 -0700]
On Tuesday, June 18, 2013 04:52:56 PM Robert Ancell wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 4:33 PM, Scott Kitterman
wrote:
> > On Monday, June 17, 2013 09:52:49 PM Oliver Ries wrote:
> > > On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 11:12 AM, Scott Kitterman
> >
> > wrote:
> > Part of the problem is that no one outside Ca
On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 4:33 PM, Scott Kitterman wrote:
> On Monday, June 17, 2013 09:52:49 PM Oliver Ries wrote:
> > On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 11:12 AM, Scott Kitterman
> wrote:
> Part of the problem is that no one outside Canonical know enough to really
> have an informed opinion. Here are some i
On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 09:00:29PM +0100, Jonathan Riddell wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 11:41:29AM -0400, Marc Deslauriers wrote:
> > Do you have any more details, or opened bugs about the issues?
>
> An X one for example
> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=xrr-ubuntu
Hrm, I just skimmed i
2013/6/18 Jono Bacon :
> On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 3:39 PM, Scott Kitterman
> wrote:
>>
>> The issue isn't that Canonical engineers aren't willing to work with other
>> people on integrating Mir, it's that because Mir is Ubuntu unique, has no
>> stable API/ABI, conflicts with other priorities, etc.,
On Monday, June 17, 2013 09:52:49 PM Oliver Ries wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 11:12 AM, Scott Kitterman
wrote:
> > On Friday, June 14, 2013 11:09:25 AM Oliver Ries wrote:
> >
> > [...]
> >
> > > in addition to that I just want to highlight, that Jono and I are
> > > working
> > > on creating
On Tuesday, June 18, 2013 12:06:45 AM Marc Deslauriers wrote:
> On 13-06-17 11:01 PM, Scott Kitterman wrote:
> >> Well to start with, we can all acknowledge that everybody just wants to
> >> build something better. And while we obviously have different ideas
> >> about what that means, we can stil
On 13-06-17 11:01 PM, Scott Kitterman wrote:
>> Well to start with, we can all acknowledge that everybody just wants to
>> build something better. And while we obviously have different ideas
>> about what that means, we can still work together when it makes sense.
>> There is room enough in our e
On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 11:12 AM, Scott Kitterman wrote:
> On Friday, June 14, 2013 11:09:25 AM Oliver Ries wrote:
>
> [...]
> > in addition to that I just want to highlight, that Jono and I are working
> > on creating a forum for all interested Mir stakeholders (e.g. flavors,
> but
> > also ISVs
On Monday, June 17, 2013 09:32:46 PM Michael Hall wrote:
> 06/17/2013 08:37 PM, Scott Kitterman wrote:
> > On Monday, June 17, 2013 05:32:56 PM Steve Langasek wrote:
> >> On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 05:13:33PM -0400, Scott Kitterman wrote:
> >>> I think Jonathon's post earlier today captures the core
06/17/2013 08:37 PM, Scott Kitterman wrote:
> On Monday, June 17, 2013 05:32:56 PM Steve Langasek wrote:
>> On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 05:13:33PM -0400, Scott Kitterman wrote:
>>> I think Jonathon's post earlier today captures the core issue:
>>>
>>> On Monday, June 17, 2013 09:05:08 PM Jonathan Ridd
On Monday, June 17, 2013 05:32:56 PM Steve Langasek wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 05:13:33PM -0400, Scott Kitterman wrote:
> > I think Jonathon's post earlier today captures the core issue:
> >
> > On Monday, June 17, 2013 09:05:08 PM Jonathan Riddell wrote:
> > > On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 08:01:
On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 05:13:33PM -0400, Scott Kitterman wrote:
> I think Jonathon's post earlier today captures the core issue:
> On Monday, June 17, 2013 09:05:08 PM Jonathan Riddell wrote:
> > On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 08:01:16PM +0200, Thomas Voß wrote:
> > > Yup :) I think a good way forward i
Hi Matthias,
On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 4:34 PM, Matthias Klumpp wrote:
> 2013/6/18 Jono Bacon :
> > I see this as a trade-off.
> Fair point. But you can not expect KDE or GNOME to suddenly jump on
> the Mir train. Supporting a new display server is pretty damn hard, it
> took a lot of time to
> cle
On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 3:39 PM, Scott Kitterman wrote:
> The issue isn't that Canonical engineers aren't willing to work with other
> people on integrating Mir, it's that because Mir is Ubuntu unique, has no
> stable API/ABI, conflicts with other priorities, etc., integrating Mir is
> simply not
On Monday, June 17, 2013 05:54:25 PM Michael Hall wrote:
> On 06/17/2013 05:13 PM, Scott Kitterman wrote:
> > On Monday, June 17, 2013 04:22:41 PM Marc Deslauriers wrote:
> >> On 13-06-17 04:00 PM, Jonathan Riddell wrote:
> >>> On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 11:41:29AM -0400, Marc Deslauriers wrote:
> >>>
On 17.06.2013 23:00, Jonathan Riddell wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 11:41:29AM -0400, Marc Deslauriers wrote:
>> Do you have any more details, or opened bugs about the issues?
>
> An X one for example
> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=xrr-ubuntu
That's simply a regression from upstream, a
Mir uses the free drivers that X does currently and Android drivers. So if
you card is currently supported in X (i.e. intel, ati, nouveau) then it
will continue to work (if those drivers are continued to be maintained).
On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 9:16 AM, Karl Anliot wrote:
> I have to ask because
On 06/17/2013 05:13 PM, Scott Kitterman wrote:
> On Monday, June 17, 2013 04:22:41 PM Marc Deslauriers wrote:
>> On 13-06-17 04:00 PM, Jonathan Riddell wrote:
>>> On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 11:41:29AM -0400, Marc Deslauriers wrote:
Do you have any more details, or opened bugs about the issues?
>>
I have to ask because I do not know: will MIR support old abandoned video
cards?So If I have an older graphics card that works well now, will the
MIR maintainers be supporting that graphics card into the future?
cheers,
kanliot
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On Monday, June 17, 2013 04:22:41 PM Marc Deslauriers wrote:
> On 13-06-17 04:00 PM, Jonathan Riddell wrote:
> > On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 11:41:29AM -0400, Marc Deslauriers wrote:
> >> Do you have any more details, or opened bugs about the issues?
> >
> > An X one for example
> > https://bugs.kde.o
On 13-06-17 04:00 PM, Jonathan Riddell wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 11:41:29AM -0400, Marc Deslauriers wrote:
>> Do you have any more details, or opened bugs about the issues?
>
> An X one for example
> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=xrr-ubuntu
>
I was looking for issues that were caus
On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 01:10:29PM -0700, Jono Bacon wrote:
>Quick question: do you think the GNOME project may be interested in
>exploring Mir as a display server to support.
Gnome will have the same issues as KDE - unstable API and ABI and lack of
manpower for a single distro.
Jonathan
On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 07:33:05PM +0200, Oliver Grawert wrote:
> the above is the offer to participate in a platform for conversation
> about requirements, it is not like someone forces you to write patches
> or so ...
The requirement for KDE (and presumably Gnome) is Wayland.
KWin has been for
On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 08:01:16PM +0200, Thomas Voß wrote:
> Yup :) I think a good way forward is to coordinate a call with
> Jonathan and Martin from KWin such that we can walk through the code
> together and identify the central points that would need to be mapped
> to Mir. We can then start dis
On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 11:41:29AM -0400, Marc Deslauriers wrote:
> Do you have any more details, or opened bugs about the issues?
An X one for example
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=xrr-ubuntu
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Hi Pierre,
On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 04:28:49PM +0200, Pierre Chifflier wrote:
> > On Sun, Jun 16, 2013 at 2:01 PM, Pierre Chifflier wrote:
> > > I'm sorry, but I am not the Ubuntu packager for xtables-addons (nor any
> > > other package, BTW). I see on [1] that my name appears, but in fact, I
> >
On 06/17/2013 04:14 PM, Marc Deslauriers wrote:
Hrm, since this forks instead of doing an exec, it probably doesn't
handle kernel security mechanisms well, such as ASLR. I'm not sure how
we would handle switching AppArmor policies either, or how well our DBus
AppArmor integration would work.
Our
On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 05:53:14PM +0400, Dmitry Shachnev wrote:
> Hi Pierre,
>
> On Sun, Jun 16, 2013 at 2:01 PM, Pierre Chifflier wrote:
> > I'm sorry, but I am not the Ubuntu packager for xtables-addons (nor any
> > other package, BTW). I see on [1] that my name appears, but in fact, I
> > onl
hi,
On Mo, 2013-06-17 at 15:43 +0200, Thomas Voß wrote:
> > Our current plan is to use Upstart for application launching.
> >
> > Are there any benchmarks somewhere that show what the performance gains
> > are on application startup using mapplauncherd?
>
> That's a good point. I think applicatio
Hi Pierre,
On Sun, Jun 16, 2013 at 2:01 PM, Pierre Chifflier wrote:
> I'm sorry, but I am not the Ubuntu packager for xtables-addons (nor any
> other package, BTW). I see on [1] that my name appears, but in fact, I
> only upload to Debian, and somehow (?, cron job or whatever) and
> sometimes Ubu
On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 2:14 PM, Marc Deslauriers
wrote:
> On 13-06-17 01:33 AM, Alberto Mardegan wrote:
>> Hi all!
>> I'm sending this message both to ubuntu-devel and ubuntu-phone, in the
>> hope of reaching the widest interested audience as possible. However,
>> please reply to ubuntu-devel o
On 13-06-17 01:33 AM, Alberto Mardegan wrote:
> Hi all!
> I'm sending this message both to ubuntu-devel and ubuntu-phone, in the
> hope of reaching the widest interested audience as possible. However,
> please reply to ubuntu-devel only.
>
> I want to bring to your attention the existence of a p
On 06/17/2013 12:35 PM, Thomas Voß wrote:
On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 10:02 AM, Michael Zanetti
wrote:
Basically instead of launching your app normally, you give it as an argument
to a the so called invoker (/usr/bin/invoker) which has all the common stuff
already loaded and forks to your applicati
On Sun, Jun 16, 2013 at 2:03 PM, Olav Vitters wrote:
> On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 01:10:29PM -0700, Jono Bacon wrote:
>> On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 5:56 AM, Olav Vitters wrote:
>>
>> > Primary focus for GNOME will be Wayland. There are a few things that
>> > Wayland does not support that X did support.
On Monday 17 June 2013 07:43:26 Thomas Voß wrote:
> thanks for bringing this up. Upstart user session will take care of
> single application instances and integrates with AppArmor to implement
> our confinement strategy (for >= saucy). The interesting feature from
> my pov is the accelerated applic
On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 10:02 AM, Michael Zanetti
wrote:
> On Monday 17 June 2013 07:43:26 Thomas Voß wrote:
>> thanks for bringing this up. Upstart user session will take care of
>> single application instances and integrates with AppArmor to implement
>> our confinement strategy (for >= saucy).
Hi all!
I'm sending this message both to ubuntu-devel and ubuntu-phone, in
the hope of reaching the widest interested audience as possible.
However, please reply to ubuntu-devel only.
I want to bring to your attention the existence of a project which IMHO
would be very beneficial to Ubuntu
On 06/17/2013 09:43 AM, Thomas Voß wrote:
Hey Alberto,
thanks for bringing this up. Upstart user session will take care of
single application instances and integrates with AppArmor to implement
our confinement strategy (for >= saucy). The interesting feature from
my pov is the accelerated applic
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