Re: Ubuntu Desktop on i386

2016-02-02 Thread Bryan Quigley
> Kernel support is a separate vector. E.g. in Debian it is common to > install 32-bit userspace with the 64-bit kernel. Thus using all the > CPU/kernel features, access all the memory, yet have lower memory > utilisation. Right, but depending on what we decide it will also impact how tested the

Re: Ubuntu Desktop on i386

2016-02-02 Thread Bryan Quigley
On Tue, Feb 2, 2016 at 6:27 AM, Jean-Baptiste Lallement wrote: > Hi, > > On 02/02/2016 08:58, Stefan Bader wrote: >>> >>> >My guess is that: all currently shipped hardware, with enough support >>> >to run full Unity (7) Desktop, is amd64. Tested with amd64

Re: Ubuntu Desktop on i386

2016-02-02 Thread Dimitri John Ledkov
Hi, could you please drop the HWE enablement stack out of this? HWE kernels were long provided before we started doing X/graphics stack. And they are there to enable new/latest hardware only. HWE kernels are needed on servers & clouds, it's not just desktop =) Also, whilst there are still tiny

Re: Ubuntu Desktop on i386

2016-02-02 Thread Dimitri John Ledkov
Hello, Any change that desyncs things across architectures is active work and effort. If i386 desktop images are produced, they will be produced exactly the same way they were produced to date. Spinning up point releases with or without hwe stack, was not per architecture so far, but could be

Re: Ubuntu Desktop on i386

2016-02-02 Thread Bryan Quigley
On Tue, Feb 2, 2016 at 1:28 PM, Dimitri John Ledkov wrote: > Hi, > > could you please drop the HWE enablement stack out of this? Hmm.. Let me make it clearer and drop a lot of it. > The cost of: testing, validation, release, and bandwidth to mirror it > is IMHO large. And costs

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Re: Ubuntu Desktop on i386

2016-02-02 Thread Dimitri John Ledkov
Hi, could you please drop the HWE enablement stack out of this? HWE kernels were long provided before we started doing X/graphics stack. And they are there to enable new/latest hardware only. HWE kernels are needed on servers & clouds, it's not just desktop =) Also, whilst there are still tiny

Re: Ubuntu Desktop on i386

2016-02-02 Thread Dimitri John Ledkov
On 2 February 2016 at 07:58, Stefan Bader wrote: > On 01.02.2016 23:14, Dimitri John Ledkov wrote: >> Hello, >> >> Ubuntu has an i386 port which is fully supported. >> >> There a bunch of 3rd party applications that rely on the Multi-Arch >> technology to support/use

Re: Ubuntu Desktop on i386

2016-02-02 Thread Jean-Baptiste Lallement
Hi, On 02/02/2016 08:58, Stefan Bader wrote: >My guess is that: all currently shipped hardware, with enough support >to run full Unity (7) Desktop, is amd64. Tested with amd64 kernel, and >amd64 graphics drivers. And hardware validation is done on amd64 too. > >In 2016, people with i386-only

Re: Ubuntu Desktop on i386

2016-02-02 Thread Bryan Quigley
> Kernel support is a separate vector. E.g. in Debian it is common to > install 32-bit userspace with the 64-bit kernel. Thus using all the > CPU/kernel features, access all the memory, yet have lower memory > utilisation. Right, but depending on what we decide it will also impact how tested the

Re: Ubuntu Desktop on i386

2016-02-02 Thread Bryan Quigley
On Tue, Feb 2, 2016 at 6:27 AM, Jean-Baptiste Lallement wrote: > Hi, > > On 02/02/2016 08:58, Stefan Bader wrote: >>> >>> >My guess is that: all currently shipped hardware, with enough support >>> >to run full Unity (7) Desktop, is amd64. Tested with amd64

Re: Ubuntu Desktop on i386

2016-02-02 Thread Stefan Bader
On 02.02.2016 12:27, Jean-Baptiste Lallement wrote: > Hi, > > On 02/02/2016 08:58, Stefan Bader wrote: >>> >My guess is that: all currently shipped hardware, with enough support >>> >to run full Unity (7) Desktop, is amd64. Tested with amd64 kernel, and >>> >amd64 graphics drivers. And hardware