Re: Proposal: Let's drop i386

2018-05-10 Thread Steve Langasek
On Thu, May 10, 2018 at 05:13:48PM -0400, Jeremy Bicha wrote: > On Thu, May 10, 2018 at 4:25 PM, Thomas Ward wrote: > > So with the scope of this email chain, I would like to request a > > clarification before we go forward much more with this email chain: Are > > we discussing dropping 32-bit for

Re: Proposal: Let's drop i386

2018-05-10 Thread Brian Murray
On Wed, May 09, 2018 at 04:07:23PM -0400, Bryan Quigley wrote: > Hello, > > Less and less non-amd64-compatible i386 hardware is available for consumers > to buy today from anything but computer part recycling centers. The last of > these machines were manufactured over a decade ago, and support fr

Re: Proposal: Let's drop i386

2018-05-10 Thread Jeremy Bicha
On Thu, May 10, 2018 at 4:25 PM, Thomas Ward wrote: > So with the scope of this email chain, I would like to request a > clarification before we go forward much more with this email chain: Are > we discussing dropping 32-bit for *installer images* this cycle, or are > we talking about the complete

Re: Proposal: Let's drop i386

2018-05-10 Thread Thomas Ward
All: I hate to interject this late in the thread, but I think we need to clarify what the discussion actually entails. On the #ubuntu-release IRC channel, it became clear that the purpose of this thread was not entirely clear, so we need to clarify specifically: Are we discussing dropping suppor

Re: Ubiquity NG - was Re: ubiquity migrated to git

2018-05-10 Thread Luke Faraone
On Thu, 10 May 2018 at 11:30, Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult < i...@metux.net> wrote: > On 05.05.2018 08:15, Mark Shuttleworth wrote: > Hi folks, > > Third, we have Electron, which is the HTML5 app framework used by world > class app developers. Skype, Spotify and a ton of GREAT apps on > Ubun

Re: Proposal: Let's drop i386

2018-05-10 Thread Nrbrtx
Dear Bryan and all! Please do not forget about some special hardware configurations such as Thin Clients. For example we use about 50 machines as Fat LTSP clients with Intel Celeron and Intel Atom. Their RAM is limited to 2Gb by hardware. They use Ubuntu 16.04 LTS with MATE desktop environment. E

Re: Ubiquity NG - was Re: ubiquity migrated to git

2018-05-10 Thread Chris MacNaughton
Hey Mark / Simon, > >> Third, we have Electron, which is the HTML5 app framework used by world >> class app developers. Skype, Spotify and a ton of GREAT apps on Ubuntu >> are Electron apps. > I respectfully disagree that this is the correct approach for a system > installer. With all due respect

Re: Ubiquity NG - was Re: ubiquity migrated to git

2018-05-10 Thread Bryan Quigley
On Tue, May 8, 2018 at 7:31 PM, Simon Quigley wrote: > Hello Mark, > > On 05/05/2018 01:15 AM, Mark Shuttleworth wrote: > > > First, we have Curtin, which knows how to take a description of a > > machine and do-the-right-thing; partitioning, installing, and cleaning > > up. Curtin is neat and ef

Re: Proposal: Let's drop i386

2018-05-10 Thread Walter Lapchynski
On 2018-05-09 13:07, Bryan Quigley wrote: > Machines running i386 Ubuntu which are capable of running > amd64 Ubuntu are vulnerable to the critical Meltdown vulnerability > where they wouldn't be if they were running amd64. (Some actual i386 > hardware simply isn't vulnerable, but some is). This r

Re: Ubiquity NG - was Re: ubiquity migrated to git

2018-05-10 Thread Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult
On 05.05.2018 08:15, Mark Shuttleworth wrote: Hi folks, Third, we have Electron, which is the HTML5 app framework used by world > class app developers. Skype, Spotify and a ton of GREAT apps on Ubuntu> are Electron apps. quite frankly: I wouldn't count things Skype to "world class". It belongs

Proposal: Let's drop i386

2018-05-10 Thread Bryan Quigley
Hello, Less and less non-amd64-compatible i386 hardware is available for consumers to buy today from anything but computer part recycling centers. The last of these machines were manufactured over a decade ago, and support from an increasing number of upstream projects has ended. Ubuntu and flavo