Re: Proposal: drop rails and its reverse-dependencies from Ubuntu 19.04 [Re: Maintaining language-specific module package stacks]

2019-04-10 Thread Steve Langasek
On Wed, Apr 10, 2019 at 04:27:09AM +0200, Matthias Klose wrote: > >> Regarding rails I agree with dropping it from Disco, but this is more > >> of a call for help to get it in again in Disco+1 if there is a strong > >> community around it rather than discouraging people from maintaining > >> langu

Re: Proposal: drop rails and its reverse-dependencies from Ubuntu 19.04 [Re: Maintaining language-specific module package stacks]

2019-04-09 Thread Matthias Klose
On 05.04.19 06:10, Steve Langasek wrote: > Hi Matthias, > > On Thu, Apr 04, 2019 at 02:07:50PM +0200, Matthias Klose wrote: >> On 04.04.19 01:52, Steve Langasek wrote: >>> Thanks, Robie, for kicking off this discussion. > >>> In regards to rails in particular, I would like to note that the same >

Re: Proposal: drop rails and its reverse-dependencies from Ubuntu 19.04 [Re: Maintaining language-specific module package stacks]

2019-04-09 Thread Simon Quigley
On 4/9/19 10:53 PM, Matthias Klose wrote: > On 10.04.19 05:48, Simon Quigley wrote: >> On 4/9/19 10:15 PM, Matthias Klose wrote: >>> On 10.04.19 04:37, Simon Quigley wrote: On 4/9/19 9:27 PM, Matthias Klose wrote: > rails is ready to migrate, there is no puma package in the release

Re: Proposal: drop rails and its reverse-dependencies from Ubuntu 19.04 [Re: Maintaining language-specific module package stacks]

2019-04-09 Thread Matthias Klose
On 10.04.19 05:48, Simon Quigley wrote: > On 4/9/19 10:15 PM, Matthias Klose wrote: >> On 10.04.19 04:37, Simon Quigley wrote: >>> On 4/9/19 9:27 PM, Matthias Klose wrote: rails is ready to migrate, there is no puma package in the release pocket. the failing puma autopkg test in -pr

Re: Proposal: drop rails and its reverse-dependencies from Ubuntu 19.04 [Re: Maintaining language-specific module package stacks]

2019-04-09 Thread Simon Quigley
On 4/9/19 10:15 PM, Matthias Klose wrote: > On 10.04.19 04:37, Simon Quigley wrote: >> On 4/9/19 9:27 PM, Matthias Klose wrote: >>> rails is ready to migrate, there is no puma package in the release pocket. >>> the >>> failing puma autopkg test in -proposed shouldn't be any concern. >>> >>> Filed

Re: Proposal: drop rails and its reverse-dependencies from Ubuntu 19.04 [Re: Maintaining language-specific module package stacks]

2019-04-09 Thread Matthias Klose
On 10.04.19 04:37, Simon Quigley wrote: > On 4/9/19 9:27 PM, Matthias Klose wrote: >> rails is ready to migrate, there is no puma package in the release pocket. >> the >> failing puma autopkg test in -proposed shouldn't be any concern. >> >> Filed LP: #1824049 for that. >> >> Now we could go on re

Re: Proposal: drop rails and its reverse-dependencies from Ubuntu 19.04 [Re: Maintaining language-specific module package stacks]

2019-04-09 Thread Simon Quigley
On 4/9/19 9:27 PM, Matthias Klose wrote: > rails is ready to migrate, there is no puma package in the release pocket. the > failing puma autopkg test in -proposed shouldn't be any concern. > > Filed LP: #1824049 for that. > > Now we could go on removing puma from -proposed, and then rails should

Re: Proposal: drop rails and its reverse-dependencies from Ubuntu 19.04 [Re: Maintaining language-specific module package stacks]

2019-04-09 Thread Matthias Klose
On 06.04.19 00:14, Steve Langasek wrote: > Hi Balint, > > On Thu, Apr 04, 2019 at 02:45:23PM +0200, Balint Reczey wrote: >>> This is short-sighted, and greatly influenced by the voices of >>> language-specific >>> upstream communities. As seen at several occasions at PyCon: Ask an >>> upstream

Re: Proposal: drop rails and its reverse-dependencies from Ubuntu 19.04 [Re: Maintaining language-specific module package stacks]

2019-04-05 Thread Steve Langasek
Hi Balint, On Thu, Apr 04, 2019 at 02:45:23PM +0200, Balint Reczey wrote: > > This is short-sighted, and greatly influenced by the voices of > > language-specific > > upstream communities. As seen at several occasions at PyCon: Ask an > > upstream > > community, which Linux distribution they us

Fixing proposed-migration and autopkg tests (Re: Maintaining language-specific module package stacks)

2019-04-05 Thread Matthias Klose
On 03.04.19 13:41, Robie Basak wrote: > I'd like to talk about addressing the difficulty in maintenance of long > tail language-specific stacks in Ubuntu. For example, right now > `src:rails` is stuck in disco-proposed[1]. It seems to me that we spend > a disproportionate amount of effort trying to

Re: Proposal: drop rails and its reverse-dependencies from Ubuntu 19.04 [Re: Maintaining language-specific module package stacks]

2019-04-04 Thread Steve Langasek
Hi Matthias, On Thu, Apr 04, 2019 at 02:07:50PM +0200, Matthias Klose wrote: > On 04.04.19 01:52, Steve Langasek wrote: > > Thanks, Robie, for kicking off this discussion. > > In regards to rails in particular, I would like to note that the same > > version of the rails package is present in the

Re: Proposal: drop rails and its reverse-dependencies from Ubuntu 19.04 [Re: Maintaining language-specific module package stacks]

2019-04-04 Thread Colin Watson
On Thu, Apr 04, 2019 at 02:07:50PM +0200, Matthias Klose wrote: > This is short-sighted, and greatly influenced by the voices of > language-specific > upstream communities. As seen at several occasions at PyCon: Ask an upstream > community, which Linux distribution they use (majority of hands go

Re: Proposal: drop rails and its reverse-dependencies from Ubuntu 19.04 [Re: Maintaining language-specific module package stacks]

2019-04-04 Thread Balint Reczey
Hi, On Thu, Apr 4, 2019 at 2:08 PM Matthias Klose wrote: > > On 04.04.19 01:52, Steve Langasek wrote: > > Thanks, Robie, for kicking off this discussion. > > > > In regards to rails in particular, I would like to note that the same > > version of the rails package is present in the bionic, cosmic

Re: Maintaining language-specific module package stacks

2019-04-04 Thread Matthias Klose
On 04.04.19 06:08, Seth Arnold wrote: > On Wed, Apr 03, 2019 at 12:41:04PM +0100, Robie Basak wrote: >> 1. If a language-specific package, or stack of packages, is stuck in >> proposed, and nobody is volunteering to get them migrated, then we are >> more willing to delete them from the release poc

Re: Proposal: drop rails and its reverse-dependencies from Ubuntu 19.04 [Re: Maintaining language-specific module package stacks]

2019-04-04 Thread Matthias Klose
On 04.04.19 01:52, Steve Langasek wrote: > Thanks, Robie, for kicking off this discussion. > > In regards to rails in particular, I would like to note that the same > version of the rails package is present in the bionic, cosmic, and disco > releases. Despite several uploads and syncs/merges from

Re: Maintaining language-specific module package stacks

2019-04-04 Thread Robert Collins
On Thu, 4 Apr 2019 at 00:41, Robie Basak wrote: > > I'd like to talk about addressing the difficulty in maintenance of long > tail language-specific stacks in Ubuntu. For example, right now > `src:rails` is stuck in disco-proposed[1]. It seems to me that we spend > a disproportionate amount of eff

Re: Maintaining language-specific module package stacks

2019-04-04 Thread Seth Arnold
On Wed, Apr 03, 2019 at 12:41:04PM +0100, Robie Basak wrote: > 1. If a language-specific package, or stack of packages, is stuck in > proposed, and nobody is volunteering to get them migrated, then we are > more willing to delete them from the release pocket and release without > that stack. Than

Proposal: drop rails and its reverse-dependencies from Ubuntu 19.04 [Re: Maintaining language-specific module package stacks]

2019-04-03 Thread Steve Langasek
Thanks, Robie, for kicking off this discussion. In regards to rails in particular, I would like to note that the same version of the rails package is present in the bionic, cosmic, and disco releases. Despite several uploads and syncs/merges from Debian, no new version of the rails package that h

Maintaining language-specific module package stacks

2019-04-03 Thread Robie Basak
I'd like to talk about addressing the difficulty in maintenance of long tail language-specific stacks in Ubuntu. For example, right now `src:rails` is stuck in disco-proposed[1]. It seems to me that we spend a disproportionate amount of effort trying to get this class of package migrated to the rel