I like the idea but instead of tweaking the
/var/lib/polkit-1/localauthority/10-vendor.d/com.ubuntu.desktop.pkla
line then maybe add a GUI to show what buttons the user wants to show
in the shutdown chocies.
Thanks, Benny Age 12.
On 01/02/2011, Rick Spencer wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> This email is
I'm in favor of removing hibernate for the reasons Rick expressed.
ma, 2011-01-31 kello 11:04 -0800, Rick Spencer kirjoitti:
> However, Hibernate works well for some users, so this will be a
> painful
> regression[1].
Hibernate works well on my computer, however the speed of starting from
zero,
At 2:40pm -0500 Mon, 31 Jan 2011, Bryce Harrington wrote:
On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 11:04:22AM -0800, Rick Spencer wrote:
Natty is currently NOT showing the Hibernate option in the list of
shutdown choices. This is currently an experiment, but I thought
it might be worth discussing the pros and co
Because of the fact that hibernate (if it fails) can destroy someones
work, I don't feel that the decision to remove hibernate is a bad idea
at all.
If there were time to make it work without a doubt, knowing that
people won't lose their work, then maybe at a future time it would be
plausible to b
On 01/31/2011 03:00 PM, Marc Deslauriers wrote:
Is there any data that suggests hibernate fails more often than suspend?
I was under the impression that both would be broken when laptops
weren't supported properly.
I was under the impression that it is the other way around. Suspend
requires w
On 31/01/11 19:04, Rick Spencer wrote:
The reasoning for hiding Hibernate includes:
1. It doesn't work well for many users on many machines.
2. It's very slow.
3. It's not as useful because users can just suspend.
4. The difference between hibernate and suspend is confusing.
5. There is a lot of
I'm just your average user, but I hibernate quite a lot b/c suspend doesn't
work for me on my laptop.
Thanks for your consideration.
~Dereck
On Jan 31, 2011 1:30 PM, "Brian Curtis" wrote:
> Because of the fact that hibernate (if it fails) can destroy someones
> work, I don't feel that the decisi
Kees Cook schreef op ma 31-01-2011 om 13:34 [-0800]:
> My newer laptop supports "hybrid" mode, and it will come out of
> suspend and then hibernate when the battery is critically low after
> being suspended for a long time. Extremely handy.
AFAIK "hybrid suspend" means that the OS prepares for hi
Hello all,
This email is to get some feedback and discussion about an idea under
consideration for Ubuntu in Natty.
Natty is currently NOT showing the Hibernate option in the list of
shutdown choices. This is currently an experiment, but I thought it
might be worth discussing the pros and cons on
On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 10:03 AM, Phillip Susi wrote:
> I would think the likelyhood would be the other way around. If the
> battery gas gauge is properly calibrated, you should be hibernating with
> well over 30 seconds of power left and so not running out of power. On
> the other hand, people
On 2/22/2011 6:22 AM, Chow Loong Jin wrote:
> Sounds just about as disastrous as laptops running out of battery during a
> suspend, actually. Which is not as serious as running out of battery while
> attempting to hibernate, which seems to be occurring much more often than the
> case of running out
On 2/22/2011 10:44 AM, Chow Loong Jin wrote:
> My previously mentioned point still stands though. Many people close the lid
> of
> the laptop, stick it into a bag, and start walking. Considering the I/O
> intensive nature of the hibernation process, that practice can damage the hard
> disk pretty
On 2/22/2011 11:51 AM, Chow Loong Jin wrote:
> If "a good calibration cycle" is equivalent to letting the battery completely
> burn out, then yes, I've done that.
You have to run it all the way down _from full_. Leave it charge over
night, then unplug it and let it run all the way down. If you j
On 01/31/2011 02:40 PM, Bryce Harrington wrote:
But I agree it's so painfully slow and unreliable to be unusable in its
present state. Hiding the option in the menu and declaring it
officially unsupported (but making it configurable and still callable
from pm-utils and so on, just no bug reports
On Wednesday 23,February,2011 01:22 AM, Phillip Susi wrote:
> On 2/22/2011 11:51 AM, Chow Loong Jin wrote:
>> If "a good calibration cycle" is equivalent to letting the battery completely
>> burn out, then yes, I've done that.
>
> You have to run it all the way down _from full_. Leave it charge o
On Wednesday 23,February,2011 12:26 AM, Phillip Susi wrote:
> On 2/22/2011 10:44 AM, Chow Loong Jin wrote:
>> My previously mentioned point still stands though. Many people close the lid
>> of
>> the laptop, stick it into a bag, and start walking. Considering the I/O
>> intensive nature of the hib
On Tuesday 22,February,2011 11:03 PM, Phillip Susi wrote:
> On 2/22/2011 6:22 AM, Chow Loong Jin wrote:
>> Sounds just about as disastrous as laptops running out of battery during a
>> suspend, actually. Which is not as serious as running out of battery while
>> attempting to hibernate, which seems
On Friday 18,February,2011 06:02 PM, Carlos Ribeiro wrote:
> I'm just a lurker here, I'm just a user and I don't tend to say a lot. But
> remember that:
>
> 1) Not everyone uses laptops. Desktop PCs do not have a battery and losing
> power
> during a suspend is a no-no.
Sounds just about as disa
I'm just a lurker here, I'm just a user and I don't tend to say a lot. But
remember that:
1) Not everyone uses laptops. Desktop PCs do not have a battery and losing
power during a suspend is a no-no.
2) Not everyone has a long running battery. Suspend does eat a little bit of
your battery charge,
Il giorno lun, 31/01/2011 alle 11.04 -0800, Rick Spencer ha scritto:
> Hello all,
>
> This email is to get some feedback and discussion about an idea under
> consideration for Ubuntu in Natty.
>
> Natty is currently NOT showing the Hibernate option in the list of
> shutdown choices. This is curre
On Thursday 03,February,2011 07:22 PM, Chris Jones wrote:
> Hi
>
> On 31/01/11 21:57, Steve Langasek wrote:
>> If the hardware supports resuming from suspend when the battery is
>> critically low, this Just Works with no input from Ubuntu. Then
>
> FWIW I think this is an awful idea. If my lapto
Hi
On 31/01/11 21:57, Steve Langasek wrote:
> If the hardware supports resuming from suspend when the battery is
> critically low, this Just Works with no input from Ubuntu. Then
FWIW I think this is an awful idea. If my laptop is suspended, it's in
my bag. Waking it up while it's in my bag and
Scott Ritchie [2011-01-31 17:40 -0800]:
> Shouldn't we be detecting when there's insufficient swap / disk space
> and then hiding it then?
upower already does that check, and sets the "can-hibernate" property
to False in that case (which determines UI visibility).
Martin
--
Martin Pitt
On 01/31/2011 11:51 AM, Scott Kitterman wrote:
> On Monday, January 31, 2011 02:40:36 pm Bryce Harrington wrote:
>> On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 11:04:22AM -0800, Rick Spencer wrote:
>>> Natty is currently NOT showing the Hibernate option in the list of
>>> shutdown choices. This is currently an experim
Hi,
On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 04:41:03PM -0500, Mackenzie Morgan wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 4:34 PM, Kees Cook wrote:
> > On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 04:24:11PM -0500, Mackenzie Morgan wrote:
> >> On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 3:00 PM, Marc Deslauriers
> >> wrote:
> >> > I haven't actually tried this
On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 04:41:03PM -0500, Mackenzie Morgan wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 4:34 PM, Kees Cook wrote:
> > On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 04:24:11PM -0500, Mackenzie Morgan wrote:
> >> On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 3:00 PM, Marc Deslauriers
> >> wrote:
> >> > I haven't actually tried this in a
On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 4:34 PM, Kees Cook wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 04:24:11PM -0500, Mackenzie Morgan wrote:
>> On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 3:00 PM, Marc Deslauriers
>> wrote:
>> > I haven't actually tried this in a long time, but what happens with
>> > current Ubuntu when the battery drains
On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 04:24:11PM -0500, Mackenzie Morgan wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 3:00 PM, Marc Deslauriers
> wrote:
> > I haven't actually tried this in a long time, but what happens with
> > current Ubuntu when the battery drains out while suspended?
>
> It turns off.
>
> > Does the
On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 3:00 PM, Marc Deslauriers
wrote:
> Is there any data that suggests hibernate fails more often than suspend?
> I was under the impression that both would be broken when laptops
> weren't supported properly.
I only have anecdata: 2 of my 3 laptops can suspend but not hiberna
On Mon, 2011-01-31 at 11:04 -0800, Rick Spencer wrote:
> The reasoning for hiding Hibernate includes:
> 1. It doesn't work well for many users on many machines.
> 2. It's very slow.
> 3. It's not as useful because users can just suspend.
> 4. The difference between hibernate and suspend is confusin
On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 11:04:22AM -0800, Rick Spencer wrote:
> Natty is currently NOT showing the Hibernate option in the list of
> shutdown choices. This is currently an experiment, but I thought it
> might be worth discussing the pros and cons on these lists as well.
>
> So, thoughts, discussio
On Monday, January 31, 2011 02:40:36 pm Bryce Harrington wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 11:04:22AM -0800, Rick Spencer wrote:
> > Natty is currently NOT showing the Hibernate option in the list of
> > shutdown choices. This is currently an experiment, but I thought it
> > might be worth discussin
On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 11:40:36AM -0800, Bryce Harrington wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 11:04:22AM -0800, Rick Spencer wrote:
> > Natty is currently NOT showing the Hibernate option in the list of
> > shutdown choices. This is currently an experiment, but I thought it
> > might be worth discuss
On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 11:04:22AM -0800, Rick Spencer wrote:
> Natty is currently NOT showing the Hibernate option in the list of
> shutdown choices. This is currently an experiment, but I thought it
> might be worth discussing the pros and cons on these lists as well.
>
> So, thoughts, discussio
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