Re: release cadence for Q and R

2011-06-18 Thread Timo Aaltonen
On Fri, 17 Jun 2011, Soren Hansen wrote: 2011/6/16 TImo Aaltonen : Well, the Father's Day for us Scandinavians is the second Sunday of November, so traveling the weekend from US would basically mean missing it :) Father's day in Denmark is actually June 5th. (We also don't consider Finland p

Re: release cadence for Q and R

2011-06-17 Thread Soren Hansen
2011/6/16 TImo Aaltonen : > Well, the Father's Day for us Scandinavians is the second Sunday of > November, so traveling the weekend from US would basically mean missing it > :) Father's day in Denmark is actually June 5th. (We also don't consider Finland part of Scandinavia. Perhaps these facts

Re: release cadence for Q and R

2011-06-16 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Thursday, June 16, 2011 10:28:59 AM TImo Aaltonen wrote: > On 16.06.2011 09:17, Bryce Harrington wrote: > > On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 09:41:49PM -0500, Ted Gould wrote: > >> On Wed, 2011-06-15 at 14:48 -0700, Allison Randal wrote: > >>> A few practical considerations I ran through: > >>> > >>> -

Re: release cadence for Q and R

2011-06-16 Thread TImo Aaltonen
On 16.06.2011 09:17, Bryce Harrington wrote: On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 09:41:49PM -0500, Ted Gould wrote: On Wed, 2011-06-15 at 14:48 -0700, Allison Randal wrote: A few practical considerations I ran through: - Release on Oct 11 means UDS on Oct 29-Nov 2 (the week of Halloween) - Release on Oct

Re: release cadence for Q and R

2011-06-16 Thread Gary Ekker
On Wed, 2011-06-15 at 23:17 -0700, Bryce Harrington wrote: > On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 09:41:49PM -0500, Ted Gould wrote: > > On Wed, 2011-06-15 at 14:48 -0700, Allison Randal wrote: > > > A few practical considerations I ran through: > > > > > > - Release on Oct 11 means UDS on Oct 29-Nov 2 (the we

Re: release cadence for Q and R

2011-06-15 Thread Bryce Harrington
On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 09:41:49PM -0500, Ted Gould wrote: > On Wed, 2011-06-15 at 14:48 -0700, Allison Randal wrote: > > A few practical considerations I ran through: > > > > - Release on Oct 11 means UDS on Oct 29-Nov 2 (the week of Halloween) > > - Release on Oct 18 means UDS on Nov 5-9 > > - R

Re: release cadence for Q and R

2011-06-15 Thread Martin Pitt
Allison Randal [2011-06-13 23:57 -0700]: > Q: October 18, 2012 (25 weeks) > R: April 18, 2013 (26 weeks) > > And after that follow a more-or-less 26/26 split (barring interference > by international holidays, etc). Would this change be helpful or harmful > for you? That sounds better indeed. Peop

Re: release cadence for Q and R

2011-06-15 Thread Martin Pitt
Steve Beattie [2011-06-15 15:58 -0700]: > Perhaps this is just me being naive, but with upstreams, shouldn't we > be emphasizing the Feature Freeze date rather than the actual Release > date? That's the merge window deadline they should be targeting, and > where the Ubuntu cadence should be most re

Re: release cadence for Q and R

2011-06-15 Thread Allison Randal
On 06/15/2011 07:41 PM, Ted Gould wrote: > > Does UDS have to be a fixed number of days from the release? It's been as short as 1 week after the release (no break, not much time to prepare), and as long as 6 weeks after (cuts heavily into the work of the cycle). So no hard rules, just weighing th

Re: release cadence for Q and R

2011-06-15 Thread Scott Kitterman
Ted Gould On Wed, 2011-06-15 at 14:48 -0700, Allison Randal wrote: >> A few practical considerations I ran through: >> >> - Release on Oct 11 means UDS on Oct 29-Nov 2 (the week of Halloween) >> - Release on Oct 18 means UDS on Nov 5-9 >> - Release on Oct 25 means UDS on Nov 12-17 (the week befo

Re: release cadence for Q and R

2011-06-15 Thread Ted Gould
On Wed, 2011-06-15 at 14:48 -0700, Allison Randal wrote: > A few practical considerations I ran through: > > - Release on Oct 11 means UDS on Oct 29-Nov 2 (the week of Halloween) > - Release on Oct 18 means UDS on Nov 5-9 > - Release on Oct 25 means UDS on Nov 12-17 (the week before Thanksgiving)

Re: release cadence for Q and R

2011-06-15 Thread Scott Kitterman
Micah Gersten wrote: >On 06/15/2011 05:58 PM, Steve Beattie wrote: >> On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 02:48:58PM -0700, Allison Randal wrote: >>> Very valuable perspective, thanks. To other upstreams, do you have >>> similar or opposite needs? >> Perhaps this is just me being naive, but with upstreams,

Re: release cadence for Q and R

2011-06-15 Thread Scott Kitterman
Steve Beattie wrote: >On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 02:48:58PM -0700, Allison Randal wrote: >> Very valuable perspective, thanks. To other upstreams, do you have >> similar or opposite needs? > >Perhaps this is just me being naive, but with upstreams, shouldn't we >be emphasizing the Feature Freeze d

Re: release cadence for Q and R

2011-06-15 Thread Micah Gersten
On 06/15/2011 05:58 PM, Steve Beattie wrote: > On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 02:48:58PM -0700, Allison Randal wrote: >> Very valuable perspective, thanks. To other upstreams, do you have >> similar or opposite needs? > Perhaps this is just me being naive, but with upstreams, shouldn't we > be emphasizing

Re: release cadence for Q and R

2011-06-15 Thread Bryce Harrington
On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 03:58:54PM -0700, Steve Beattie wrote: > On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 02:48:58PM -0700, Allison Randal wrote: > > Very valuable perspective, thanks. To other upstreams, do you have > > similar or opposite needs? > > Perhaps this is just me being naive, but with upstreams, should

Re: release cadence for Q and R

2011-06-15 Thread Steve Beattie
On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 02:48:58PM -0700, Allison Randal wrote: > Very valuable perspective, thanks. To other upstreams, do you have > similar or opposite needs? Perhaps this is just me being naive, but with upstreams, shouldn't we be emphasizing the Feature Freeze date rather than the actual Rele

Re: release cadence for Q and R

2011-06-15 Thread Allison Randal
On 06/15/2011 11:34 AM, Scott Kitterman wrote: > For Kubuntu, when we've been able to release at the end of the month we've > been able to release with KDE 4.X.2. For Maverick we had to release with > 4.5.1. This required significant effort on the part of Kubuntu developers to > review all the

Re: release cadence for Q and R

2011-06-15 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Tuesday, June 14, 2011 01:57:11 AM Allison Randal wrote: > At UDS-O, we talked about balancing the 6-month cycle from the current > 24/28 split towards a more even split. The general consensus was to keep > the long 28 week cycle for P, since it's an LTS, but discuss more for Q > and R. > > For

release cadence for Q and R

2011-06-13 Thread Allison Randal
At UDS-O, we talked about balancing the 6-month cycle from the current 24/28 split towards a more even split. The general consensus was to keep the long 28 week cycle for P, since it's an LTS, but discuss more for Q and R. For context, I did a little walk down memory lane: https://wiki.ubuntu.com