Re: Using standardized SI prefixes

2007-06-13 Thread Scott James Remnant
On Wed, 2007-06-13 at 12:51 +0200, Christof Krüger wrote: On Tue, 2007-06-12 at 15:52 +0100, Ian Jackson wrote: shirish writes (Using standardized SI prefixes): Please look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binary_prefix . Urgh, these things are ugly and an abomination. We should

Re: Using standardized SI prefixes

2007-06-13 Thread Alex Jones
On Wed, 2007-06-13 at 14:29 +0100, Scott James Remnant wrote: Without the binary unit to consider, when we quote a drive as 1TB, we know that it has *at least* 1,000,000,000,000 bytes available. Depending on the drive, it may have anywhere between this and 1,099,511,627,776 bytes available.

Re: Using standardized SI prefixes

2007-06-13 Thread Scott James Remnant
On Wed, 2007-06-13 at 15:01 +0100, Alex Jones wrote: 1 TB is not rounded. It means precisely 1 × 10^12 bytes, no more and no less. No it doesn't. The meaning of 1 TB depends on the context, and has always done so. Scott -- Scott James Remnant Ubuntu Development Manager [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Using standardized SI prefixes

2007-06-13 Thread Christof Krüger
Let me start with a dumb example: For a child or uninterested commoner that flying critter is simply a birdie. For those in the know exactly the same entity is a Falco peregrinus. Even if simply calling it birdie or perhaps falcon would be easier, more user friendly more understandable for

Re: Using standardized SI prefixes

2007-06-13 Thread Christof Krüger
On Wed, 2007-06-13 at 14:29 +0100, Scott James Remnant wrote: [...] And we still have many figures in both GB and GiB which are neither of the two! okay ... reading on ... [...] I see no problem with this 1TB quote being approximate. It's rounded anyway. So you don't care if it is

Re: Using standardized SI prefixes

2007-06-13 Thread Dennis Kaarsemaker
After wasting too much time reading this thread, I think the bike shed should be yellow this time. And for something at least slightly useful: This is not something Ubuntu should do, upstreams should do this. So if anyone really cares about this, poke our upstreams instead of rambling on about

Re: Using standardized SI prefixes

2007-06-13 Thread Onno Benschop
As I see it there are two ways of resolving the difference between KiB and KB. * Use Rosetta to update the text and fix the output so that it now reads KiB. This would be relatively simple to do, but not actually helpful longer term. * Fix the source code that calculates KB by

Re: Using standardized SI prefixes

2007-06-13 Thread James \Doc\ Livingston
On Wed, 2007-06-13 at 15:01 +0100, Alex Jones wrote: On Wed, 2007-06-13 at 14:29 +0100, Scott James Remnant wrote: Without the binary unit to consider, when we quote a drive as 1TB, we know that it has *at least* 1,000,000,000,000 bytes available. Depending on the drive, it may have

Re: Using standardized SI prefixes

2007-06-13 Thread James \Doc\ Livingston
On Thu, 2007-06-14 at 00:35 +0200, Christof Krüger wrote: I agree that this is the way to go. However, I think the OP wanted to suggest to have something like an official policy so that changes/patches are also created by ubuntu and eventually proposed upstream. But I guess there will be no

Re: Using standardized SI prefixes

2007-06-13 Thread Ben Finney
Ivan Jager [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Wed, 13 Jun 2007, Alex Jones wrote: 1 TB is not rounded. It means precisely 1 × 10^12 bytes, no more and no less. If they want to actually put 1.024 TB on the disk then they can say 1 TB (approx.) like any other industry (detergent, bacon, etc.).

Re: Using standardized SI prefixes

2007-06-13 Thread Alex Jones
On Thu, 2007-06-14 at 09:03 +1000, James Doc Livingston wrote: 1 TB is not rounded. It means precisely 1 × 10^12 bytes, no more and no less. If they want to actually put 1.024 TB on the disk then they can say 1 TB (approx.) like any other industry (detergent, bacon, etc.). How many other