Fwd: Is disabling ctrl-alt-backspace really such a good idea?

2009-02-10 Thread Liam Zwitser
-- Forwarded message -- From: Liam Zwitser liamzwit...@gmail.com Date: Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 9:40 AM Subject: Is disabling ctrl-alt-backspace really such a good idea? To: ubuntu-de...@lists.ubuntu.com Hello everyone, In Jaunty alpha 3 you can´t use CTRL-ALT-BACKSPACE to restart

Kernel feature requests

2009-02-10 Thread Nick Lindsell
Greetings all, Where would be the best place to ask for kernel features for 9.04 ? thanks nick L. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss

Typo in russian message translation of swapon

2009-02-10 Thread Коренберг Марк
mma...@mmarkk-desktop:/tmp$ sudo swapon -a swapon: невозможно зупустить /dev/disk/by-uuid/5066c9f1-b2a1-4a7c-b225-67f6cbb70c04: No such file or directory Опечатка зупустить - запустить The same message in translit: mma...@mmarkk-desktop:/tmp$ sudo swapon -a swapon: nevozmojno

Re: Main frozen for Alpha 4

2009-02-10 Thread Paulo Silva
i'm mostly curious about the lacking webcam support on interpid (i think no one has webcam working on interpid - specially those gspca, the most known webcam format) - do jaunty has a solution for this problem? thanks and cheers, Paulo - On 2/3/09, Steve Langasek

How do I stop this ...

2009-02-10 Thread Ink Pot
I spent some time signing up for Linux the other day and must have inadvertently signed up to receive hundreds of different emails. Much as I love Linux I do not need to receive all the various emails that are sent from a huge number of people. How do I stop these arriving each day? Thanks

Re: Ubuntu and language packs

2009-02-10 Thread Siegfried-Angel
2009/2/5 Loïc Martin loic.mart...@gmail.com: Firts, I don't understand why language-support-translations-XX install a package(s) thunderbird-locale-xx-XX when Ubuntu don't install thunderbird mail client by default... Ubuntu uses evolution as mail client, non? It's due to the way

Re: Kernel feature requests

2009-02-10 Thread Surfaz Gemon Meme
2009/1/30 Nick Lindsell nicklinds...@googlemail.com Greetings all, Where would be the best place to ask for kernel features for 9.04 ? thanks nick L. 9.04 use 2.6.28, then you can find info here: http://kernelnewbies.org/Linux_2_6_28 -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list

Re: Fwd: Is disabling ctrl-alt-backspace really such a good idea?

2009-02-10 Thread Clive Wagenaar
On Friday 16 January 2009 15:58:23 Liam Zwitser wrote: In Jaunty alpha 3 you can´t use CTRL-ALT-BACKSPACE to restart the X-server anymore. I know that some users complained about restarting the X-server, but I see a lot more, including yours truly, complaining about the fact that the shortcut

Re: Metacity as a compositing manager

2009-02-10 Thread Scott James Remnant
On Mon, 2009-02-09 at 13:39 -0800, Dylan McCall wrote: Another thing worth noting is that Ubuntu's /default/ effects via Compiz are very modest. In fact, they provide the same general features as Metacity's compositor does by default with about a quarter the standards compliance. Not true.

Re: Metacity as a compositing manager

2009-02-10 Thread Scott James Remnant
On Mon, 2009-02-09 at 17:18 -0500, Martin Owens wrote: If metacity just does the features in 'Normal' visual effects. Then you could reserve the Extra button for installing compiz, much like the codecs are installed. This is the option we discussed last week; however Metacity doesn't provide

Re: hwclock delaying boot...

2009-02-10 Thread Scott James Remnant
On Thu, 2009-01-29 at 06:54 -0700, LaMont Jones wrote: On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 12:18:09AM +, Daniel J Blueman wrote: Boot-charting jaunty-A3 [1] on my SSD system, we see both the 'hwclockfirst.sh' and 'hwclock.sh' init scripts invoke 'hwclock --hctosys --utc', being significant on the

Re: Any news on skype+pulseaudio+intel_hda_realtek ?

2009-02-10 Thread Scott James Remnant
On Sun, 2009-02-01 at 22:53 +0100, Martin Olsson wrote: PS. I think Lennart is doing a _terrific_ job; I'm hoping Ubuntu technical board understands the need to be careful about merging new stuff to avoid regressions. This experience has been quiet painful for me and I suspect there is other

Re: Any news on skype+pulseaudio+intel_hda_realtek ?

2009-02-10 Thread Null Ack
So in essence Scott, due to what you've highlighted as a lack of testing input during the pre production lifecycle phases, your suggesting that end users should endure the brunt of testing? As Ubuntu needs to move forward rapidly, being cutting edge and cant be so highly concerned with the risk of

Re: Any news on skype+pulseaudio+intel_hda_realtek ?

2009-02-10 Thread Scott James Remnant
On Wed, 2009-02-11 at 00:53 +1100, Null Ack wrote: So in essence Scott, due to what you've highlighted as a lack of testing input during the pre production lifecycle phases, your suggesting that end users should endure the brunt of testing? As Ubuntu needs to move forward rapidly, being

Re: Any news on skype+pulseaudio+intel_hda_realtek ?

2009-02-10 Thread Martin Olsson
Scott James Remnant wrote: It's not that simple, in fact I'd go as far to say that we should never adopt new things is a very dangerous position to take. Thanks for posting, James. There were many excellent points in your reply. After reading it, I do agree with you. However, I will probably

Re: Is disabling ctrl-alt-backspace really such a good idea?

2009-02-10 Thread Markus Hitter
Am 16.01.2009 um 16:58 schrieb Liam Zwitser: I assume that most people don´t want to have to restart their pc when the GUI chrashes. I assume most people don't want their GUI to crash at all. That's a serious data loss each time, after all. If your X crashes from time to time that's

Re: Fwd: Is disabling ctrl-alt-backspace really such a good idea?

2009-02-10 Thread Dylan McCall
I agree with this guy, have it on by default, noobs can use GUI to switch it off. Else, millions of users will be doing this on first boot up: alt f2 gksudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf Section ServerFlags Option DontZap no EndSection The important thing is that those millions of users

Re: Is disabling ctrl-alt-backspace really such a good idea?

2009-02-10 Thread Justin M. Wray
If your X crashes from time to time that's unfortunate for you, but a good thing for Ubuntu as you get the chance to report and track down a bug. Come on, are you kidding me? That attitude towards user-friendliness isn't going to help Ubuntu at all. Sorry but a users X issues doesn't help

Re: Any news on skype+pulseaudio+intel_hda_realtek ?

2009-02-10 Thread Markus Hitter
Am 10.02.2009 um 14:33 schrieb Scott James Remnant: On Sun, 2009-02-01 at 22:53 +0100, Martin Olsson wrote: PS. I think Lennart is doing a _terrific_ job; I'm hoping Ubuntu technical board understands the need to be careful about merging new stuff to avoid regressions. This experience

Re: Any news on skype+pulseaudio+intel_hda_realtek ?

2009-02-10 Thread Scott James Remnant
On Tue, 2009-02-10 at 16:31 +0100, Markus Hitter wrote: Undoubtly, efforts to avoid regressions are a very good thing. One possible solution is to offer the possibility to roll back to or keep the previous technology. Perhaps you want to have a look at other distros to get an idea on

Re: Fwd: Is disabling ctrl-alt-backspace really such a good idea?

2009-02-10 Thread Justin M. Wray
Even if a new user is unfamiliar with the key combination, it only takes a little education OR them doing it once. Lessons are learned hard. Should we remove all the abilities that may damage the system? Where does the line get drawn? The C-A-B is an easy thing to learn and avoid, but a

Re: Any news on skype+pulseaudio+intel_hda_realtek ?

2009-02-10 Thread Felipe Figueiredo
Scott, Scott James Remnant escreveu: For those that need utmost stability, we have Long Term Support releases every couple of years; we put extra effort into bug fixing for these, and try to avoid any large subsystem changes. and yet, pulseaudio was introduced in Hardy, the LTS release. I

Re: How do I stop this ...

2009-02-10 Thread Evan Murphy
Hi Maurice, Are these Ubuntu mailing lists, like the ubuntu-devel-discuss to whom you addressed your question? Presuming so, go to this page ( https://lists.ubuntu.com/), click on the link for any given mailing list there that you want to unsubscribe from, scroll down, enter your email address

Re: Any news on skype+pulseaudio+intel_hda_realtek ?

2009-02-10 Thread Mackenzie Morgan
On Tue, 2009-02-10 at 14:13 +, Scott James Remnant wrote: Yes, we won't get to every single bug report filed; there are many tens of thousands more users testing jaunty early than there are developers who can fix the bugs. And that leads to... If you're someone that knows C and currently

Re: Any news on skype+pulseaudio+intel_hda_realtek ?

2009-02-10 Thread Markus Hitter
Am 10.02.2009 um 16:35 schrieb Scott James Remnant: On Tue, 2009-02-10 at 16:31 +0100, Markus Hitter wrote: Undoubtly, efforts to avoid regressions are a very good thing. One possible solution is to offer the possibility to roll back to or keep the previous technology. Perhaps you want to

Re: Fwd: Is disabling ctrl-alt-backspace really such a good idea?

2009-02-10 Thread Clive Wagenaar
On Tuesday 10 February 2009 15:57:02 Justin M. Wray wrote: Even if a new user is unfamiliar with the key combination, it only takes a little education OR them doing it once. Lessons are learned hard. Should we remove all the abilities that may damage the system? Where does the line get

Re: Fwd: Is disabling ctrl-alt-backspace really such a good idea?

2009-02-10 Thread Clive Wagenaar
On Tuesday 10 February 2009 15:02:51 Dylan McCall wrote: The important thing is that those millions of users actually don't mind tinkering with xorg.conf and probably do anyway. The users we are trying to help, however, Don't Know The Key Combo Exists, or that xorg.conf exists, or that they

Re: Any news on skype+pulseaudio+intel_hda_realtek ?

2009-02-10 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Tue, 10 Feb 2009 15:35:50 + Scott James Remnant sc...@canonical.com wrote: On Tue, 2009-02-10 at 16:31 +0100, Markus Hitter wrote: Undoubtly, efforts to avoid regressions are a very good thing. One possible solution is to offer the possibility to roll back to or keep the previous

Re: Any news on skype+pulseaudio+intel_hda_realtek ?

2009-02-10 Thread Dan Chen
--- On Tue, 2/10/09, Felipe Figueiredo phils...@gmail.com wrote: I just join the choir in the PulseAudio argument, in that it was introduced (IMHO) in Ubuntu 6 months ahead of schedule. Even if it were introduced prematurely[0], there is no sense in backing it out as a default in 8.04.3. What

Re: Fwd: Is disabling ctrl-alt-backspace really such a good idea?

2009-02-10 Thread Nergar -blank-
On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 09:59, Clive Wagenaar clivewagen...@gmail.comwrote: (It is a pity this is from upstream where Arch, fedora etc will all also 'dumbed down' too) Is this true? If it is, then C-A-B should be left disabled. -- hacker != cracker -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list

Re: Fwd: Is disabling ctrl-alt-backspace really such a good idea?

2009-02-10 Thread habtool
On Tue, 2009-02-10 at 17:42 -0600, Nergar -blank- wrote: On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 09:59, Clive Wagenaar clivewagen...@gmail.com wrote: (It is a pity this is from upstream where Arch, fedora etc will all also 'dumbed down' too) Is this true? If

Re: Fwd: Is disabling ctrl-alt-backspace really such a good idea?

2009-02-10 Thread habtool
On Tue, 2009-02-10 at 17:42 -0600, Nergar -blank- wrote: On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 09:59, Clive Wagenaar clivewagen...@gmail.com wrote: (It is a pity this is from upstream where Arch, fedora etc will all also 'dumbed down' too) Is this true? If

Re: Fwd: Is disabling ctrl-alt-backspace really such a good idea?

2009-02-10 Thread John Moser
On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 10:57 AM, Justin M. Wray wray.justin.ubu...@gmail.com wrote: Even if a new user is unfamiliar with the key combination, it only takes a little education OR them doing it once. Lessons are learned hard. This is poorly conceived thinking, but switching it off is straight

Re: Fwd: Is disabling ctrl-alt-backspace really such a good idea?

2009-02-10 Thread habtool
On Tue, 2009-02-10 at 19:06 -0500, John Moser wrote: The correct solution is not dead-simple to implement, but it works: When you C-A-B, grab the whole screen and put up a confirmation dialog like gksudo does. You can't switch desktops off it (CAB happens sometimes while swapping around

Re: Fwd: Is disabling ctrl-alt-backspace really such a good idea?

2009-02-10 Thread habtool
On Tue, 2009-02-10 at 19:10 -0500, Scott Kitterman wrote: I don't particularly care for the deicision that was made, but it's been made, so there's little point rehashing it now. Scott K Cool, -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings

Re: Fwd: Is disabling ctrl-alt-backspace really such a good idea?

2009-02-10 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Tue, 10 Feb 2009 19:37:49 -0500 John Moser john.r.mo...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 7:10 PM, Scott Kitterman ubu...@kitterman.com wrote: I don't particularly care for the deicision that was made, but it's been made, so there's little point rehashing it now. Fallacy. I don't

Re: Fwd: Is disabling ctrl-alt-backspace really such a good idea?

2009-02-10 Thread John Moser
On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 8:12 PM, Scott Kitterman ubu...@kitterman.com wrote: On Tue, 10 Feb 2009 19:37:49 -0500 John Moser john.r.mo...@gmail.com wrote: This is engineering, not science. There is no single answer that is right for everyone. Engineering is science. How do you think engines

Re: Fwd: Is disabling ctrl-alt-backspace really such a good idea?

2009-02-10 Thread Mackenzie Morgan
On Tue, 2009-02-10 at 19:06 -0500, John Moser wrote: On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 10:57 AM, Justin M. Wray wray.justin.ubu...@gmail.com wrote: Even if a new user is unfamiliar with the key combination, it only takes a little education OR them doing it once. Lessons are learned hard. This is

Re: Fwd: Is disabling ctrl-alt-backspace really such a good idea?

2009-02-10 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Tue, 10 Feb 2009 20:26:06 -0500 John Moser john.r.mo...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 8:12 PM, Scott Kitterman ubu...@kitterman.com wrote: On Tue, 10 Feb 2009 19:37:49 -0500 John Moser john.r.mo...@gmail.com wrote: This is engineering, not science. There is no single answer

Re: Fwd: Is disabling ctrl-alt-backspace really such a good idea?

2009-02-10 Thread John Moser
On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 8:57 PM, Mackenzie Morgan maco...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, 2009-02-10 at 19:06 -0500, John Moser wrote: On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 10:57 AM, Justin M. Wray wray.justin.ubu...@gmail.com wrote: Even if a new user is unfamiliar with the key combination, it only takes a