Re: [rfc] improving 32bit user performance/experience...

2009-05-19 Thread Markus Hitter
Am 19.05.2009 um 01:24 schrieb Daniel J Blueman: A number of benchmarks show a significant performance loss on 32bit ubuntu over 64bit [...] Just how much user experience do we trade away for i386/i486 legacy compatibility these days? IMHO, you draw an odd conclusion here. You recognize

Re: [rfc] improving 32bit user performance/experience...

2009-05-19 Thread Dmitrijs Ledkovs
2009/5/19 Markus Hitter m...@jump-ing.de: Am 19.05.2009 um 01:24 schrieb Daniel J Blueman: A number of benchmarks show a significant performance loss on 32bit ubuntu over 64bit [...] Just how much user experience do we trade away for i386/i486 legacy compatibility these days? IMHO, you

Re: [rfc] improving 32bit user performance/experience...

2009-05-19 Thread Dmitrijs Ledkovs
2009/5/19 Alexandre Strube su...@surak.eti.br: Even though I'm performance freak I will be staying on my 32bit dual-core laptop for quite a while still. (I have access to Sparc 64bit grid ;-) to run my simulations on) Hello Dima, I guess the issue here was deprecating the -386 in favor of

Re: [rfc] improving 32bit user performance/experience...

2009-05-19 Thread Daniel J Blueman
On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 1:21 AM, John Moser john.r.mo...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 7:24 PM, Daniel J Blueman daniel.blue...@gmail.com wrote: [snip] Even if we split up Ubuntu in i486 and i686, i686 gets its most major gains from the CMOV instruction family-- a conditional MOV

Re: [rfc] improving 32bit user performance/experience...

2009-05-19 Thread John Moser
Daniel J Blueman wrote: All older VIA processors, AMD Geode procs and so on support the full i586 instruction set, which including MMX instructions and registers, which itself can provide a good win. Geodes have partial implementation, particularly they only handle a few PREFETCH

[Fwd: Re: [rfc] improving 32bit user performance/experience...]

2009-05-19 Thread Christopher Chan
---BeginMessage--- I challenge anyone to find someone using Ubuntu 8.10/9.04 on a processor which doesn't support the full i586 instruction set (eg i386/i486 or something with incomplete i586 support). i586 binaries should be only installed on actual Pentium computers. Every other

Re: [Fwd: Re: [rfc] improving 32bit user performance/experience...]

2009-05-19 Thread Christopher Chan
Mackenzie Morgan wrote: I have no idea how Christopher sent his message, but KMail claims there's nothing to quote O_o :-D I did not hit reply all and then sent it to sounder by mistake. Then I forwarded that back here. My apologies. Anyway... He said, i586 binaries should be only

Re: [Fwd: Re: [rfc] improving 32bit user performance/experience...]

2009-05-19 Thread Mackenzie Morgan
On Tuesday 19 May 2009 9:35:28 pm Christopher Chan wrote: Pentium the Original. Pentium II, III are all based on the Pentium Pro (i686) and they have a different architecture than Pentium the Original. Pentium II is basically the Pentium Pro + MMX. Pentium 4 and M use the Netburst

Re: [Fwd: Re: [rfc] improving 32bit user performance/experience...]

2009-05-19 Thread Christopher Chan
Mackenzie Morgan wrote: On Tuesday 19 May 2009 9:35:28 pm Christopher Chan wrote: Pentium the Original. Pentium II, III are all based on the Pentium Pro (i686) and they have a different architecture than Pentium the Original. Pentium II is basically the Pentium Pro + MMX. Pentium 4 and M