Re: Fallback plan if Empathy isn't ready for Karmic?

2009-06-23 Thread Martin Pitt
Hello Andrew, Andrew Sayers [2009-06-22 19:04 +0100]: > There's currently a big push to make Empathy the default IM client in > Karmic, even though the version in Jaunty still has grave issues - for > example, MSN doesn't work at all for me[1]. We don't propose to retroactively default to it in

Re: Replace PulseAudio with OSS v4?

2009-06-23 Thread Daniel Chen
On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 1:43 PM, Davyd McColl wrote: > Oddly enough, pre-PA, I've never seen any kind of lockup on the SBLive. And You're lucky. Some revisions of the EMU10k did awful, racy things. > must point out that the latency issue, whilst more pressing for audio > professionals, also steps

Re: Replace PulseAudio with OSS v4?

2009-06-23 Thread Peter Kirn
I just want to add to this, this story is a rather inaccurate portrayal of OSSv4 / ALSA: http://insanecoding.blogspot.com/2009/06/state-of-sound-in-linux-not-so-sorry.html *However* -- check comments for "dawhead." That's Paul Davis of JACK weighing in. Obviously, integration of all these things c

Ubuntu Studio meeting 26 of June 09 (01:00am UTC)

2009-06-23 Thread Luis de Bethencourt
Hello everybody, We are holding a Ubuntu Studio meeting the Thursday 26 of June 2009, at 01:00am UTC (that is the night of the 25 to the 26). Everybody is invited. Members and Developers of the Ubuntu Studio team _must_ attend. Users are suggest to do so :) Luis de Bethencourt -- Luis de Bethe

Ubuntu Add-On CD Composer

2009-06-23 Thread Alexey Balmashnov
Hi All, Have some ideas to propose and discuss, that are certainly related to the future of Ubuntu and its development. So, getting to the point, I tried to come up with a blueprint [1]. Keep in mind, that this is my first experience in this "area", currently it is more like a brain-dump, but I ho

Re: Provide a GUI option in the installer to enable popcon

2009-06-23 Thread Andrew Sayers
Caroline Ford wrote: > 2009/6/23 Andrew Sayers : >> >> IMHO, the best solution would be to enable popcon by default in >> alpha/beta versions, and as Mackenzie says, make it more prominent for >> everyone else. >> >> This could have a transformative effect on the development process with >> very li

Re: Empathy is not in line with the much discussed guidelines

2009-06-23 Thread Sense Hofstede
2009/6/23 Sense Hofstede : > 2009/6/23 Mackenzie Morgan : >> On Tuesday 23 June 2009 11:36:53 am Nicolò Chieffo wrote: >>> you should use git master before giving points ;) >> >> Where is the git repo? I'll throw today's master into my PPA. >> >> -- >> Mackenzie Morgan >> http://ubuntulinuxtipstric

Re: Empathy is not in line with the much discussed guidelines

2009-06-23 Thread Vincenzo Ciancia
On mar, 2009-06-23 at 19:13 +0200, Nicolò Chieffo wrote: > > as I was saying 2.27.3 is already old. > You need to be synchronized to a current git version of empathy, > weather it is self compiled or from an external PPA. > ah, ok so I will not test the PPA :) Didn't check the version number. >

Re: [Ayatana] Empathy is not in line with the much discussed guidelines

2009-06-23 Thread Vincenzo Ciancia
On mar, 2009-06-23 at 19:00 +0200, Sense Hofstede wrote: > > > > Hello, > > There is an PPA at . > Unfortunately it gives you 2.27.2, instead of the latest 2.27.3. It is > a start, though, and I expect 2.27.3 to be uploaded soon. Very kind of you. W

Re: Provide a GUI option in the installer to enable popcon

2009-06-23 Thread Caroline Ford
2009/6/23 Andrew Sayers : > Mackenzie Morgan wrote: >> On Tuesday 23 June 2009 1:36:21 pm Siegfried-Angel wrote: >>> If I remember correctly there is already such an option in the installer. >> >> I think he wants it to be more prominent, not hidden behind "advanced", that >> way it gets more use.

Re: Provide a GUI option in the installer to enable popcon

2009-06-23 Thread Andrew Sayers
Mackenzie Morgan wrote: > On Tuesday 23 June 2009 1:36:21 pm Siegfried-Angel wrote: >> If I remember correctly there is already such an option in the installer. > > I think he wants it to be more prominent, not hidden behind "advanced", that > way it gets more use. I wasn't aware of the feature,

Re: Empathy is not in line with the much discussed guidelines

2009-06-23 Thread Sense Hofstede
2009/6/23 Mackenzie Morgan : > On Tuesday 23 June 2009 11:36:53 am Nicolò Chieffo wrote: >> you should use git master before giving points ;) > > Where is the git repo? I'll throw today's master into my PPA. > > -- > Mackenzie Morgan > http://ubuntulinuxtipstricks.blogspot.com > apt-get moo > > --

Re: Empathy is not in line with the much discussed guidelines

2009-06-23 Thread Nicolò Chieffo
http://live.gnome.org/Empathy/Git -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss

Re: Provide a GUI option in the installer to enable popcon

2009-06-23 Thread Mackenzie Morgan
On Tuesday 23 June 2009 1:36:21 pm Siegfried-Angel wrote: > 2009/6/23 Andrew Sayers : > > [...] and > > reasonable to at least ask in final versions (even the laziest user is > > enabled to make his or her individual contribution). > > > > If just 1% of Ubuntu users tick the box, that gives us enou

Re: Empathy is not in line with the much discussed guidelines

2009-06-23 Thread Mackenzie Morgan
On Tuesday 23 June 2009 11:36:53 am Nicolò Chieffo wrote: > you should use git master before giving points ;) Where is the git repo? I'll throw today's master into my PPA. -- Mackenzie Morgan http://ubuntulinuxtipstricks.blogspot.com apt-get moo signature.asc Description: This is a digitally s

Re: Provide a GUI option in the installer to enable popcon

2009-06-23 Thread Siegfried-Angel
2009/6/23 Andrew Sayers : > [...] and > reasonable to at least ask in final versions (even the laziest user is > enabled to make his or her individual contribution). > > If just 1% of Ubuntu users tick the box, that gives us enough data to > improve Ubuntu by justifying our decisions with evidence.

Re: Empathy is not in line with the much discussed guidelines

2009-06-23 Thread Sense Hofstede
2009/6/23 Nicolò Chieffo : > as I was saying 2.27.3 is already old. > You need to be synchronized to a current git version of empathy, > weather it is self compiled or from an external PPA. > > Anyway most problems are not in empathy, but somewhere in telepathy > protocol managers (for instance the

Re: Empathy is not in line with the much discussed guidelines

2009-06-23 Thread Nicolò Chieffo
as I was saying 2.27.3 is already old. You need to be synchronized to a current git version of empathy, weather it is self compiled or from an external PPA. Anyway most problems are not in empathy, but somewhere in telepathy protocol managers (for instance the current ubuntu version of telepathy-b

Re: Empathy is not in line with the much discussed guidelines

2009-06-23 Thread Sense Hofstede
2009/6/23 Nicolò Chieffo : > On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 5:58 PM, Andrew > Sayers wrote: >> who don't feel like compiling their IM client from source every day. > > you are definitely right, anyway now empathy is actively developed, > and the only way to test it is git > > -- > Ubuntu-devel-discuss mai

Provide a GUI option in the installer to enable popcon

2009-06-23 Thread Andrew Sayers
This argument must have been had before, but recent events have prompted me to suggest it anyway: The "submit statistical information" page in "System > Administration > Software Sources > Statistics" should be presented during the installation process. The box should

Re: Empathy is not in line with the much discussed guidelines

2009-06-23 Thread Vincenzo Ciancia
On mar, 2009-06-23 at 16:58 +0100, Andrew Sayers wrote: > > Could you give us some idea of when a testable version will land in > Karmic? We've got two months left until the final decision on > whether > this becomes as significant a part of Ubuntu as Firefox or > OpenOffice, > so it would be

Re: Empathy is not in line with the much discussed guidelines

2009-06-23 Thread Vincenzo Ciancia
On mar, 2009-06-23 at 18:04 +0200, Nicolò Chieffo wrote: > > Sayers wrote: > > who don't feel like compiling their IM client from source every day. > > you are definitely right, anyway now empathy is actively developed, > and the only way to test it is git > > Nah. I already wast enough resour

Re: Fallback plan if Empathy isn't ready for Karmic?

2009-06-23 Thread Asif Youssuff
Yes, people should be filing bugs. Or they might be like me -- I had a two hour long conversation with a colleague, and *expected* that the conversation would be logged -- lo and behold, only the last 15 minutes or so of the conversation ended up being logged, and I lost a good deal of valuable co

Re: Empathy is not in line with the much discussed guidelines

2009-06-23 Thread Nicolò Chieffo
On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 5:58 PM, Andrew Sayers wrote: > who don't feel like compiling their IM client from source every day. you are definitely right, anyway now empathy is actively developed, and the only way to test it is git -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubun

Re: Empathy is not in line with the much discussed guidelines

2009-06-23 Thread Anzan Hoshin Roshi
2009/6/23 Andrew Sayers > Nicolò Chieffo wrote: > > you should use git master before giving points ;) > > Could you give us some idea of when a testable version will land in > Karmic? We've got two months left until the final decision on whether > this becomes as significant a part of Ubuntu as

Re: Empathy is not in line with the much discussed guidelines

2009-06-23 Thread Andrew Sayers
Nicolò Chieffo wrote: > you should use git master before giving points ;) Could you give us some idea of when a testable version will land in Karmic? We've got two months left until the final decision on whether this becomes as significant a part of Ubuntu as Firefox or OpenOffice, so it would

Re: Empathy is not in line with the much discussed guidelines

2009-06-23 Thread Nicolò Chieffo
you should use git master before giving points ;) -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss

Empathy is not in line with the much discussed guidelines

2009-06-23 Thread Vincenzo Ciancia
[CC-ing ayatana, if this is wrong just tell me] Today I tried empathy on my karmic testing system. Here are the scores. The last part IS VERY IMPORTANT please read it too. Don't thake my comments as angry, I'm just in a hurry. +1 The first time I launch it, it offers me to import accounts from

Re: Fallback plan if Empathy isn't ready for Karmic?

2009-06-23 Thread Jordan Mantha
On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 11:04 AM, Andrew Sayers wrote: > There's currently a big push to make Empathy the default IM client in > Karmic, even though the version in Jaunty still has grave issues - for > example, MSN doesn't work at all for me[1]. I'm assuming there will be a lot of upstream resourc

Re: gparted, ubiquity and other packages left behind by karmic a2 installer

2009-06-23 Thread Asif Youssuff
I also saw this issue earlier today, after installing from the Karmic 64 LiveCD (used USB creator, so it was actually LiveUSB). Here's a bug report for the crashing in LiveCD phenomenon: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/391162 -Asif On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 4:44 PM, Nathan

Re: Replace Tomboy with Gnote?

2009-06-23 Thread Aurélien Naldi
On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 3:44 PM, Mackenzie Morgan wrote: > On Tuesday 23 June 2009 10:37:15 am Vincenzo Ciancia wrote: >> Il giorno dom, 21/06/2009 alle 19.17 -0400, Mackenzie Morgan ha scritto: >> > >> > Yeah uh...it isn't real LaTeX. Take the source you can view in LyX, >> > save it, >> > and run

Re: Replace Tomboy with Gnote?

2009-06-23 Thread Mackenzie Morgan
On Tuesday 23 June 2009 10:37:15 am Vincenzo Ciancia wrote: > Il giorno dom, 21/06/2009 alle 19.17 -0400, Mackenzie Morgan ha scritto: > > > > Yeah uh...it isn't real LaTeX. Take the source you can view in LyX, > > save it, > > and run it through the "latex" command and watch it fail utterly. >

Re: Replace Tomboy with Gnote?

2009-06-23 Thread Vincenzo Ciancia
Il giorno dom, 21/06/2009 alle 19.17 -0400, Mackenzie Morgan ha scritto: > > Yeah uh...it isn't real LaTeX. Take the source you can view in LyX, > save it, > and run it through the "latex" command and watch it fail utterly. Could you provide an example file? I usually cut and paste tables from l

Re: Fallback plan if Empathy isn't ready for Karmic?

2009-06-23 Thread Vincenzo Ciancia
Il giorno lun, 22/06/2009 alle 19.04 +0100, Andrew Sayers ha scritto: > > > The plan is to make sure that these bugs are all fixed in time for > Karmic, but what's the backup plan if there are still showstoppers > when > the release starts to get closer? More precisely, when, where and > how

Re: [Ubuntu-gaming] AMD/ATI vs NVIDIA vs Intel

2009-06-23 Thread Vincenzo Ciancia
Il giorno dom, 21/06/2009 alle 20.04 -0400, Danny Piccirillo ha scritto: > > > So, who hates intel? They seem to have done fairly well by > linux, compared to most firms. My experience with intel is that they bring the linux drivers to the same features of the win

Re: Remove F-Spot from the LiveCD

2009-06-23 Thread Matthew Paul Thomas
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Sense Hofstede wrote on 22/06/09 15:26: >... > Including more Mono applications would justify placing Mono on the > LiveCD, but we should ask ourselves what's more important: supporting > Mono applications on the LiveCD or offering proper localisation