Re: Firefox newly insists on showing an EULA

2008-09-16 Thread Przemysław Kulczycki
Markus Hitter pisze: Hello all, readers of this list might be interested in the discussion here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox-3.0/+bug/269656/ It's about a new requirement from the Mozilla Foundation, how End User License Agreements (EULAs) are against the spirit

Re: Firefox newly insists on showing an EULA

2008-09-16 Thread Przemysław Kulczycki
Also see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_software_rebranding http://lwn.net/Articles/118268/ https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=439604 http://blog.lizardwrangler.com/2008/09/15/ubuntu-firefox-and-license-issues/

Re: Firefox newly insists on showing an EULA

2008-09-16 Thread Felix Miata
On 2008/09/16 19:43 (GMT+0200) Przemys?aw Kulczycki composed: The browser's startpage could explain that this browser is based on Firefox and works just like Firefox. Browser's user agent string could be amended with (based on Firefox) to make sure that sites created by lame webmasters (using

Re: Firefox newly insists on showing an EULA

2008-09-16 Thread Nergar
I think we discussed enough, we should start taking action. We are already at Alpha 6 freeze state and clearly most of us don't want any stinking EULAs popping when starting our free software. We must have this sorted out before 8.10 Beta comes out. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list

Firefox newly insists on showing an EULA

2008-09-15 Thread Markus Hitter
Hello all, readers of this list might be interested in the discussion here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox-3.0/+bug/269656/ It's about a new requirement from the Mozilla Foundation, how End User License Agreements (EULAs) are against the spirit of free software and the

Re: Firefox newly insists on showing an EULA

2008-09-15 Thread Michael Casadevall
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Linux is trademarked, yet I see no EULA for it. Trademarks can be free depending on how they're licensed. I already believe Firefox's no modifcations policy is already fairly bad, and now we need an EULA on top of being restricted on changing it? Bah,

Re: Firefox newly insists on showing an EULA

2008-09-15 Thread Remco
One compelling reason (which I also posted on that launchpad thread) not to keep on using Firefox is that Mozilla can hurt Ubuntu with this stuff. They can demand all kinds of stuff way too late in Ubuntu's development cycle, with no time for Ubuntu to properly respond to it. The web browser is a

Re: Firefox newly insists on showing an EULA

2008-09-15 Thread Morgan Collett
On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 13:12, Peteris Krisjanis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi! IMHO, several ways to handle that: 1) Cave in to Mozilla request (Trademarks are trademarks. They are bitch and their protection are somehow incompatible with free software. But that's life) 2) Provide Iceweasel

Re: Firefox newly insists on showing an EULA

2008-09-15 Thread Peteris Krisjanis
Disclaimer: I'm not trademark lawyer, but do know people with some professional insight in this field. Linux is trademarked, yet I see no EULA for it. And it was one of reasons why Linux foundation almost lost trademark. When they tried to enforce it properly, they heard all the same cries,

Re: Firefox newly insists on showing an EULA

2008-09-15 Thread Paul Gevers
Almost every industry product we know has some sort of a trademark. Yet, when you buy paper towels, grocery, shoes, ... nowhere you have to agree to such an agreement. Not even when buying high-level items like cars. This is about the ability to distribute, not about the private at the

Re: Firefox newly insists on showing an EULA

2008-09-15 Thread Mackenzie Morgan
On Mon, 2008-09-15 at 14:01 +0200, Markus Hitter wrote: Am 15.09.2008 um 13:45 schrieb Peteris Krisjanis: trademarks are trademarks. They must be enforced and only way for owners to control them is agreements. Almost every industry product we know has some sort of a trademark. Yet,

Re: Firefox newly insists on showing an EULA

2008-09-15 Thread Remco
Giving out CDs for an early celebration of Software Freedom Day yesterday, we were asked *very* often if Ubuntu had a web browser. Yes, Firefox Oh good, I use that on Windows. #1: Same response, and they're used to click-throughs anyway #2: We'd have to explain all the trademark stuff and

Re: Firefox newly insists on showing an EULA

2008-09-15 Thread Peteris Krisjanis
I don't really like #3 because while I recognize that Webkit is a *great* rendering engine, Firefox has a monopoly on extensions. Hrm, maybe there needs to be some mass attempt at migrating FF extensions to Epiphany. By the way, I thought the same, and then I decided to check out Epiphany -

Re: Firefox newly insists on showing an EULA

2008-09-15 Thread Marcin 'Qrczak' Kowalczyk
2008/9/15 Neal McBurnett [EMAIL PROTECTED]: But first I'd like to actually read the EULA, and I'm surprised no one has posted the text of it (as far as I have found) to this discussion or to the bug. The link to it was in the bug: http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/legal/eula/firefox3-en.html --

Re: Firefox newly insists on showing an EULA

2008-09-15 Thread Neal McBurnett
On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 02:12:52PM +0300, Peteris Krisjanis wrote: IMHO, several ways to handle that: 1) Cave in to Mozilla request (Trademarks are trademarks. They are bitch and their protection are somehow incompatible with free software. But that's life) 2) Provide Iceweasel and rebrand it

Re: Firefox newly insists on showing an EULA

2008-09-15 Thread Mackenzie Morgan
On Mon, 2008-09-15 at 14:12 +0300, Peteris Krisjanis wrote: Hi! IMHO, several ways to handle that: 1) Cave in to Mozilla request (Trademarks are trademarks. They are bitch and their protection are somehow incompatible with free software. But that's life) 2) Provide Iceweasel and rebrand it

Re: Firefox newly insists on showing an EULA

2008-09-15 Thread Onno Benschop
On 15/09/08 18:52, Markus Hitter wrote: Hello all, readers of this list might be interested in the discussion here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox-3.0/+bug/269656/ It's about a new requirement from the Mozilla Foundation, how End User License Agreements (EULAs) are