Re: How shall I report a bug in the .deb packaging itself?

Ralf Mardorf: ls -hAl/var/log/apt/ Thank you, that is very useful. Using the GNOME System Log application I searched for something like this before starting this conversation, but the apt logs were not listed there. Do you thing this should be reported as a bug? smime.p7s Description:

Re: How shall I report a bug in the .deb packaging itself?

Alberto Salvia Novella writes: > The problem seems to be that the package manager does not make its basic > functionality, which is to make clear for users which packages they wish > to remove. > For me it seems a minor problem that a console tool could be removed, >

Re: How shall I report a bug in the .deb packaging itself?

Russ Allbery: > I think it's correctly doing what it should in the situation > described in this thread. Okay, so what I said is what I saw. And deciding if it is true or not has always been your choice. Ralf Mardorf: > Seemingly you can't provide new arguments, so you should expect to > get

Re: How shall I report a bug in the .deb packaging itself?

On Mon, 28 Dec 2015 19:03:16 +0100, Alberto Salvia Novella wrote: >Ralf Mardorf: > > Seemingly you can't provide new arguments, so you should expect to > > get the same replies and perhaps some subscribers consider it as > > trolling or spamming, so that they don't read mails of this thread > >

Re: How shall I report a bug in the .deb packaging itself?

David Kalnischkies: > Your complain was after all that apt declares some packages you > consider unused as used... The problem seems to be that the package manager does not make its basic functionality, which is to make clear for users which packages they wish to remove. For me it seems a

Re: How shall I report a bug in the .deb packaging itself?

Hi Alberto, seemingly you can't provide new arguments, so you should expect to get the same replies and perhaps some subscribers consider it as trolling or spamming, so that they don't read mails of this thread anymore. On Sun, 27 Dec 2015 15:22:02 +0100, Alberto Salvia Novella wrote:

Re: How shall I report a bug in the .deb packaging itself?

On Thu, Dec 24, 2015 at 01:50:45AM +0100, Alberto Salvia Novella wrote: > Luis Felipe Tabera Alonso: > David Kalnischkies: > > It is not a good idea to perform autoremoves unattended for situations > > in which you have installed A (gui) depends B (console) depends > > C (data), but later decide

Re: How shall I report a bug in the .deb packaging itself?

Ralf Mardorf: > Do you think it would be a good idea if apt would provide a checklist > that ask the user for each command 20 or 30 questions before it > continues? It could be that, instead of asking if to proceed, to write down packages to exclude. Alberto Salvia Novella: > What should

Re: How shall I report a bug in the .deb packaging itself?

Hi Alberto, On Thu, 24 Dec 2015 01:50:45 +0100, Alberto Salvia Novella wrote: >What if: >- "remove" removes a package and all the unused depends, recommends >and suggests. >- but before removing asks the user to exclude packages from the >removal, and from that moment marks those as installed by

Re: How shall I report a bug in the .deb packaging itself?

Luis Felipe Tabera Alonso: aptitude why $packagename Oh! this is very useful! David Kalnischkies: > It is not a good idea to perform autoremoves unattended for situations > in which you have installed A (gui) depends B (console) depends > C (data), but later decide that you don't like A.

Re: How shall I report a bug in the .deb packaging itself?

On 24/12/15 00:50, Alberto Salvia Novella wrote: [snip] Imagine that we have the perfect way to innovate. That we have decided slowly along with other people, the change is small, we have put it on test as prototype, and the outcome seems to be very positive. Would that make us get rid of

Re: How shall I report a bug in the .deb packaging itself?

Le mardi 22 décembre 2015, 00:35:25 Robie Basak a écrit : > I had always assumed that this is the risk you take by using autoremove > and thus you need to pay attention to what you autoremove, which is for > example why unattended-upgrades is sensible by not doing it by default. Excepted that

Re: How shall I report a bug in the .deb packaging itself?

On Tue, Dec 22, 2015 at 12:35:25AM +, Robie Basak wrote: > On Mon, Dec 21, 2015 at 03:08:51PM +0100, Julian Andres Klode wrote: > > I'll repeat this one last time for you: If A suggests B, and you > > install B in some way, you may have come to rely on the fact that A is > > extended by B on

Re: How shall I report a bug in the .deb packaging itself?

On Mon, Dec 21, 2015 at 04:10:31PM +0100, Alberto Salvia Novella wrote: > Julian Andres Klode: > > If A suggests B, and you install B in some way, you may have come to > > rely on the fact that A is extended by B on your system. > > Automatically removing B could thus cause an unexpected loss of >

Re: How shall I report a bug in the .deb packaging itself?

On Mon, Dec 21, 2015 at 04:37:40PM +0100, Alberto Salvia Novella wrote: > Julian Andres Klode: > > Usually it is a Suggests from another existing package. > > If I run "apt-cache depends gnome-shell", it says: > Recommends: gdm > Breaks: gdm > > Is this normal, having a package both as

Re: How shall I report a bug in the .deb packaging itself?

On 21 December 2015 at 14:59, Alberto Salvia Novella wrote: > Julian Andres Klode: >> >> autoremove will remove all packages that no other package >> PreDepends, Depends, Recommends, or Suggests. > > > Probably the problem is the latest. > > Since I did not install other

Re: How shall I report a bug in the .deb packaging itself?

On Mon, 2015-12-21 at 17:03 +0100, Julian Andres Klode wrote: > On Mon, Dec 21, 2015 at 04:57:39PM +0100, Abou Al Montacir wrote: > > Hi Julian > > > > On Mon, 2015-12-21 at 16:13 +0100, Julian Andres Klode wrote: > > > I also wrote I am thinking about adding some kind of apt revert command > > >

Re: How shall I report a bug in the .deb packaging itself?

On lunes, 21 de diciembre de 2015 16:10:31 (CET) Alberto Salvia Novella wrote: > Julian Andres Klode: > > If A suggests B, and you install B in some way, you may have come to > > rely on the fact that A is extended by B on your system. > > Automatically removing B could thus cause an unexpected

Re: How shall I report a bug in the .deb packaging itself?

On Mon, Dec 21, 2015 at 04:57:39PM +0100, Abou Al Montacir wrote: > Hi Julian > > On Mon, 2015-12-21 at 16:13 +0100, Julian Andres Klode wrote: > > I also wrote I am thinking about adding some kind of apt revert command > > that allows you to revert entries from apt's history.log, which would

Re: How shall I report a bug in the .deb packaging itself?

Hi, Quoting Julian Andres Klode (2015-12-21 13:43:41) > On Mon, Dec 21, 2015 at 01:35:21PM +0100, Alberto Salvia Novella wrote: > > Julian Andres Klode: > > > It just happens that some of the newly installed dependencies are also > > > Suggested by other installed packages, and thus are not

Re: How shall I report a bug in the .deb packaging itself?

On Mon, Dec 21, 2015 at 03:08:51PM +0100, Julian Andres Klode wrote: > I'll repeat this one last time for you: If A suggests B, and you > install B in some way, you may have come to rely on the fact that A is > extended by B on your system. Automatically removing B could thus > cause an unexpected

Re: How shall I report a bug in the .deb packaging itself?

On Tue, 22 Dec 2015 00:35:25 +, Robie Basak wrote: >On Mon, Dec 21, 2015 at 03:08:51PM +0100, Julian Andres Klode wrote: >> I'll repeat this one last time for you: If A suggests B, and you >> install B in some way, you may have come to rely on the fact that A >> is extended by B on your

Re: How shall I report a bug in the .deb packaging itself?

hi, Am Montag, den 21.12.2015, 13:35 +0100 schrieb Alberto Salvia Novella: > Julian Andres Klode: > > It just happens that some of the newly installed dependencies are > also > > Suggested by other installed packages, and thus are not removed, > > because you might have installed the package in

Re: How shall I report a bug in the .deb packaging itself?

Oliver Grawert: well, there is a very simple solution, do not use -y :) > also, an "average user" as describer on the papercuts wiki should > never even have to use apt or a terminal. Isn't that the same as installing a package from the Software Center? smime.p7s Description: S/MIME

Re: How shall I report a bug in the .deb packaging itself?

Julian Andres Klode: autoremove will remove all packages that no other package PreDepends, Depends, Recommends, or Suggests. Probably the problem is the latest. Since I did not install other package apart from cortina, probably what is holding back gdm is a package already present in the

Re: How shall I report a bug in the .deb packaging itself?

Julian Andres Klode: > It just happens that some of the newly installed dependencies are also > Suggested by other installed packages, and thus are not removed, > because you might have installed the package in order to extend the > functionality of another installed package suggesting it. sudo

Re: How shall I report a bug in the .deb packaging itself?

Julian Andres Klode: > If A suggests B, and you install B in some way, you may have come to > rely on the fact that A is extended by B on your system. > Automatically removing B could thus cause an unexpected loss of > functionality. The point I do not understand is why after removing A, being A

Re: How shall I report a bug in the .deb packaging itself?

Julian Andres Klode: > Usually it is a Suggests from another existing package. If I run "apt-cache depends gnome-shell", it says: Recommends: gdm Breaks: gdm Is this normal, having a package both as recommended and as breaking? smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature --

Re: How shall I report a bug in the .deb packaging itself?

Julian Andres Klode: It does not show you version numbers. gnome-shell recommends gdm, because it works best with it, and breaks old gdm versions it does not work with. Okay. Thank you. smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list