Re: Minutes from the Technical Board, 2008-07-15

2008-08-20 Thread Soren Hansen
On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 06:43:16AM +0800, Onno Benschop wrote: If you recall the google research about hard drive failures you will have remembered that SMART is no indication of impending failure. And if you recall the very same research, you will have remembered that SMART *does* indicate of

Re: Minutes from the Technical Board, 2008-07-15

2008-08-20 Thread Onno Benschop
On 20/08/08 16:40, Soren Hansen wrote: On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 06:43:16AM +0800, Onno Benschop wrote: If you recall the google research about hard drive failures you will have remembered that SMART is no indication of impending failure. And if you recall the very same research, you

Re: Minutes from the Technical Board, 2008-07-15

2008-08-20 Thread Soren Hansen
On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 05:05:25PM +0800, Onno Benschop wrote: If you recall the google research about hard drive failures you will have remembered that SMART is no indication of impending failure. And if you recall the very same research, you will have remembered that SMART *does* indicate of

Re: Minutes from the Technical Board, 2008-07-15

2008-08-19 Thread Jerry
Agree. For example, autofsck should not run when * laptop is booted by using battery/low battery; * mount time and unmount time are equal; Thanks, Jerry. On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 5:09 AM, Bryce Harrington [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 11:52:25AM +0100, Matt Zimmerman

Re: Minutes from the Technical Board, 2008-07-15

2008-08-19 Thread Marcos Hernández
Hi everybody! I don't know much about ext filesystems, so please be patient if this suggestion is a little silly. I think that would be best if ubuntu performs fsck only when something out of normal happens (a hard shut down, for instance). I guess that if the system works fine, so it will the

Re: Minutes from the Technical Board, 2008-07-15

2008-08-19 Thread Niels Uiterwijk
I agree with Bryce here, another addition would be, after a large/lots of updates. Niels On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 11:09 PM, Bryce Harrington [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 11:52:25AM +0100, Matt Zimmerman wrote: == Filesystem checking / AutoFsck == A suggestion was made

Re: Minutes from the Technical Board, 2008-07-15

2008-08-19 Thread Andrew Sayers
I think there's an elephant in this room - why are we running fsck at all? a) If it's to detect corruption due to software errors, fsck should be linked up to apport, and reported (semi-)automatically. b) If it's to check for dying hardware[1], it can be disabled for all but the oldest hard

Re: Minutes from the Technical Board, 2008-07-15

2008-08-19 Thread Mackenzie Morgan
On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 5:32 PM, Andrew Sayers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think there's an elephant in this room - why are we running fsck at all? b) If it's to check for dying hardware[1], it can be disabled for all but the oldest hard drives[2], and even then is better replaced with a

Re: Minutes from the Technical Board, 2008-07-15

2008-08-19 Thread Onno Benschop
On 20/08/08 05:39, Mackenzie Morgan wrote: On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 5:32 PM, Andrew Sayers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think there's an elephant in this room - why are we running fsck at all? b) If it's to check for dying hardware[1], it can be disabled for all but the oldest hard

Re: Minutes from the Technical Board, 2008-07-15

2008-08-19 Thread Onno Benschop
On 20/08/08 06:43, Onno Benschop wrote: On 20/08/08 05:39, Mackenzie Morgan wrote: On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 5:32 PM, Andrew Sayers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think there's an elephant in this room - why are we running fsck at all? b) If it's to check for dying hardware[1], it

Re: Minutes from the Technical Board, 2008-07-15

2008-08-18 Thread Shaun Reich
I think that there should also be an option to not require a prompt before shutting down, as this is quite annoying. On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 5:09 PM, Bryce Harrington [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 11:52:25AM +0100, Matt Zimmerman wrote: == Filesystem checking / AutoFsck ==

Re: Minutes from the Technical Board, 2008-07-15

2008-08-18 Thread mike corn
Why not move this process to shutdown time instead of boot time? The user could walk away and let the computer finish checking the file systems then shut down. If an error is detected, then the check would be repeated at the next boot up. Bryce Harrington wrote: On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at

Re: Minutes from the Technical Board, 2008-07-15

2008-08-18 Thread Uwe Hauck
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Bryce Harrington wrote: | I find the autofsck to be most notable on my laptop, perhaps because I | reboot it more frequently, and because it usually chooses to autofsck at | some inopportune time. I don't know if laptop harddrives need fsck more |

Re: Minutes from the Technical Board, 2008-07-15

2008-08-18 Thread Jesse Ruffin
On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 11:52:25AM +0100, Matt Zimmerman wrote: == Filesystem checking / AutoFsck == A suggestion was made to the technical board that Ubuntu could be smarter about how and when it performs filesystem integrity checks (fsck). Decision: This should be discussed more widely in

Re: Minutes from the Technical Board, 2008-07-15

2008-08-12 Thread Bram Neijt
Hi Bryce, I mostly suspend my laptop, so shutting it down and rebooting is not really done that often. Which means that I hit the day count more then I hit the mount count. If you want, you can change the mount based counting to a higher number with tune2fs (see the -c option in man tune2fs). So

Re: Minutes from the Technical Board, 2008-07-15

2008-08-11 Thread Bryce Harrington
On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 11:52:25AM +0100, Matt Zimmerman wrote: == Filesystem checking / AutoFsck == A suggestion was made to the technical board that Ubuntu could be smarter about how and when it performs filesystem integrity checks (fsck). Decision: This should be discussed more widely