On Sun, Nov 25, 2007 at 01:46:03AM +, (``-_-´´) -- Fernando wrote:
> On Monday 19 November 2007 12:41:35 Sebastian Heinlein wrote:
> > Am Sonntag, den 18.11.2007, 08:34 -0500 schrieb Patrick:
> > > I see it now. I never noticed it there. Is there any reason it cannot
> > > also be placed under
On Thursday 15 November 2007 03:30:06 Patrick wrote:
> Hi Onno and list
> Let me try one more time.
>
> I think these topics are "package centric"
> 1)Question=I want to install a cd burning utility
> Answer=Synaptic multi-media section or type in cd burning utility in
> Synaptic search bar.
>
>
On Monday 19 November 2007 12:41:35 Sebastian Heinlein wrote:
> Am Sonntag, den 18.11.2007, 08:34 -0500 schrieb Patrick:
> > I see it now. I never noticed it there. Is there any reason it cannot
> > also be placed under the right click too?-Patrick
>
> I don't think that this is a very often need
Onno Benschop wrote:
> All of what you write exists:
> * You can view tasks in Synaptic by choosing Edit -> Mark Packages by
> Task...
I've been using Ubuntu since 6.10 and didnt know about this, lol
I've used a similar command from the shell, but never from the Synaptic.
Thanks, will com in
Am 21.11.2007 um 02:52 schrieb Jan Claeys:
> but an easy-to-use GUI will often make it easier to have an
> insecure system as
> a result. Preventing this from happening is maybe possible, but
> certainly not easy!
I don't buy this argument. Well made GUI's contain a lot of
knowledge, more
> It uses the web because we shouldn't require servers to have the huge
> set of (potentially dangerous) packages that are needed for X11 and
> Gnome or KDE.
Those web configuration tools though, they're a bit podgy and the
designers tend not to have the widgets they need to do a good enough
job.
ve to search on the
> net for this information. I don't really know what to call it but
> perhaps a Q & A / interactive tutorial utility could provide quick
> guidance to new users. It could help them through these topics
> quickly and we could put our best foot forward.
Op maandag 19-11-2007 om 19:50 uur [tijdzone -0500], schreef Patrick:
> The problem is it's not obvious to the first time user. I could carry
> out usability studies with friends and family but really I don't think
> anyone is ready to set up an nfs, ftp or samba server in the first
> 10-20 hours.
Am Dienstag, den 20.11.2007, 08:51 -0500 schrieb Patrick:
> Hi Sebastian
>
> That sounds like a good idea!
>
> I would like to help. Do you have a rough estimate as to when the web
> based Synaptic will be ready?
No, at first it needs some skilled web developers :)
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That sounds like a good idea!
I would like to help. Do you have a rough estimate as to when the web
based Synaptic will be ready?
Sebastian Heinlein wrote:
> Am Montag, den 19.11.2007, 22:47 -0500 schrieb Patrick:
>
>> The post installation scripts should be divided up between
>
Am Montag, den 19.11.2007, 22:47 -0500 schrieb Patrick:
>
> The post installation scripts should be divided up between
> programmers
> and tutorial writers.
Post-installation scripts should not contain any things that are not
related to installing the package, since they have to robust.
Further
Patrick wrote:
> indeed I am unsure of how to contribute.
>
> It would seem that I could take the prize for both the longest and most
> poorly written emails as the feedback I am receiving is disconnected
> from the message I was sending.
>
> To summarize my long winded emails:
>
> Ubuntu is the
indeed I am unsure of how to contribute.
It would seem that I could take the prize for both the longest and most
poorly written emails as the feedback I am receiving is disconnected
from the message I was sending.
To summarize my long winded emails:
Ubuntu is the ultimate OS for the power user
On Nov 20, 2007, at 1:50 PM, Patrick wrote:
...
We should be putting forth what Ubuntu can do that Windows cannot. It
is the ability to set up so many services and customize so many things
that makes it amazing. Most of this still needs to be done at the
terminal though. People need to be able
-Ubuntu documentation is so much better then it used to be, I don't
think it is lacking in terms of the casual user.
-I am not having trouble searching for documentation.
-These usability tests are nice but not quite applicable to the concerns
I have.
-
On Nov 20, 2007, at 2:19 AM, Patrick wrote:
...
It would be much better if the "configure" option would take care of
this and perhaps the "help and support" area search results provided
specific links to useful Ubuntu specific online information.
I am disappointed that my efforts have come to no
I spent several hours last week writing emails regarding making
improvements to how packages are configured and how tutorials are done.
I realize now that writing "helper scripts" that would be a hybrid of an
installation script and a tutorial might not be the best way to get the
job done.
It
Am Sonntag, den 18.11.2007, 08:34 -0500 schrieb Patrick:
> I see it now. I never noticed it there. Is there any reason it cannot
> also be placed under the right click too?-Patrick
I don't think that this is a very often needed feature. We want to keep
the menu short.
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also be placed under the right click too?-Patrick
Sebastian Heinlein wrote:
> Am Donnerstag, den 15.11.2007, 11:36 +0900 schrieb Onno Benschop:
>
>> All of what you write exists:
>>
>
>
>> * To reconfigure a pack
Am Mittwoch, den 14.11.2007, 06:47 -0500 schrieb Patrick:
> #!/bin/bash
>
> echo "we need to do such and such, here are some options to try, blah,
> blah, blah etc"
>
> sudo gedit /etc/exports
>
> echo "okay now we need to do this because blah blah"
>
> sudo exportfs -ra
>
> sudo /etc/init.d
Am Donnerstag, den 15.11.2007, 11:36 +0900 schrieb Onno Benschop:
> All of what you write exists:
> * To reconfigure a package: sudo dpkg-reconfigure foobar, perhaps it
> would be useful to add this functionality to Synaptic.
This feature exists already for years. Select a corresponding
On 15/11/07 22:55, Patrick wrote:
> Has Canonical carried out studies with new users of different technical
> abilities? This might be a good thing to do. After a Newbie installs
> Ubuntu where do they go first? How is their experience in the first
> hour. To woe Windows users I think the first
but I don't see
>> an easy solution for the new user for the configuration centric"
>> questions. Having the dpkg-reconfigure option built into Synaptic would
>> help a lot but it would not solve question #4. A utility to provide
>> answers and helper scripts for c
How much of all this tutorial stuff is already in the man pages?
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On 11/15/07, Sarah Hobbs wrote:
> How much of all this tutorial stuff is already in the man pages?
The manual pages contain vast amounts of detail, but I'm not sure
they provide the overview for some of the more general questions.
Further, I'm fairly certain that most complex tasks are not wel
of
this to happen. It should not happen in the man pages and it would be
nice if people did not have to search on the net for this information. I
don't really know what to call it but perhaps a Q & A / interactive
tutorial utility could provide quick guidance to new users. It could
he
All of what you write exists:
* A package that is not installed but run from the bash prompt is
captured with a comment like "The program 'foobar' is currently
not installed. You can install it by typing: sudo apt-get install
foobar"
This functionality should be instal
On 15/11/07 09:07, Patrick wrote:
> Hi Onno and List
>
> I am not sure I have made my intentions clear. First of all, Ubuntu's
> package management system is easier and less hazardous then a
> windoze-one-click-installer program, my helper script idea was just to
> focus on the configuration and
I see where you are going with this and I will make a bug report if I
encounter this sort of trouble again.
I hope I am not "beating this to death now" but I need to continue.
Being a dumbass I have another perspective to offer. Early on I
encountered these post installation questions but I did
battle the whole time and there are probably more
people like me then there are like the people on this list. Although
Linux is growing in popularity it is a slow burn. It is a great OS and
it should be a raging fire by now. Vista sales are in the billions, it's
just not right.
We need to put
On 15/11/07 02:51, Patrick wrote:
> Hi Eoin and list
>
> I agree that shell scripts are not for beginners. Really I think Ubuntu
> is already really good for the beginners, although a different bred of
> OS , I don't see what is more difficult then let's say windoze. However
> for a beginner adm
Hi Eoin and list
I agree that shell scripts are not for beginners. Really I think Ubuntu
is already really good for the beginners, although a different bred of
OS , I don't see what is more difficult then let's say windoze. However
for a beginner administrator, let's say someone who is trying t
On 14/11/2007, Patrick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> So my suggestion is a
> halfway point between the "hand-holding" of the GUI and the sometimes
> confusing world of the CLI.
IMO, beginners like the hand-holding. It's vital for Ubuntu not to get
confusing for the end-user. Getting them to run
Hi Everyone
This is my first post here.
It seems to me that me that if an administration job needs to get done
there are pretty much two ways of going about it:
With GUI assistance, i.e Synaptic
or
Through the Command line with possible manual editing of configuration
files.
Synaptic and it'
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