Re: RFC: alias tar=tar --backup ?

2007-05-20 Thread William Tracy
On 5/20/07, Jan Claeys [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://fuse.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/FileSystems Includes at least 3 versioned filesystems... Ooh, somebody's implementing ZFS over Fuse as well! http://www.wizy.org/wiki/ZFS_on_FUSE -- William Tracy [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: RFC: alias tar=tar --backup ?

2007-05-20 Thread Jan Claeys
Op vrijdag 18-05-2007 om 04:42 uur [tijdzone +], schreef William Tracy: Of course a completely different approach would be a file system capable of roll-back, and in doing that, a user may well benefit from the backup services such a solution offers. [...] Actually, I off and on

Re: RFC: alias tar=tar --backup ?

2007-05-18 Thread Forest Bond
On Fri, May 18, 2007 at 04:42:54AM +, William Tracy wrote: Actually, I off and on wonder if it would be possible to implement a filesystem over Subversion, and then just mount /home on that. I'm sure there's all kinds of gotchas with that idea, but it would be really cool. Really cool,

Re: RFC: alias tar=tar --backup ?

2007-05-18 Thread Matthew Paul Thomas
On May 18, 2007, at 10:51 AM, Onno Benschop wrote: ... What I see here is a classic example of an expectation mismatch. The new user expects the computer to almost honour their data, That's a variation on Raskin's First Law of Interaction: A computer shall not harm your work or, through

RFC: alias tar=tar --backup ?

2007-05-17 Thread Micah Cowan
A user, timothy, describing his difficulties at: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/113154 describes his frustration as a new user, in discovering the hard way that tar's default is to overwrite existing files, causing him to lose important data. While I'm opposed to fixing the problem in

Re: RFC: alias tar=tar --backup ?

2007-05-17 Thread Onno Benschop
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 18/05/07 06:18, Micah Cowan wrote: A user, timothy, describing his difficulties at: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/113154 describes his frustration as a new user, in discovering the hard way that tar's default is to overwrite existing

Re: RFC: alias tar=tar --backup ?

2007-05-17 Thread Jan Claeys
Op donderdag 17-05-2007 om 15:18 uur [tijdzone -0700], schreef Micah Cowan: A user, timothy, describing his difficulties at: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/113154 describes his frustration as a new user, in discovering the hard way that tar's default is to overwrite existing files,

Re: RFC: alias tar=tar --backup ?

2007-05-17 Thread Micah Cowan
Jan Claeys wrote: Op donderdag 17-05-2007 om 15:18 uur [tijdzone -0700], schreef Micah Cowan: A user, timothy, describing his difficulties at: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/113154 describes his frustration as a new user, in discovering the hard way that tar's default is to

Re: RFC: alias tar=tar --backup ?

2007-05-17 Thread Onno Benschop
On 18/05/07 08:25, Micah Cowan wrote: Jan Claeys wrote: Op donderdag 17-05-2007 om 15:18 uur [tijdzone -0700], schreef Micah Cowan: A user, timothy, describing his difficulties at: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/113154 describes his frustration as a new user, in

Re: RFC: alias tar=tar --backup ?

2007-05-17 Thread Micah Cowan
Onno Benschop wrote: On 18/05/07 06:18, Micah Cowan wrote: A user, timothy, describing his difficulties at: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/113154 describes his frustration as a new user, in discovering the hard way that tar's default is to overwrite existing files, causing him to

Re: RFC: alias tar=tar --backup ?

2007-05-17 Thread Soren Hansen
On Thu, May 17, 2007 at 06:03:18PM -0700, Micah Cowan wrote: A completely different approach could be that the calls that actually write to a file check that the file does not exist. You could activate this with a system-wide flag, but I strongly suspect that this would be more work than

Re: RFC: alias tar=tar --backup ?

2007-05-17 Thread Alex Jones
A new CLI version of file-roller would rock. We need more CLI-GUI code/concept/functionality sharing. Other candidates include gnome-system-monitor (vs. top) and nautilus (so you could browse DAV on the CLI, just like you do local file systems, for example). On Thu, 2007-05-17 at 15:18 -0700,

Re: RFC: alias tar=tar --backup ?

2007-05-17 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Thursday 17 May 2007 18:18, Micah Cowan wrote: A user, timothy, describing his difficulties at: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/113154 describes his frustration as a new user, in discovering the hard way that tar's default is to overwrite existing files, causing him to lose

Re: RFC: alias tar=tar --backup ?

2007-05-17 Thread Micah Cowan
Soren Hansen wrote: On Thu, May 17, 2007 at 06:03:18PM -0700, Micah Cowan wrote: A completely different approach could be that the calls that actually write to a file check that the file does not exist. You could activate this with a system-wide flag, but I strongly suspect that this would be

Re: RFC: alias tar=tar --backup ?

2007-05-17 Thread Micah Cowan
Scott Kitterman wrote: On Thursday 17 May 2007 18:18, Micah Cowan wrote: A user, timothy, describing his difficulties at: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/113154 describes his frustration as a new user, in discovering the hard way that tar's default is to overwrite existing files,

RFC: alias tar=tar --backup ?

2007-05-17 Thread William Tracy
Yes. Well, the user expects the computer to do what it is told, too, but doesn't realize that without flags like --backup or -k, he has implicitly told the computer to go ahead and write over anything it sees. Apparently tar -w gives you interactive mode. Unfortunately, when it finds an