Re: RFC: alias tar="tar --backup" ?

On 5/20/07, Jan Claeys <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Includes at least 3 versioned filesystems... Ooh, somebody's implementing ZFS over Fuse as well! http://www.wizy.org/wiki/ZFS_on_FUSE -- William Tracy [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- [EMAIL PROT

Re: RFC: alias tar="tar --backup" ?

Op vrijdag 18-05-2007 om 04:42 uur [tijdzone +], schreef William Tracy: > > > Of course a completely different approach would be a file system > > > capable of roll-back, and in doing that, a user may well benefit from > > > the backup services such a solution offers. [...] > Actually, I off an

Re: RFC: alias tar="tar --backup" ?

On May 18, 2007, at 10:51 AM, Onno Benschop wrote: ... What I see here is a classic example of an expectation mismatch. The new user expects the computer to almost "honour" their data, That's a variation on Raskin's First Law of Interaction: "A computer shall not harm your work or, through ina

Re: RFC: alias tar="tar --backup" ?

On Fri, May 18, 2007 at 04:42:54AM +, William Tracy wrote: > Actually, I off and on wonder if it would be possible to implement a > filesystem over Subversion, and then just mount /home on that. I'm > sure there's all kinds of gotchas with that idea, but it would be > really cool. Really cool,

RFC: alias tar="tar --backup" ?

> Yes. Well, the user expects the computer to do what it is told, too, but > doesn't realize that without flags like --backup or -k, he has > implicitly told the computer to go ahead and write over anything it sees. Apparently tar -w gives you interactive mode. Unfortunately, when it finds an exis

Re: RFC: alias tar="tar --backup" ?

Scott Kitterman wrote: > On Thursday 17 May 2007 18:18, Micah Cowan wrote: >> A user, timothy, describing his difficulties at: >> >> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/113154 >> >> describes his frustration as a new user, in discovering the hard way >> that tar's default is to overwrite existin

Re: RFC: alias tar="tar --backup" ?

Soren Hansen wrote: > On Thu, May 17, 2007 at 06:03:18PM -0700, Micah Cowan wrote: >>> A completely different approach could be that the calls that >>> actually write to a file check that the file does not exist. You >>> could activate this with a system-wide flag, but I strongly suspect >>> that t

Re: RFC: alias tar="tar --backup" ?

On Thursday 17 May 2007 18:18, Micah Cowan wrote: > A user, timothy, describing his difficulties at: > > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/113154 > > describes his frustration as a new user, in discovering the hard way > that tar's default is to overwrite existing files, causing him to lose >

Re: RFC: alias tar="tar --backup" ?

A new CLI version of file-roller would rock. We need more CLI-GUI code/concept/functionality sharing. Other candidates include gnome-system-monitor (vs. top) and nautilus (so you could browse DAV on the CLI, just like you do local file systems, for example). On Thu, 2007-05-17 at 15:18 -0700, Mica

Re: RFC: alias tar="tar --backup" ?

On Thu, May 17, 2007 at 06:03:18PM -0700, Micah Cowan wrote: > > A completely different approach could be that the calls that > > actually write to a file check that the file does not exist. You > > could activate this with a system-wide flag, but I strongly suspect > > that this would be more work

Re: RFC: alias tar="tar --backup" ?

On Thu, 2007-05-17 at 18:03 -0700, Micah Cowan wrote: > Onno Benschop wrote: > > From a usability perspective I would feel that you're changing expected > > behaviour for existing users. I also note that there are no active > > aliases in my current (Edgy) installation, and that the ones there are

Re: RFC: alias tar="tar --backup" ?

Onno Benschop wrote: > From a usability perspective I would feel that you're changing expected > behaviour for existing users. I also note that there are no active > aliases in my current (Edgy) installation, and that the ones there are > commented out. Absolutely. The choice, as I see it, is mino

Re: RFC: alias tar="tar --backup" ?

Onno Benschop wrote: > On 18/05/07 06:18, Micah Cowan wrote: >> A user, timothy, describing his difficulties at: > >> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/113154 > >> describes his frustration as a new user, in discovering the hard way >> that tar's default is to overwrite existing files, causi

Re: RFC: alias tar="tar --backup" ?

On 18/05/07 08:25, Micah Cowan wrote: > Jan Claeys wrote: > >> Op donderdag 17-05-2007 om 15:18 uur [tijdzone -0700], schreef Micah >> Cowan: >> >>> A user, timothy, describing his difficulties at: >>> >>> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/113154 >>> >>> describes his frustration as a

Re: RFC: alias tar="tar --backup" ?

Jan Claeys wrote: > Op donderdag 17-05-2007 om 15:18 uur [tijdzone -0700], schreef Micah > Cowan: >> A user, timothy, describing his difficulties at: >> >> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/113154 >> >> describes his frustration as a new user, in discovering the hard way >> that tar's default

Re: RFC: alias tar="tar --backup" ?

Op donderdag 17-05-2007 om 15:18 uur [tijdzone -0700], schreef Micah Cowan: > A user, timothy, describing his difficulties at: > > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/113154 > > describes his frustration as a new user, in discovering the hard way > that tar's default is to overwrite existing f

Re: RFC: alias tar="tar --backup" ?

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 18/05/07 06:18, Micah Cowan wrote: > A user, timothy, describing his difficulties at: > > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/113154 > > describes his frustration as a new user, in discovering the hard way > that tar's default is to overwrite exi

RFC: alias tar="tar --backup" ?

A user, timothy, describing his difficulties at: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/113154 describes his frustration as a new user, in discovering the hard way that tar's default is to overwrite existing files, causing him to lose important data. While I'm opposed to fixing the problem in ta