Re: the right to make a difference

2016-06-06 Thread Xen
Sam Bull schreef op 06-06-2016 17:02: Sam Bull schreef op 06-06-2016 17:02: As the patches substantially change the original code base, it is very likely to be considered a derivative, without needing to take into account all these other more complex factors. Of course, thank you, thanks clea

Re: the right to make a difference

2016-06-06 Thread Sam Bull
On Mon, 2016-06-06 at 12:58 +0200, Xen wrote: > Because of that it will be judged according to cases such as: > - game genie vs nintendo > - artic vs midway > - formgen vs micro star So, firstly, the GPL is a copyright licence, so the conversation has always been about copyright law. The only thin

Re: the right to make a difference

2016-06-06 Thread Xen
rk is full rights reserved by default, if you have not seen a license or anything to suggest you have more rights, then why do you suddenly think you have all the rights to someone else's work? Whoever ever said I thought I had all the rights? This case was only about modification of it an

Re: the right to make a difference

2016-06-03 Thread Sam Bull
On Thu, 2016-06-02 at 20:39 +0200, Xen wrote: > > This exactly has happened many times. If you take a proprietary > > piece > > of software, make changes and resell it (breaking the license > > agreement > > you received it under), then the original authors are perfectly in > > their rights to take

Re: the right to make a difference

2016-06-02 Thread Xen
Sam Bull schreef op 02-06-2016 16:33: On Thu, 2016-06-02 at 14:35 +0200, Xen wrote: The intention of the GPL is not really relevant. What happens is that the authors remain to have a say about how the  product is used, if copyright is at play (at least the idea of  copyright). Yes, and the au

Re: the right to make a difference

2016-06-02 Thread Neal McBurnett
Thank you Sam for yet again wading thru all of these misconceptions about the GPL and copyright licenses. It really is very clear. The GPL allows people to modify the software ONLY if they agree to the conditions of the license, just like any other copyright holder does when they LICENSE softw

Re: the right to make a difference

2016-06-02 Thread Sam Bull
On Thu, 2016-06-02 at 14:35 +0200, Xen wrote: > The intention of the GPL is not really relevant. > > What happens is that the authors remain to have a say about how the  > product is used, if copyright is at play (at least the idea of  > copyright). Yes, and the authors stated they require you to

Re: the right to make a difference

2016-06-02 Thread Xen
Sam Bull schreef op 02-06-2016 13:36: On Thu, 2016-06-02 at 12:31 +0200, Xen wrote: > So I think the unfairness is very much there now. Spengler is now > actually getting something for nothing, where before he was not, > and > the whole intention of many of the contributors to linux has been > s

Re: the right to make a difference

2016-06-02 Thread Sam Bull
On Thu, 2016-06-02 at 12:31 +0200, Xen wrote: > > So I think the unfairness is very much there now. Spengler is now > > actually getting something for nothing, where before he was not, > > and > > the whole intention of many of the contributors to linux has been > > subverted. > Untrue. There was n

Re: the right to make a difference

2016-06-02 Thread Xen
concernedfoss...@teknik.io schreef op 01-06-2016 23:57: To my knowledge, the intention of most of those who license their work out under the GPL is essentially to recieve a different form of payment: Maybe that is a subverted reason now. I don't think that was so in the past. This is a rather

Re: the right to make a difference

2016-06-01 Thread concernedfossdev
To my knowledge, the intention of most of those who license their work out under the GPL is essentially to recieve a different form of payment: Rather than demanding a monetary reward upfront, the hope, and the license is the written vehicle for the possible fulfillment of that hope, is that the

the right to make a difference

2016-06-01 Thread Xen
plain why someone would need to do the suing and for what reason. I want to add in conclusion. That it should be. About. The right. To make a difference. It should be about the right to make a difference. The most important right is the right to make a difference ;-). Regards, and ku