Re: [ubuntu-marketing] success brings responsibility

2010-08-16 Thread Martin Owens
On Mon, 2010-08-16 at 19:07 -0300, Lisandro Vaccaro wrote: > > However Ubuntu doesn't even have a clear mission, I mean "a OS for > everybody in any language" sounds great but it's totally flawed, first > because it's not a lot more accessible than any other OS and second > because the other OS ar

Re: [ubuntu-marketing] success brings responsibility

2010-08-16 Thread Martin Owens
On Mon, 2010-08-16 at 20:06 +0200, Jo-Erlend Schinstad wrote: > > Yes, but we are still talking about marketing, aren't we? Humans are > social animals, yes. That's why Ubuntu has Facebook, Twitter and > integration with peoples favorite IM built right into it. That's what > most people care about

[ubuntu-marketing] success brings responsibility

2010-08-16 Thread Lisandro Vaccaro
This kind of debates can go on forever. Unless we finally decide what are our sentiments regarding this kind of issues we'll never move forward than being a place to toss out ideas. And believe it or not there isn't a Canonical team ready to work on these ideas and nobody except ourselves will do

Re: [ubuntu-marketing] success brings responsibility

2010-08-16 Thread Lisandro Vaccaro
This kind of debates can go on forever. Unless we finally decide what are our sentiments regarding this kind of issues we'll never move forward than being a place to toss out ideas. And believe it or not there isn't a Canonical team ready to work on this ideas, there'll never be one, for a lot of

Re: [ubuntu-marketing] success brings responsibility

2010-08-16 Thread Jo-Erlend Schinstad
On 16 August 2010 16:37, Martin Owens wrote: > On Mon, 2010-08-16 at 16:01 +0200, Jo-Erlend Schinstad wrote: >> Yes, but I think it's easier to sell instant gratification than it is >> to sell the long term benefits of altruism. > > Humanism isn't a long term consideration, it's just how we're bui

Re: [ubuntu-marketing] success brings responsibility

2010-08-16 Thread Martin Owens
On Mon, 2010-08-16 at 16:01 +0200, Jo-Erlend Schinstad wrote: > Yes, but I think it's easier to sell instant gratification than it is > to sell the long term benefits of altruism. Humanism isn't a long term consideration, it's just how we're built to work. Humans are social animals and there are m

Re: [ubuntu-marketing] success brings responsibility

2010-08-16 Thread Jo-Erlend Schinstad
On 16 August 2010 09:40, Martin Owens wrote: > Or just "What is this?", I'm a lefty so I don't personally subscribe to > the notion that a human beings default position is selfish personal > gratification. Yes, but I think it's easier to sell instant gratification than it is to sell the long ter

Re: [ubuntu-marketing] success brings responsibility

2010-08-16 Thread Martin Owens
On Mon, 2010-08-16 at 09:21 +0200, Jo-Erlend Schinstad wrote: > Our marketing should not be about giving thanks to all the great > contributors and distributors of free software. Is should be about > answering the one question that matters: "What's in it for me?" Or just "What is this?", I'm a le

Re: [ubuntu-marketing] success brings responsibility

2010-08-16 Thread Jo-Erlend Schinstad
On 15 August 2010 19:11, shankara wrote: [snip] > All different Linux distributions are part of a same ecosystem and we > need to stress on that in our marketing exercise. Success of ubuntu is > the success of GnU/linux as a whole. [snip] And vice versa. Obsiously, Ubuntu wouldn't be what it i

Re: [ubuntu-marketing] success brings responsibility

2010-08-15 Thread Martin Owens
On Sun, 2010-08-15 at 22:41 +0530, shankara wrote: > All different Linux distributions are part of a same ecosystem and we > need to stress on that in our marketing exercise. Success of ubuntu is > the success of GnU/linux as a whole. I agree but with more. It's the success of Free and Open Sourc

[ubuntu-marketing] success brings responsibility

2010-08-15 Thread shankara
Dear friends. Ubuntu is flying high and this success fueling our ambitions and users expectations. Our ubuntu team is working well in maintaining high standards. We, being a marketing team, will be interacting with 'others' and shape initial opinion of 'others' about 'ubuntu'. We are doing a good j