Re: How to not collaborate with Debian (and upstream)

2008-08-28 Thread Saïvann
These email conversations don't sound cooperative or constructive. Are we loosing ubuntu spirit? People might disagree, but why not use cooperative discussions instead of defensive argumentation? Ubuntu is all about cooperation. Mistakes can be fixed, problems can be discussed! From ubuntu dev.

Re: How to not collaborate with Debian (and upstream)

2008-08-28 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
Hi, First, Some background on Ruby/rubygems and Debian: In the past (before sarge), the controversial decision to split the ruby stdlib into several different packages was taken. This made the installation of non-packaged ruby apps very hard, and was very unpopular in the Ruby community. This

please don't make changes to libgems-ruby for the moment (was Re: How to not collaborate with Debian (and upstream))

2008-08-28 Thread Stefan Potyra
Hi, On Thursday 28 August 2008 02:33:52 Scott Kitterman wrote: [..] I've filed Bug #262063. One clear solution would be to simply revert this change. [..] just to make it clear: motu-release is currently considering to revert this upload, so please don't touch libgems-ruby until we came to

Re: How to not collaborate with Debian (and upstream)

2008-08-28 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Thursday 28 August 2008 16:43, Mathias Gug wrote: Hi, On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 10:14:06AM +0200, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: Besides the minor packaging strangeness in Neil's version (change of packaging system, use of a git snapshot without saying it, copyright problems, etc), Agreed.

How to not collaborate with Debian (and upstream)

2008-08-27 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
* If the Debian package uses a patch system, change the patch system. You get bonus points if you switch from dpatch to anything else, and rename all the patches during the process, since this increases the diff size significantly. * Upstream doesn't release often enough? And marking an svn

Re: How to not collaborate with Debian (and upstream)

2008-08-27 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 02:02:05 +0200 Lucas Nussbaum [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... And I'll add not particularly distinguish yourself with your fellow Ubuntu developers. This particular change was also the subject of some considerable discussion on Ubuntu mailing lists (IIRC ubuntu-server and

Re: How to not collaborate with Debian (and upstream)

2008-08-27 Thread Emmet Hikory
Scott Kitterman wrote: ... Gems, as has been the subject of recent discussion on Ubuntu ML about why this was NOT a good idea, pretty thoroughly ignore the entire package management systems. Putting them in the path so random versions not installed by the package management system get

Re: How to not collaborate with Debian (and upstream)

2008-08-27 Thread Michael Casadevall
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I added comments to the Launchpad bug explaining the FHS violation the modification causes, and why its a problem is greater detail. I generally think that something which is this invasive should have been talked about on ubuntu-devel recently before

Re: How to not collaborate with Debian (and upstream)

2008-08-27 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Wednesday 27 August 2008 21:41, Steve Langasek wrote: That said, having had the details brought to our attention, I do share many of your concerns about the contents of this upload. I gather from other comments Mathiaz made today on IRC that there was some pressure to get at least a

Re: How to not collaborate with Debian (and upstream)

2008-08-27 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Wednesday 27 August 2008 21:41, Steve Langasek wrote: That said, having had the details brought to our attention, I do share many of your concerns about the contents of this upload. I gather from other comments Mathiaz made today on IRC that there was some pressure to get at least a

Re: How to not collaborate with Debian (and upstream)

2008-08-27 Thread Michael Casadevall
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 +1 on reverting this upload until a consensus among -motu and -devel can be reached. Michael -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: http://getfiregpg.org

Re: How to not collaborate with Debian (and upstream)

2008-08-27 Thread Justin Dugger
On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 10:22 PM, Michael Casadevall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: +1 on reverting this upload until a consensus among -motu and -devel can be reached. Even putting aside the rookie packaging errors, there appears to be a serious technical problem here (and a bit of pathology from

Re: How to not collaborate with Debian (and upstream)

2008-08-27 Thread Michael Casadevall
Yes, I agree, we need to work with Debian to find the proper resolution. We need someone who knows Ruby, and knows the issues to be a liaison between the two groups. That being said, the current patch in the archive is potentially dangerous and is the wrong way to do things, and thus should be

Re: How to not collaborate with Debian (and upstream)

2008-08-27 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Thursday 28 August 2008 00:04, Justin Dugger wrote: On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 10:22 PM, Michael Casadevall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: +1 on reverting this upload until a consensus among -motu and -devel can be reached. Even putting aside the rookie packaging errors, there appears to be a