Re: Naming problem for the Falcon Programming Language in Ubuntu.

2008-01-18 Thread Giancarlo Niccolai
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Emmet Hikory wrote: On Jan 19, 2008 4:35 AM, Giancarlo Niccolai wrote: What I am going to do, and for what I ask for confirmation: - I am going to repack as falconpl, set conflict with

Re: Naming problem for the Falcon Programming Language in Ubuntu.

2008-01-18 Thread Giancarlo Niccolai
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I see the conversation has stopped, so I would think that some silence-agreement point has been reached. I would like to write here what I am going to do with the package and ask for general agreement on the topic, but before, let me add an

Re: [Fwd: Naming problem for the Falcon Programming Language in Ubuntu.]

2008-01-14 Thread Stephan Hermann
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Re: [Fwd: Naming problem for the Falcon Programming Language in Ubuntu.]

2008-01-14 Thread Stephan Hermann
Hi, On Mo, 2008-01-14 at 11:01 +0100, Giancarlo Niccolai wrote: Stephan Hermann wrote: Good Morning, I don't see any intervention of the motu-council here. You are talking about two different upstream projects, snip And I think this is your problem right now. Not a technical or

Re: [Fwd: Naming problem for the Falcon Programming Language in Ubuntu.]

2008-01-14 Thread Giancarlo Niccolai
Stephan Hermann wrote: Well, when you respect the ubuntu users or your users in general (ubuntu is not that special) then you would solve the problem by yourself. e.G. you rename all your binaries and libs from falcon to falconpl (this is just an example of a simple solution ! ) and then you

Re: Naming problem for the Falcon Programming Language in Ubuntu.

2008-01-14 Thread Morten Kjeldgaard
Scott Kitterman wrote: My suggestion is to call your package falconpl as you've said you would and then conflict against falcon. After that, we can let the market decide. If one of these packages gets popular enough to cause the other difficulty with the conflicts, then the less popular

Re: Naming problem for the Falcon Programming Language in Ubuntu.

2008-01-14 Thread Emmet Hikory
On Jan 14 January 2008 11:31 AM, Giancarlo Niccolai wrote: Up to date, several MOTUs have checked and reported there is no current namespace clash. I am also willing to call my package falconpl, which is also the name of the site: On Jan 14, 2008 1:42 PM, Scott Kitterman wrote: My suggestion

Re: [Fwd: Naming problem for the Falcon Programming Language in Ubuntu.]

2008-01-14 Thread Soren Hansen
On Mon, Jan 14, 2008 at 11:52:43AM +0100, Stephan Hermann wrote: That's why I always tell upstream authors to never package their own software, because they are not objective. I think this is silly. The more familiar the maintainer is with upstream the better, IMO. They need to realise that

Re: Naming problem for the Falcon Programming Language in Ubuntu.

2008-01-14 Thread Giancarlo Niccolai
Morten Kjeldgaard wrote: Scott Kitterman wrote: My suggestion is to call your package falconpl as you've said you would and then conflict against falcon. After that, we can let the market decide. If one of these packages gets popular enough to cause the other difficulty with the

Re: Naming problem for the Falcon Programming Language in Ubuntu.

2008-01-14 Thread Daniel Holbach
On Mo, 2008-01-14 at 14:39 +0100, Soren Hansen wrote: IMO, the programming language should allowed to be /usr/bin/falcon. Changing the name of the interpreter will mean that any program that is supposed to be interpreted by falcon will need to be patched. OTOH, renaming the binary in Dennis'

Re: Naming problem for the Falcon Programming Language in Ubuntu.

2008-01-14 Thread Stephan Hermann
On Mo, 2008-01-14 at 14:39 +0100, Soren Hansen wrote: On Mon, Jan 14, 2008 at 10:15:41PM +0900, Emmet Hikory wrote: I don't have a strong opinion about which is the right falcon, but such a Conflicts: would be wrong. Section 10.1 of the Debian Policy Manual (1) clearly states, in part:

Re: Naming problem for the Falcon Programming Language in Ubuntu.

2008-01-14 Thread Soren Hansen
On Mon, Jan 14, 2008 at 05:17:49PM +0100, Stephan Hermann wrote: IMO, the programming language should allowed to be /usr/bin/falcon. Changing the name of the interpreter will mean that any program that is supposed to be interpreted by falcon will need to be patched. OTOH, renaming the

Re: [Fwd: Naming problem for the Falcon Programming Language in Ubuntu.]

2008-01-14 Thread Soren Hansen
On Mon, Jan 14, 2008 at 05:12:15PM +0100, Stephan Hermann wrote: That's why I always tell upstream authors to never package their own software, because they are not objective. I think this is silly. The more familiar the maintainer is with upstream the better, IMO. They need to realise that

Naming problem for the Falcon Programming Language in Ubuntu.

2008-01-13 Thread Giancarlo Niccolai
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello; I'd like to report a problem that is concerning the naming of two packages that are being concurrently racing for inclusion in the very next version of Ubuntu. I would argue that the way MOTU have managed the whole situation is questionable

Re: Naming problem for the Falcon Programming Language in Ubuntu.

2008-01-13 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Sunday 13 January 2008 21:31, Giancarlo Niccolai wrote: ... Up to date, several MOTUs have checked and reported there is no current namespace clash. I am also willing to call my package falconpl, which is also the name of the site: ... gen 13 23:22:50 ScottKjonnymind: My concern right