Re: [Ubuntu-phone] [PROPOSAL] No (click) apps on images by default

2014-03-13 Thread Oliver Grawert
hi, Am Mittwoch, den 12.03.2014, 23:05 + schrieb Colin Watson: > On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 06:30:04PM -0300, Ricardo Salveti de Araujo wrote: > > On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 5:20 PM, Sergio Schvezov > > wrote: > > > So instead of 'uninstalling/unregistering' them from the default > > > image; it wou

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] [PROPOSAL] No (click) apps on images by default

2014-03-13 Thread Colin Watson
On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 11:05:25PM +, Colin Watson wrote: > click unregister --root=/custom --all-users PACKAGE-NAME This should be --root=/custom/click, not --root=/custom, to match how the database is declared. I've fixed the documentation in click accordingly. Sorry for that typo. --

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] [PROPOSAL] No (click) apps on images by default

2014-03-13 Thread Oliver Grawert
hi, Am Donnerstag, den 13.03.2014, 11:12 +0100 schrieb Manuel de la Pena: > > This one is temporary: > - update manager > > I might be wrong, but I though that the update manager was already > added to the system settings as part of the sytem image updates... > Does an

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] [PROPOSAL] No (click) apps on images by default

2014-03-13 Thread Colin Watson
On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 09:39:30PM -0300, Ricardo Salveti de Araujo wrote: > Thanks a lot for the detailed explanation, really useful (which brings > a question if this is documented already somewhere). It wasn't, but I've pushed a lightly-edited version of my brain-dump here: https://click.rea

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] [PROPOSAL] No (click) apps on images by default

2014-03-13 Thread Manuel de la Pena
On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 10:25 PM, Sergio Schvezov < sergio.schve...@canonical.com> wrote: > On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 5:09 PM, Rodney Dawes > wrote: > > On Wed, 2014-03-12 at 15:37 -0300, Sergio Schvezov wrote: > >> - this opens the possibility of having a better set for phone and > >> tablet (diff

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] [PROPOSAL] No (click) apps on images by default

2014-03-12 Thread Ricardo Salveti de Araujo
On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 6:36 PM, Alex Chiang wrote: > On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 2:30 PM, Ricardo Salveti de Araujo > wrote: > - the new common rootfs should have no click apps per default > - the rootfs we know today would be a special case of customization Can you expand on this?

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] [PROPOSAL] No (click) apps on images by default

2014-03-12 Thread Ricardo Salveti de Araujo
On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 8:05 PM, Colin Watson wrote: > On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 06:30:04PM -0300, Ricardo Salveti de Araujo wrote: >> On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 5:20 PM, Sergio Schvezov >> wrote: >> > So instead of 'uninstalling/unregistering' them from the default >> > image; it would just not be in

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] [PROPOSAL] No (click) apps on images by default

2014-03-12 Thread Colin Watson
On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 06:30:04PM -0300, Ricardo Salveti de Araujo wrote: > On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 5:20 PM, Sergio Schvezov > wrote: > > So instead of 'uninstalling/unregistering' them from the default > > image; it would just not be installed. > > > > cjwatson mention that this is really not ne

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] [PROPOSAL] No (click) apps on images by default

2014-03-12 Thread Ricardo Salveti de Araujo
On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 5:20 PM, Sergio Schvezov wrote: > On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 4:53 PM, Alex Chiang wrote: >> I am not against this plan, but I do have a question. >> >> On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 11:37 AM, Sergio Schvezov >> wrote: >>> >>> - the new common rootfs should have no click apps per d

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] [PROPOSAL] No (click) apps on images by default

2014-03-12 Thread Chris Wayne
It also solves the problem of an OEM/Carrier not wanting to ship with any specific apps (i.e. terminal) On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 3:53 PM, Alex Chiang wrote: > I am not against this plan, but I do have a question. > > On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 11:37 AM, Sergio Schvezov > wrote: > > > > - the new c

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] [PROPOSAL] No (click) apps on images by default

2014-03-12 Thread Sergio Schvezov
On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 5:09 PM, Rodney Dawes wrote: > On Wed, 2014-03-12 at 15:37 -0300, Sergio Schvezov wrote: >> - this opens the possibility of having a better set for phone and >> tablet (different customizations, preinstalled apps that is). > > Are the apps where this actually matters curren

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] [PROPOSAL] No (click) apps on images by default

2014-03-12 Thread Alex Chiang
On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 2:30 PM, Ricardo Salveti de Araujo wrote: > > Not wanting a terminal by default is what started this conversation :-) > > We could only install by default what we think that should be > mandatory, and provide the rest as part of a default custom tarball. > That way we can p

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] [PROPOSAL] No (click) apps on images by default

2014-03-12 Thread Sergio Schvezov
On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 4:53 PM, Alex Chiang wrote: > I am not against this plan, but I do have a question. > > On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 11:37 AM, Sergio Schvezov > wrote: >> >> - the new common rootfs should have no click apps per default >> - the rootfs we know today would be a special case of c

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] [PROPOSAL] No (click) apps on images by default

2014-03-12 Thread Rodney Dawes
On Wed, 2014-03-12 at 15:37 -0300, Sergio Schvezov wrote: > - this opens the possibility of having a better set for phone and > tablet (different customizations, preinstalled apps that is). Are the apps where this actually matters currently, even packaged as clicks? It doesn't seem like they are.

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] [PROPOSAL] No (click) apps on images by default

2014-03-12 Thread Alex Chiang
I am not against this plan, but I do have a question. On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 11:37 AM, Sergio Schvezov wrote: > > - the new common rootfs should have no click apps per default > - the rootfs we know today would be a special case of customization Can you expand on this? Does this mean we would d

[Ubuntu-phone] [PROPOSAL] No (click) apps on images by default

2014-03-12 Thread Sergio Schvezov
cwayne brought up an interesting question on #ubuntu-touch today on how to provide custom images _without_ specific packages. This follows the story of common rootfs for everything. After a quick discussion with rsalveti, ogra, cwayne and pmcgowan (which could be a red flag :-P), we came to some s